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The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels.

A) with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels
B) with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
C) ultimately with the goal to reduce expressions of overall dissatisfaction by the guests with the hotel service
D) in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
E) with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service


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A - is wordy and awkward. Hotels' service is much more elegant than "with the service in the hotels"

B - this was a close section but the placement of ultimately changes the meaning

C - very awkward and wordy

D - Awkward. Also potential error with , before the clause

E - looks good hold it
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The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels.

A) with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels

B) with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service

C) ultimately with the goal to reduce expressions of overall dissatisfaction by the guests with the hotel service

D) in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service

E) with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
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I wish to understand what's wrong in option B compared to E.

(B) The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service

(E) The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service


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I think the former makes more sense because "to" has an intention connotation that is lacking in "for verb-ing". Or, is there a problem with "ultimate" in the above sentence?

"who express" is, of course, much cleaner than "who end up expressing"


The goal is not to ultimately reduce the numbers. It would be better if the commission could reduce the numbers now than if it reduces "ultimately". However the goal itself is ultimate (i.e. the final goal). Therefore placement of ultimately is wrong in option B.


Hi Sayantank,
I am in my final stages of preparation and this question has really demotivated me.

As per Magoosh, preposition noun participle ( with the ultimate goal of reducing) is an awkward construction. GMAT does not like so much action together. So I eliminated a and e.
Also, as per the idiom list in Manhattan SC : " the goal is to expand the company" - we prefer to + base form.

Using both the concepts I eliminated e and chose b.

I am not sure if there is an option to tag Magoosh so that they can clarify. Cz they have used this concept many times to eliminate answers.

It would be really helpful if you could provide your comments in resolving my query.

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I wish to understand what's wrong in option B compared to E.

(B) The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service

(E) The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service


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Scientists have solved many puzzles of nature, with the goal of understanding the earth better

I think the former makes more sense because "to" has an intention connotation that is lacking in "for verb-ing". Or, is there a problem with "ultimate" in the above sentence?

"who express" is, of course, much cleaner than "who end up expressing"


Main difference between Option B & E is the use and placement of Adjective and Adverb and meaning...

(B) The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
- ULTIMATELY, adverb, here means FINALLY and it is modifying REDUCE, but the original intention is different i.e. GOAL needs to be ULTIMATE. Correct meaning is conveyed in option E.
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'The guests that ends up' is an easy SV error to spot and eliminate. D is gone. The idea is not to reduce either guests or their expressions. The idea is to reduce the number of complainants. Therefore, A and C are gone. Between B and E; B has a problem of split infinitive in 'to ultimately reduce', and a problem of superfluity or redundancy in saying ' who end up expressing dissatisfaction. 'Who express' is more direct and dynamic.

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The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels.

A) with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels - Illogical – the guests themselves can’t be reduced
B) with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service – ultimately reduce is incorrect rather ultimate should modify the goal
C) ultimately with the goal to reduce expressions of overall dissatisfaction by the guests with the hotel service – awkward – the goal is to reduce the number of dissatisfaction
D) in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service – that can refer to guests ; Subject verb agreement issue
E) with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service – Correct

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Hi Sayantank,
I am in my final stages of preparation and this question has really demotivated me.

As per Magoosh, preposition noun participle ( with the ultimate goal of reducing) is an awkward construction. GMAT does not like so much action together. So I eliminated a and e.
Also, as per the idiom list in Manhattan SC : " the goal is to expand the company" - we prefer to + base form.

Using both the concepts I eliminated e and chose b.

I am not sure if there is an option to tag Magoosh so that they can clarify. Cz they have used this concept many times to eliminate answers.

It would be really helpful if you could provide your comments in resolving my query.



Hi Bingo123,

I would be glad to help you resolve your doubt. :-)

At e-GMAT, we apply meaning-based approach to solve any and every SC problem.

The original sentence says that the tourism commission's ultimate goal is to reduce the guests who complain about the services.

So, the goal is ultimate as expressed by Choice A, D, and E. Use of ultimately in Choices B and C distorts the meaning of the original sentence because these choices state that the commission's goal is to ultimately reduce. Hence, Choices B and C can be eliminated.

Also, from the context of the sentence, it is clear that the commission wants to reduce the number of those guests who complain. Hence, the appropriate expression is to reduce the number of guests as we see in Choice E. So Choice A can be eliminated.

In Choice D, the subject that that stands for plural noun guests does not agree in number with singular verb ends up. Hence, this choice is also eliminated.

Choice E indeed is the correct answer choice that conveys the intended meaning of the sentence.

It certainly is difficult to remember a bunch of complicated rules. However, applying meaning-based approach is the easy and logical way to solve SC problems.


Hope this helps. :-)
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The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels.

A) with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels - "reducing the guests" hmm incorrect, should be "reducing the number of guests"
B) with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service - "ultimately reduce" is awkward
C) ultimately with the goal to reduce expressions of overall dissatisfaction by the guests with the hotel service - "dissatisfaction" should be next "with the hotel service"
D) in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service - "number of guests" does not go with plural "ends up", it should be "end up" instead
E) with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service - CORRECT, "reducing the number of guests" is correct + "express" has the subject "guests" separated by a "who", correct + "dissatisfaction" is next to "with the hotels´ service" is also correct
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I wish to understand what's wrong in option B compared to E.

(B) The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the goal toultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service

(E) The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service


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Scientists have solved many puzzles of nature, with the goal of understanding the earth better

I think the former makes more sense because "to" has an intention connotation that is lacking in "for verb-ing". Or, is there a problem with "ultimate" in the above sentence?

"who express" is, of course, much cleaner than "who end up expressing"


The goal is not to ultimately reduce the numbers. It would be better if the commission could reduce the numbers now than if it reduces "ultimately". However the goal itself is ultimate (i.e. the final goal). Therefore placement of ultimately is wrong in option B.



Are both goal to and goal of correct??

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I am not sure of you still have this doubt. Nonetheless, here is my response. :-)

Let me present the sentence with Choice D:

The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service.

Please note that the noun modifier that must logically refer to guests because the guests express dissatisfaction. But it is not correct to use that to refer to people. Hence, usage of that is incorrect in choice D.

Since that must logically refer to plural guests, it must take plural verb. But the verb for that is singular ends up.

Hence, it appears that in Choice D, that has been used to refer to the phrase the number of guests. But this modification is illogical and hence incorrect because the number does not express dissatisfaction. The guests do so.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Hello arvind910619,


I am not sure of you still have this doubt. Nonetheless, here is my response. :-)

Let me present the sentence with Choice D:

The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service.

Please note that the noun modifier that must logically refer to guests because the guests express dissatisfaction. But it is not correct to use that to refer to people. Hence, usage of that is incorrect in choice D.

Since that must logically refer to plural guests, it must take plural verb. But the verb for that is singular ends up.

Hence, it appears that in Choice D, that has been used to refer to the phrase the number of guests. But this modification is illogical and hence incorrect because the number does not express dissatisfaction. The guests do so.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Can u tell me whether goal to and goal of both are correct in B and D? Thanks in advance

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I wish to understand what's wrong in option B compared to E.

(B) The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the goal toultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service

(E) The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service


Scientists have solved many puzzles of nature, with the goal to understand the earth better
Scientists have solved many puzzles of nature, with the goal of understanding the earth better

I think the former makes more sense because "to" has an intention connotation that is lacking in "for verb-ing". Or, is there a problem with "ultimate" in the above sentence?

"who express" is, of course, much cleaner than "who end up expressing"


The goal is not to ultimately reduce the numbers. It would be better if the commission could reduce the numbers now than if it reduces "ultimately". However the goal itself is ultimate (i.e. the final goal). Therefore placement of ultimately is wrong in option B.



Are both goal to and goal of correct??



Hello rma26,

I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)

The thing to note here is that Choice B uses the phrase goal to reduce and Choice E uses the phrase goal of reducing. Both the phrases are correct and are used oer the context of the sentence. So there is no issue with the usage of either of the phrase.

However, it is the usage of ultimately and ultimate in Choice B and E respectively that matters.

The original sentence says that the tourism commission has conducted surveys with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests.

Hence, the goal is ultimate. Ultimate is the adjective used for the noun goal. This is what Choice E also says and hence retains the information provided in the original sentence.

However, Choice B uses the adverb ultimately that does not modify the goal anymore. It modifies the action denoted by to reduce. So this choice says that the goal is to ultimately reduce the number of guests rather than saying that the ultimate goal is to do so.

Hence Choice B wins over Choice E with regards to the usage of ultimate.


Hope this helps. :-)
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I would like to ask what is the DIFFERENCE between two phrases: the service in the hotels in A (wrong option) and the hotels' service in E (correct option).

And can this DIFFERENCE led to a split to eliminate A?

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The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels.


1) Tourism commission (S)...................has conducted (V) : Singular SV
2) "with the ultimate goal" modifies "has conducted".
The TC has conducted surveys with the ultimate goal of reducing.............

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What all can with modifier modify? Does it have to modify the preceding noun?

3) Ultimate is an adjective and modifies goal.
4) Goal is to reduce number of guests and not the guests.
5) who end up (plural) because plural noun -guests.
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GMATNinja, mike, and @e-gmat

In the official answer, its written that direct modifiers like with......should be close to what they modify. But with the ultimate goal is not close to the entity it modifies.
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Narrowed down to A and E,,
E is clear and concise,,,

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In the official answer, its written that direct modifiers like with......should be close to what they modify. But with the ultimate goal is not close to the entity it modifies.


The prepositional phrase modifiers are similar to present participle modifiers - they have two usages:

1. Noun modifier (without comma - modifies the noun it touches):

Present participle: I have a friend working in that company. (underlined modifier refers to "friend")

Prepositional phrase: I have a book with brown cover. (underlined modifier refers to "book")

2. Verb modifier (with comma - refers to the verb of the preceding clause):

Present participle: I walked along the river, whistling my favourite song. (underlined modifier refers to "walked")

Prepositional Phrase: The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ Service. (underlined modifier refers to the verb "has conducted".)

Unlike noun modifiers, verb modifiers can be placed away from the verb they refer to.

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The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels.

A) with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels
- "reducing the guests" makes no sense...should be "reducing the number of guests". how can you reduce guests?

B) with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
- "goal to" is UNIDIOMATIC. should be "goal of". also, "ultimately" should be closer to goal"

C) ultimately with the goal to reduce expressions of overall dissatisfaction by the guests with the hotel service
- same as "B". also "ultimately" misplaced, it should be closer to "goal"

D) in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
- "ultimate attempt" changes the meaning of the sentence. also, "guests that ends up" = all sorts of wrong. "guests WHO express dissatisfaction".

E) with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
- correct as is

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The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels.

A) with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels
B) with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
C) ultimately with the goal to reduce expressions of overall dissatisfaction by the guests with the hotel service
D) in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
E) with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service


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it is hard to eliminate choice B.
the goal is to do/ with the goal of doing something
those are idiom hard to remember. but gmat is not playing hard-to-remember idiom (this is good news, you dont have to remember hard idioms), but playing the game of meaning analysis.

"ultimately" in B is problematic. this meaning error is more easy to see and is what gmac want us to handle.

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