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Which one of the following is right ??
a. Theo Mark, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of will smith and duke.
b. Jazz pianist and composer Theo Mark produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of will smith and duke.

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In A, it seems that there are three persons: Theo Mark, the Jazz pianist and composer.
In B, the "jazz pianist and composer" modifies Theo Mark.
Both suggest different meanings and correct in their respects. To choose among these two would require the original sentence to be presented.
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Marcab- I don't think your explanation is correct as the clause ' the jazz artist and composer' is between commas representing this clause as a non-essential modifier modifying the noun . If at all there was not a comma after composer your explanation would have made sense. What say guys?

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Yes, the comma has made the difference. I didn't notice it.
P.S. "the jazz pianist and composer" is not a clause.
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smrutipattnaik wrote:
Which one of the following is right ??
a. Theo Mark, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of will smith and duke.
b. Jazz pianist and composer Theo Mark produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of will smith and duke.

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Hi Smruti,

You have changed the original Official question , nonetheless this is a good question to learn from.

If you have a noun prefaced by expression that is NOT preceded by an article 'THE/AN/A' then you do not need a comma this is the case in choice
Jazz pianist and composer Theo Mark
produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of will smith and duke.

If it said 'The/A jazz pianist and composer , Theo Mark (comma is needed because article is used ) or
if it said Innovative and Creative, Theo mark.. (comma needed because Noun preceded by adjective)

BTW the reason for elimination of choice [a] in the official question was a //m issue ;there is nothing wrong with the sentence structure
Theo Mark, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of will smith and duke.
Noun, modifier, rest of the clause---is a OK structure


For clarity the original question is

Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

a) same as above
b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

OA
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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both
rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in
many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.
A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

Please explain ur answers..!


D is the correct answer here…


A B and E are out because of "both"
C uses unnecessary "who"….it looks awkward.

D is the correct answer here.



Hi ,
Even i found out D to be right but i have a concern in sentence D , there should be a "," after jazz pianist and composer .

Jazz pianist and composer , Theologist --- indicates that this guy was both jazz pianist and composer
Jazz Pianist and composer Theologist -- i get a notion that there are 2 persons.

And HE in the clause again confuses me. Can someone explain this please?

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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both
rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in
many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.
A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

Please explain ur answers..!


D is the correct answer here…


A B and E are out because of "both"
C uses unnecessary "who"….it looks awkward.

D is the correct answer here.



Hi ,
Even i found out D to be right but i have a concern in sentence D , there should be a "," after jazz pianist and composer .

Jazz pianist and composer , Theologist --- indicates that this guy was both jazz pianist and composer
Jazz Pianist and composer Theologist -- i get a notion that there are 2 persons.

And HE in the clause again confuses me. Can someone explain this please?



Hi,

When you don't use an article while describing noun's occupation or what it does you don't use a comma as in the case above:

Jazz Pianist and composer Theologist

However when you use an article with noun's occupation or what it does you will require a comma to describe noun:

A jazz pianist and a composer, Theologist

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If you use "BOTH" the sentence structure would have to be:
"that was rooted both in X....and ...in Y"

We have:
"that was rooted both in [the stride-piano tradition of these guys], yet in many ways.."

WHERE is Y?

Note the "and" between "Willie and Duke Ellington" isn't part of the same structure. You would need the word "IN" or some other prepositional phrase like "both IN X and ON Y"---simply have the word "and" without the correct structure is NOT what we want.

SO there is no X&Y consistency here so it's no good. Specifically, the word "BOTH" is no good.

There's nothing wrong with "the jazz pianist and composer" - it's just that if you see other answer choices that say the same exact thing but in fewer words, then you want the other guy. "THE jazz pianist and composer" can be simplified to "Jazz pianist and composer" without sacrificing any meaning.

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In this question could you please let me know If I have to choose between
1)rooted
2)was rooted

then which one should I choose??

Thanks for your help :)


Main problem of this sentence is PARALLELISM: idiom: both X and Y --> X and Y must be parallel.

Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
Wrong. Not parallel: both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington

B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
Wrong. Same as in A. rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington

C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
Wrong. A clause "who produced a body......" is MODIFIER ==> It means if you eliminate it, the sentence is still sensible. Let try:
Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory..
==> The red part is not a sentence. --> Wrong.
The green part is a complete sentence with S and V.

D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
Correct.

E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both
Wrong. Same problem as in A and B. rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington

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idiom: Both X and Y ==> X and Y must be parallel in terms of grammar structure.

Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

(A) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
Wrong. idiom problem: "a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington" ==> The two red parts are not parallel - "rooted in the stride-piano VS. Duke Ellington"

(B) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
Wrong. idiom problem: a body of work that was rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington" ==> The two red parts are not parallel - "the stride-piano VS. Duke Ellington"

(C) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
Wrong. "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington" is not a complete sentence.

(D) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
Correct. parallel structure: rooted in the stride-piano of X and Y. ==> Willie Smith VS. Duke Ellington.

(E) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both
Wrong. idiom problem: "a body of work rooted both in the stride-piano of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington" ==> The stride-piano VS. Duke Ellington ==> Wrong.

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D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted

Doesn't this sound like there were two persons who actually produced a body of work i.e. jazz pianist and another one is composer Thelonious monk.

(though I see "he" in later part of the sentence)


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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

a) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both


Because we use idiom "both X and Y" too often, so when we see the idiom we will pick options having this idiom intuitively. GMAT, however, prefers standard idioms. In this question,
"both X and Y" must be used precisely, otherwise it's going wrong.

Note: Both X and Y <== X and Y MUST be parallel in meaning and grammar.
OG questions seem to be easy, but they have more sophisticated traps than we thought.

a) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
Wrong. Parallelism problem: both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington,
- "rooted" is verb, "Duke Ellington" is noun <-- cannot parallel.

b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
Wrong. Parallelism problem: rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington,
- The stride-piano tradition AND Duke Ellington are not parallel.

c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
Wrong. Modifier problem. The clause "who....." has a comma before it. Technically, the clause is NON-essential. It means we can omit the clause without any meaning change. But that's wrong. The clause is ESSENTIAL. We can't omit it.

d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
Correct. parallelism: rooted in the stride-piano tradition of X and Y.

e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both
Wrong. Parallelism problem: rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington,
- The stride-piano tradition AND Duke Ellington are not parallel.

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Can someone explain to me why the appositive "Jazz pianist and composer" in D is correct without a comma after it? Is it even an appositive? I quickly eliminated C-E because of this issue, but I realized in the end that D was the best answer.

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Can someone explain to me why the appositive "Jazz pianist and composer" in D is correct without a comma after it? Is it even an appositive? I quickly eliminated C-E because of this issue, but I realized in the end that D was the best answer.


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D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted

Doesn't this sound like there were two persons who actually produced a body of work i.e. jazz pianist and another one is composer Thelonious monk.

(though I see "he" in later part of the sentence)


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Jazz pianist XYZ and composer Thelonious Monk -> these are two people.

Jazz pianist and composer -> modifies Thelonious Monk.
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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

Please explain ur answers..!


Please explain why is C wrong???

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Found an explanation: http://www.beatthegmat.com/thelonious-m ... 81597.html

Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington , yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

The green colored one is a relative clause...now a relative clause can not be an independent clause that means we need an IC to make a complete sentence but if you see the red one which supposed to be the main clause..u see it lacks a verb. the "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk" the main subject needs a verb a verb which is missing hence its a fragment.

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Re: Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, [#permalink]

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nityamskhurana wrote:
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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

Please explain ur answers..!


Please explain why is C wrong???

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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the
stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

Both X and Y . X and Y should be parallel.

X = in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith
Y = Duke Ellington

Hence Both cannot be used.

(A) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted - Eliminated for above reason
(B) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both - Eliminated for above reason
(C) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk,who produced a body of work rooted

who indicates a modifier so I can remove it and still the sentence should make sense

Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk,who produced a body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

If I remove clause starting with who
Rest of the sentence becomes "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk,yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory"
clause starting with yet is DC, the earlier clause should be an IC . "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk" cannot be an IC - Incorrect


(D) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted - Correct

(E) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both - Eliminated for above reason
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