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# The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put

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18 Aug 2011, 09:05
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As mentioned in Chapter 7 MGMAT, 'with in last 10 days', 'for the last ten days'... demand present/past perfect tense. Going as per this logic, it should be 'E'

What is the source for this problem.??

I have the same MGMAT trouble.. with in last 10 days', 'for the last ten days'... demand present/past perfect tense.
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D. The action in underlined part did not occur earlier than that in non-underlined part. So, simple past is required. 'more quickly' is correct usage.[/quote]

Simple past would have been correct if we would have used a perfect tense in non underlined part. However, a time cue is there in the non underlined part and thus we didn't use perfect tense.
So we can use perfect tense here as the effect of formulation still exists... as per Manhattan, within calls for using perfect tense..

Can anybody untangle me..?!

I mean am for E over D.[/quote]

I was fooled by the "has formulated" as well

As the poster above mentioned, the word "called" implies that the action of formulation occurred and finished in the past. Therefore, the present perfect tense doesn't work here.

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25 Apr 2012, 09:43
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The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past. BINGO

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

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D

Nice question

More quickly is more appropriate than quicker

since there are two events that occured in past, (fires took place and than the policy was introduced), choice D satisfies both the criteria, hence the best answere,

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25 Apr 2012, 10:46
Past tense is to be used for the underlined portion as well. So down to D and E, quicker (adj and adv) and quickly(adv) both can be used as adverb. not too much sure but since quickly is more appropriate as it only acts as adv and hence is more correct

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21 May 2012, 11:46
My choice is "D" because of the use of simple present tense to make the sentence parallel.
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25 May 2012, 02:06
Just for the sake of getting the concepts clear, what is the subject of the verb 'directing' in this case ? the 'agency' or the 'policy'? Please let me know.

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25 May 2012, 03:47
Directing is not a verb in this case. So there is no subject for that. It is a present participle. You see, a policy is just statement while it is the men behind the policy who are the directors. So Agency fits in better
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25 May 2012, 22:05
I got another doubt. Technically, isn't the present participle 'directing' wrongly modifying the '10 A.M. policy' rather than the 'agency' since the noun '10 A.M. policy' immediately precedes the participle? Or is it not necessary that the participle will always modify the noun immediately preceding it? Please clarify. Thanks.

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08 Jun 2012, 07:38
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The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

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D

crap....its took me 2.10 min to choose the option D. thats not good. quicker is adjective and it modifies noun fire. but the intended meaning of the sentence needs "quicker" to modify the verb "extinguish" so A, b and C are out. In E "has formulated" means the ongoing process of formulation which is not the intended meaning of the sentence. hence E is out. please correct me if i am wrong

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08 Jun 2012, 15:13
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The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

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quick modifies verb (extinguished) thus we need adverbial modifier -> "quickly" ELIMINATE ABC
between D and E chose D because has formulated means it is still formulating but then uses verb CALLED in the past so formulation action should be finished....

D my choice !

Came down to D and E. Had trouble figure it out between the two but came away with D. However, you explained what I needed to know. Gave you kudos. Thanks

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Thanks Ritula for detailed explanation ... really helps to understand tense issue..
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11 Jan 2013, 09:33
Can someone explain why B is wrong ?

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The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

1) The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, - for ex Lets take 1950 ( implies US Forest service was founded in 1945 )

In 1950 they decided something

2) Within three decades, Before 1980 - the agency formulated / has formulated

The have forms is used only when the timeline is unclear. Here it has been specified within three decades. So it has to be verb + ed form.

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07 Feb 2013, 06:22
Is "Quicker" a valid english word??

I think "Quicker" is slang lingo.

Agree with D since we don't need a perfect tense.

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07 Feb 2013, 09:06
The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past. Incorrect. "more quickly" is correct. It is parallel - Formulated Vs Decided.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past. Incorrect. "more quickly" is correct. It is not parallel - has Formulated Vs Decided.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past. Incorrect. "more quickly" is correct. It is not parallel - had Formulated Vs Decided.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past. Correct. "more quickly" is correct. It is parallel - Formulated Vs Decided. Past perfect tense has two actions - one implemented and formulated while "be extinguished....had been in the past"

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past. Incorrect. "more quickly" is correct. It is not parallel - has Formulated Vs Decided.

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07 Feb 2013, 09:12
one more point to keep in mind.. understand that "within three decades the agency" is a prepositional phrase. If we eliminate it then also the sentence can survive.
so we need to really watch what part of sentence is playing what role. So to maintain parallelism i think it would be ok to have a prepositional phrase after "and". We just need to check the two verbs and see if they are parallel or not.

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07 Feb 2013, 11:23
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Is "Quicker" a valid english word??

I think "Quicker" is slang lingo.

Agree with D since we don't need a perfect tense.

Hi Soumens,

In written English "more quickly" is preferred; whereas, "quicker" is a word that is used frequently in verbal communications.

In GMAT most probably the choice with "quicker" would be incorrect.

Bottom-line: If there are two answer choices which are same grammatically and contextually, and the difference is between "more quickly" and "quicker" then the choice with "more quickly" would be the better one.

Hope that helps

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31 Dec 2013, 12:11
Any expert pl explain the difference between more quicker and quickly here

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Any expert pl explain the difference between more quicker and quickly here

Not an expert, but I think here you need an adverb to modify a verb -> quickly. Hope that helps

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31 May 2014, 05:05
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The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

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very good question from good source, Princeton

"has" can not be used here because the time frame is in past. E and B is out

had done in C has no past action before which "had done " finished. in other words, it is not logic to us had done in C. "had formulated" can not finished before "called" or " decided"

"quicker than" is not idiomatic.

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