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Hi Sayantan , Can you please explain what is wrong with Option A.?
I dont find anything wrong in this choice.
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3 errors in A:
1. The pronoun "they" does not have an antecedent.
2. "will be" is not correct - A future tense cannot occur within a statement in past (I said that I will go.. wrong; I said that I WOULD go... correct)
3. The fees are not with students' objections... awkward.

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please tell me If anything wrong in my analysis of the meaning here
meaning
The Supreme Court has ruled that
public universities may collect fees ,
so long as(provided that) the groups will be chosen without regard to their (universities )views[/i].


Meaning is Ok. Just a grammatical error: "will be" should be "are".

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Collect X from Y is the correct idiom. As such, the correct answer is D.

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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

- Usage of "they" is not clear here, we do not know if "they" is referring to Pub. Universities, Students or Groups
- Also, "will be" is incorrect tense here as the supreme court's order has already been passed


(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

- "they" here is referring to "student activity fees" which makes it ill logical to say, "student activity fees" have objections

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

- "they" here is referring to "student activity fees" which makes it ill logical to say, "student activity fees" have objections
- "have to be" is redundent

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

- CORRECT
- Even from students who object - more idiomatic
- Are is uses the correct tense


(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

- have an objection is wordy for object

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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

--> 'they' dont have clear antecedent , will be --> would be (past + conditional)

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

--> 'they' dont have clear antecedent , "and" must follow "that" to introduce parallelism , change in meaning as both clauses are at same level where as clause 2 must be contion for application of clause 1

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

--> 'they' dont have clear antecedent

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

Correct

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be


Experts : Pls help me understand following .

1. what else is wrong in option c ?
2. Past + present like in option D ok ?
3. what is wrong in option E

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I chose E.

I don't know how D is better than E. Isn't "the groups given money are" in D, a little weird?
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Eliminated "A', "B", and "C" as 'they is an incorrect referent used in the sentence.
Confused between "D" and "E".

D. is the correct choice - In the sentence, from students who object is clear and idiomatic; so long as is used appropriately; groups given money eliminates the problem of a pronoun without a referent; are is the proper tense.

E. - eliminate - The verb 'be' does not complete the latter part of the sentence
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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be


Experts : Pls help me understand following .

1. what else is wrong in option c ?
2. Past + present like in option D ok ?
3. what is wrong in option E



Hello rishabhdxt,

I will be glad to help you with this one. :-)

1. Choice C is of course incorrect because there is no antecedent for the plural pronoun they. There is another error in this choice.

The original sentence presents a condition for collecting the fees. The condition is that the universities' decision to grant money to a particular group will not be influenced by the views of the group. This condition is evident by the usage of the phrase so long as. But there is no indicator in Choice C after but that presents this condition.


2. All the verbs in Choice D are in present tense. Please note that given is the verb-ed modifier that modifies the preceding noun groups.


3. Choice E is incorrect for two reasons:

i. Like Choice C, this choice also fails to present the condition exclusively.

ii. Use of Subjunctive verb be chosen is incorrect because there is no trigger verb in the choice that requires use of subjunctive verb.



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I chose E.

I don't know how D is better than E. Isn't "the groups given money are" in D, a little weird?




Hello rekhabishop,

You can go through my response to rishabhdxt to know what are the errors in Choice E.


Use of the phrase the groups given money are chosen is correct. Basically this phrase is the abbreviated structure of the groups that are given money are chosen.... I am sure now the expression read better to you.


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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be
(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are
(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be
(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are
(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

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look at choice a
"so long as" is time adverb, so, the tense in this clause will be in present time though it refers to future. this is very basic point of grammar.
I will learn gmat when i am in us.
there is no future time in time clause, when..., as long as,

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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be
- "students' objections" = incorrect. "objections" cannot be "possessed" by students.

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are
- "they" = pronoun error. what does it refer to? also, "if" sets up a "if...then" and none of that is going on here.

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be
- same "if" error discussed in "B". "groups that the money is given to..." is long/awkward/wordy, especially compared to "groups that are given money"

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are
- correct as is. "so long as" = correct idiom. written concisely.

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be
- "be + verb" sets up a demand. this is too extreme. also, "students have an objection to" = awkward and wordy compared to "students who object"...

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Do experts agree on incorrect usage of - with - in option (A) ?
Even with students' objections turns out to be noun phrase when compared
with students who object , the later being more formal in conveying the purpose.

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Do experts agree on incorrect usage of - with - in option (A) ?
Even with students' objections turns out to be noun phrase when compared
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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be
(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are
(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be
(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are
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Do experts agree on incorrect usage of - with - in option (A) ?
Even with students' objections turns out to be noun phrase when compared
with verb phrase - students who object , the later being more formal in conveying the purpose.




Hello Arpit adkikani,

Thank you for the PM. :-)

The original sentence states that public universities may collect student activity fees. Hence, it is obvious that students are supposed to pay the fee.

IMHO, the way the original sentence is worded, there is no grammatical issue with even with students' objections to particular activities because with objection, we cannot use any other preposition.

Yes indeed, the expression even from students who object to particular activities is far superior to above-mentioned expression in Choice A because this expression very clearly presents the intended meaning of the sentence.


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