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# The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may

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17 Jul 2017, 10:32
The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

- Usage of "they" is not clear here, we do not know if "they" is referring to Pub. Universities, Students or Groups
- Also, "will be" is incorrect tense here as the supreme court's order has already been passed

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

- "they" here is referring to "student activity fees" which makes it ill logical to say, "student activity fees" have objections

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

- "they" here is referring to "student activity fees" which makes it ill logical to say, "student activity fees" have objections
- "have to be" is redundent

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

- CORRECT
- Even from students who object - more idiomatic
- Are is uses the correct tense

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

- have an objection is wordy for object

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23 Jul 2017, 10:23
The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

--> 'they' dont have clear antecedent , will be --> would be (past + conditional)

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

--> 'they' dont have clear antecedent , "and" must follow "that" to introduce parallelism , change in meaning as both clauses are at same level where as clause 2 must be contion for application of clause 1

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

--> 'they' dont have clear antecedent

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

Correct

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

Experts : Pls help me understand following .

1. what else is wrong in option c ?
2. Past + present like in option D ok ?
3. what is wrong in option E
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01 Aug 2017, 06:14
I chose E.

I don't know how D is better than E. Isn't "the groups given money are" in D, a little weird?
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14 Sep 2017, 13:17
Eliminated "A', "B", and "C" as 'they is an incorrect referent used in the sentence.
Confused between "D" and "E".

D. is the correct choice - In the sentence, from students who object is clear and idiomatic; so long as is used appropriately; groups given money eliminates the problem of a pronoun without a referent; are is the proper tense.

E. - eliminate - The verb 'be' does not complete the latter part of the sentence
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14 Sep 2017, 15:23
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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

Experts : Pls help me understand following .

1. what else is wrong in option c ?
2. Past + present like in option D ok ?
3. what is wrong in option E

Hello rishabhdxt,

1. Choice C is of course incorrect because there is no antecedent for the plural pronoun they. There is another error in this choice.

The original sentence presents a condition for collecting the fees. The condition is that the universities' decision to grant money to a particular group will not be influenced by the views of the group. This condition is evident by the usage of the phrase so long as. But there is no indicator in Choice C after but that presents this condition.

2. All the verbs in Choice D are in present tense. Please note that given is the verb-ed modifier that modifies the preceding noun groups.

3. Choice E is incorrect for two reasons:

i. Like Choice C, this choice also fails to present the condition exclusively.

ii. Use of Subjunctive verb be chosen is incorrect because there is no trigger verb in the choice that requires use of subjunctive verb.

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14 Sep 2017, 15:26
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I chose E.

I don't know how D is better than E. Isn't "the groups given money are" in D, a little weird?

Hello rekhabishop,

You can go through my response to rishabhdxt to know what are the errors in Choice E.

Use of the phrase the groups given money are chosen is correct. Basically this phrase is the abbreviated structure of the groups that are given money are chosen.... I am sure now the expression read better to you.

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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be
(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are
(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be
(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are
(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

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look at choice a
"so long as" is time adverb, so, the tense in this clause will be in present time though it refers to future. this is very basic point of grammar.
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there is no future time in time clause, when..., as long as,
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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be
- "students' objections" = incorrect. "objections" cannot be "possessed" by students.

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are
- "they" = pronoun error. what does it refer to? also, "if" sets up a "if...then" and none of that is going on here.

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be
- same "if" error discussed in "B". "groups that the money is given to..." is long/awkward/wordy, especially compared to "groups that are given money"

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are
- correct as is. "so long as" = correct idiom. written concisely.

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be
- "be + verb" sets up a demand. this is too extreme. also, "students have an objection to" = awkward and wordy compared to "students who object"...

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Updated on: 24 Sep 2017, 04:04
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Do experts agree on incorrect usage of - with - in option (A) ?
Even with students' objections turns out to be noun phrase when compared
with students who object , the later being more formal in conveying the purpose.

Originally posted by adkikani on 23 Sep 2017, 03:34.
Last edited by adkikani on 24 Sep 2017, 04:04, edited 1 time in total.
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Do experts agree on incorrect usage of - with - in option (A) ?
Even with students' objections turns out to be noun phrase when compared
with verb phrase - students who object , the later being more formal in conveying the purpose.
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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be
(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are
(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be
(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are
(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

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Option A/B/C-using they without any noun mentioned earlier
E-Wordy
Left up with only option D
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Do experts agree on incorrect usage of - with - in option (A) ?
Even with students' objections turns out to be noun phrase when compared
with verb phrase - students who object , the later being more formal in conveying the purpose.

Thank you for the PM.

The original sentence states that public universities may collect student activity fees. Hence, it is obvious that students are supposed to pay the fee.

IMHO, the way the original sentence is worded, there is no grammatical issue with even with students' objections to particular activities because with objection, we cannot use any other preposition.

Yes indeed, the expression even from students who object to particular activities is far superior to above-mentioned expression in Choice A because this expression very clearly presents the intended meaning of the sentence.

Hope this helps.
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