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New post 27 Oct 2010, 11:38
OA is A.

I answered E, thinking that an individual not an emotion make unconscious responses. I thought emotion couldn't be conscious or unconscious.

Am I over-thinking here?
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I agree with A. However, I'm concerned that the word "that" is placed right after "individual". Does it create any confusion since GMAT is strict with ambiguity?
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I agree with A. However, I'm concerned that the word "that" is placed right after "individual". Does it create any confusion since GMAT is strict with ambiguity?



That is fine.

Check this thread out for explanation.

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The use of lie detectors is based on the assumption that lying produces emotional reactions in an individual that, in turn, create unconscious physiological response.
A) that, in turn, create unconscious physiological responses.
B) that creates unconscious physiological responses in turn.
C) creating, in turn, unconscious physiological responses.
D) to create, in turn, physiological responses that are unconscious.
E) who creates unconscious physiological responses in turn.


At first I chose E because the clause who creates unconscious physiological responses in turn modifies the noun individual. E may be grammatically correct, but it distorts the intended meaning of the sentence.

Look closely at the meaning of the sentence:
[ Lying produces emotional reactions in an individual ], and the rest of the sentence implies that emotional reactions create unconscious physiological responses. Therefore, relative pronoun "that" refers to "emotional reactions".

Well, the answer choices are quite confusing.
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a. correct
b. singular verb 'creates' is wrong
c. missing comma before creating
d. to create - wrong usage
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a. correct
b. singular verb 'creates' is wrong
c. missing comma before creating
d. to create - wrong usage
e. use of who is wrong



Hey GetThisDone

Is missing comma before creating the only reason for rejecting C.if it had a comma before creating would it be the right option
I am trying to understand -ing as a modifier vs that as a modifier

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A it is. Emotional reactions in an individual that - here emotional reactions is followed by a prepositional phrase so that will not modify the noun in prepositional phrase but will modify whatever comes before prepositional phrase.


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Where can I get more detail on this rule?

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I just want to correct this question to eliminate confusion between A and B. The correct version of B is: that creates unconscious physiological responses in turn.

Hence, the revised question is:

The use of lie detectors is based on the assumption that lying produces emotional reactions in an individual that, in turn, create unconscious physiological response.
A) that, in turn, create unconscious physiological responses.
B) that creates unconscious physiological responses in turn.
C) creating, in turn, unconscious physiological responses.
D) to create, in turn, physiological responses that are unconscious.
E) who creates unconscious physiological responses in turn.

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A it is. Emotional reactions in an individual that - here emotional reactions is followed by a prepositional phrase so that will not modify the noun in prepositional phrase but will modify whatever comes before prepositional phrase.


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In general, noun modifiers must touch their noun. For example:
I'm fixing my car behind the house that was constructed in 1990.
Wall is followed by a prepositional phrase, but THAT modifies the house, not my car because of the TOUCH rule.

But this question is an exception. This is OG Explanation:-- This sentence describes a cause-and-effect sequence; in the underlined portion of the sentence, the relative pronoun that refers to the plural noun reactions. The verb in the relative clause must therefore be a plural verb.

Hence, A is correct.

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getmba wrote:
A it is. Emotional reactions in an individual that - here emotional reactions is followed by a prepositional phrase so that will not modify the noun in prepositional phrase but will modify whatever comes before prepositional phrase.


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In general, noun modifiers must touch their noun. For example:
I'm fixing my car behind the house that was constructed in 1990.
Wall is followed by a prepositional phrase, but THAT modifies the house, not my car because of the TOUCH rule.

But this question is an exception. This is OG Explanation:-- This sentence describes a cause-and-effect sequence; in the underlined portion of the sentence, the relative pronoun that refers to the plural noun reactions. The verb in the relative clause must therefore be a plural verb.

Hence, A is correct.

Hope it clears your doubt.



Thanks for your help.

But I am still looking for theory behind this exception.

I'm fixing my car behind the wall of the house that was constructed in 1990.

here that will point to the house since it is not cause-and-effect sequence( correct me if I am wrong)

but not for the mentioned question.
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The difference in the current sentence is there is a 'prepositional phrase'

'in an individual'

this means that this part can be taken as a whole 'emotional response in an individual' - and the 'that' refers to the whole phrase.

To use your example to show how this works:

I'm fixing my car behind the wall of the house on the hill that was constructed in 1990.

The phrase in italics is the prepositional phrase, but it's clear that the 'that' refers to 'the house on the hill' so still makes sense...

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Thanks Plumber..

This does make sense..
So this doesn't has anything to do with "cause-and-effect sequence"
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I agree with A. However, I'm concerned that the word "that" is placed right after "individual". Does it create any confusion since GMAT is strict with ambiguity?



That is fine.

Check this thread out for explanation.
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i didn't get anything explanatory there. can you please explain
to add to this, in option A -> that create(it should be "that creates" or "those create" SV agreement)
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After seeing the following question I recalled I've seen somewhere a rule that said that we use "that" to change the subject in the sentence or something:

the-use-of-lie-detectors-is-based-on-the-assumption-that-83581.html

Can someone clarify this please? (hopefully once and for all! :-D )

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Hi Skag55

Let me try this question.

First, meaning is KEY. what creates unconscious physiological response? an individual OR emotional reactions? Clearly, the latter - emotional reactions - does because it follows the structure: lying --> emotional reactions that make a person express --> unconscious physiological response.

Note:"that" does not follow "touch" rule here. It's quite rare in GMAT, because normally "that" modifies the closest noun. The question, however, addresses the meaning rather than grammar rule.

[i]The use of lie detectors is based on the assumption that lying produces emotional reactions in an individual that, in turn, create unconscious physiological response.

A) that, in turn, create unconscious physiological responses.
Correct.

B) that create unconscious physiological responses in turn.
Wrong. "in turn" should be placed after "that" to make the sentence logically.

C) creating, in turn, unconscious physiological responses.
Wrong. "creating" modifies "an individual" --> wrong meaning.

D) to create, in turn, physiological responses that are unconscious.
Wrong. Meaning is awkward: lying produces emotional reactions to create unconscious responses <-- wrong.

E) who creates unconscious physiological responses in turn.
Wrong. "who" modifies "an individual" --> changes meaning --> wrong.

Hope it helps.

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After seeing the following question I recalled I've seen somewhere a rule that said that we use "that" to change the subject in the sentence or something:

The use of lie detectors is based on the assumption that lying produces emotional reactions in an individual that, in turn, create unconscious physiological response.
A) that, in turn, create unconscious physiological responses.
B) that create unconscious physiological responses in turn.
C) creating, in turn, unconscious physiological responses.
D) to create, in turn, physiological responses that are unconscious.
E) who creates unconscious physiological responses in turn.


Can someone clarify this please? (hopefully once and for all! :-D )


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Skag55 wrote:
After seeing the following question I recalled I've seen somewhere a rule that said that we use "that" to change the subject in the sentence or something:

The use of lie detectors is based on the assumption that lying produces emotional reactions in an individual that, in turn, create unconscious physiological response.
A) that, in turn, create unconscious physiological responses.
B) that create unconscious physiological responses in turn.
C) creating, in turn, unconscious physiological responses.
D) to create, in turn, physiological responses that are unconscious.
E) who creates unconscious physiological responses in turn.


Can someone clarify this please? (hopefully once and for all! :-D )


Hi Skag55,
Looks like you haven't read the forum rules before posting. Pls. Go ahead and read them (given in my signature)
You are supposed to underline your question, give a proper title to your post,TAG the question-state the source of the questions and ABOVE all search the forum before you post.
This question has already been discussed on the forum before and answered by a verbal expert here and yet again here as well as here

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Hi dentobizz,
I wasn't even meant to post a question, I wanted to refer to it as an example.
I'll go ahead and remove the question and add a link instead.
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Hi Skag55

Let me try this question.

First, meaning is KEY. what creates unconscious physiological response? an individual OR emotional reactions? Clearly, the latter - emotional reactions - does because it follows the structure: lying --> emotional reactions that make a person express --> unconscious physiological response.

Note:"that" does not follow "touch" rule here. It's quite rare in GMAT, because normally "that" modifies the closest noun. The question, however, addresses the meaning rather than grammar rule.

The use of lie detectors is based on the assumption that lying produces emotional reactions in an individual that, in turn, create unconscious physiological response.

A) that, in turn, create unconscious physiological responses.
Correct.

B) that create unconscious physiological responses in turn.
Wrong. "in turn" should be placed after "that" to make the sentence logically.

C) creating, in turn, unconscious physiological responses.
Wrong. "creating" modifies "an individual" --> wrong meaning.

D) to create, in turn, physiological responses that are unconscious.
Wrong. Meaning is awkward: lying produces emotional reactions to create unconscious responses <-- wrong.

E) who creates unconscious physiological responses in turn.
Wrong. "who" modifies "an individual" --> changes meaning --> wrong.

Hope it helps.

Can someone clarify this please? (hopefully once and for all! :-D )


Interesting explanation, however I've got objections:
pqhai wrote:
normally "that" modifies the closest noun

This is in contrast with what is mentioned in one of the links that dentobizz kindly provided:
[i]That or which always refers to the first noun directly preceding it. (I'm 99.9% sure this is false)
and then further down in the discussion DmitryFarber agrees that there is no concrete rule about that.

Additionally, how can we even call it a "rule" if it's not always applicable, yet it merely derives from the meaning of the sentence (i.e. if the meaning uses that as a noun modifier, then that is a noun modifier!)
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