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Why is the usage of both wrong in A,C,E?
I know the correct idiom is Both A and B or Both in A and in B ...

In B we have =>both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith (A) and Duke Ellington (B)
---- isnt Both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Both in the stride-piano tradition of Duke Ellington understood here ???

both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith (A) and Duke Ellington (B) --- do we need to type both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and both in the stride-piano tradition of Duke Ellington .... isnt that understood?

Also, why is the usage of 'who' wrong in C?




Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

a) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both




The usage of "who" in choice C is wrong.

Take a run at this simplified example...

Tiger Woods, who is a famous golfer, endorses Nike, but he wears Reebok. [Correct]

Tiger Woods, who is a famous golfer that endorses Nike, but he wears Reebok. [Incorrect]

Why? --- The noun Tiger Woods does not have an accompanying verb. It is incomplete.

Choice C can be corrected as follows:

Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, was a traditional jazz pianist and composer, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

As you can see -- [Noun], [WHO]......., [Verb] + Modifier, [Coordinating Conjunction] + [Independent Clause]
[Monk], [WHO]......., [was] + traditional jazz.. , [YET] [He stood apart from the...]
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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

a) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both


The idiom both..and is deceptively used here. All options except C and D use the word both incorrectly here. C is a fragment, not a complete sentence. Hence the right answer is D.
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both is incorrectly used here. Hence, only C and D remain. C is a fragment and not a complete sentence. Hence, D is the answer.
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D...rooted both is unnecessary
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'both' is not needed. D is the right answer.
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Theolonious Monk, who was jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

(A) Theolonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
(B) Theolonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
(C) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
(D) Jazz pianist and composer TheloniousMonk produced a body of work that was rooted
(E) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both
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Although, GMAT takes Active voice better than the passive voice. There are couple of instances where passive voice is better, such as
-> when 'what is done' is important than the doer
-> when the subject is general, indefinite.

Here, the subject is more imp. and 'body of work ' is not so, this calls for a passive construction.

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I think we should take note an important issue here. The word ‘both’ is the spoilsport in the original text. What does ‘both’ refer to? When we say both, we mean both x and Y. However, there is only one factor here that ------ Monk produced a body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington. Note that sibular phrase ‘a body of work’. So using ‘both’ before rooted has no relevance.

2. Can ‘rooted both’ be right? If there are two traditions in the context, it is understandable. However, here is only one tradition i.e. ‘the stride-piano tradition’ which belongs to the two gentlemen noted there.

Therefore, all choices using both in any of the contexts are wrong here. This leaves us only with C and D. Between them, C is an oitright fragment because of the intrusion of the pronoun “who”. Hence D.

3. A note on whether you really have to say ‘was rooted”. Here ‘a body of work rooted’ does not mean that the verb rooted is in active voice. It is actually a past participle, essentially conveying a passive voice such as ‘is rooted/ are rooted/ was rooted / were rooted etc’ depending on the context. Hence, the voice of the verb is out of scope here. In fact, D will still be right answer, even if you drop, the auxiliary verb ‘was’ before rooted.
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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

(A) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
(B) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
(C) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
(D) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
(E) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both
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First, you must know that "both....and...." is a idiom, and it requires parallelism.
What does this mean? That the elements inside that idiom must have the same gramatical structure.
In other words: "both (noun) and (noun)"
"both (adjective) and (adjective)"
etc.

In this case, notice that after "and" there is a noun (Duke Ellington). So, the structure must be "both (noun) and (noun)".
Notice that in all the choices in which there is "both...and...", there is not parallelism in the elements. A, B, and E out.
C creates a fragment sentence "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk" is a subject that doesn't have a verb, because after "yet" there is a new and independent clause. D is the answer.

I suggest to read the MGMAT SC book; it provides you a lot of useful concepts.

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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

a) same
b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

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THank You for explanation it cleared up a lot of issues. Thank You for taking the time to write this!!
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good explanation mettalicafan .Kudos for you !!
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Both needs two items. There are NONE.

a) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted (Single item only Both is WRONG)

b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both (Single item only Both is WRONG)

c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted -- AWKWARD.
e.g. John, who blah blah blah, YET in blah blah blah.
This doesn't even make sense. Why do you need a YET???

The main difference between C and D is the restrictive clause starting with THAT which makes it a more definitive sentence compared to the non-restrictive starting with who which does not look definitive


d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted CORRECT
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both (Single item only Both is WRONG)
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Very good explanation mettalicafan.
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what metallica fan said;

key concept here is the idiomatic use of the phase "both..and..", which requires 2 subords
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+1 for D.

A good SC practice question.

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I have chosen D for this question:

A. The word "both" leads up to believe that there should be another part of the main clause. Also, it is unnecessary to have the subordinator "who."

B. Again, the main problem is the word "both"

C. The subordinator "who" creates wordiness in this answer choice. This sentence is also a fragment.

D. This answer choice eliminates the word "both" and clearly states the intent of the sentence.

E. Again, the word "both" is present here.
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New post 23 Mar 2012, 11:23
one more vote for D. Good question. Thanks guys
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Which one of the following is right ??
a. Theo Mark, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of will smith and duke.
b. Jazz pianist and composer Theo Mark produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of will smith and duke.

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The structure in option a-' the' jazz ...
Because the use of the article 'the' makes him the only guy, which is notnecessarily the case

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