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# Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer,

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15 May 2016, 01:34
paidlukkha wrote:
Can I eliminate A B E just cause they have used both...and?

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Nope. "Both X and Y" is a correct idiom. The issue here is the X and Y in the answers you mentioned are not logicaly parallel. Read my answer above for more details.

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06 Jul 2016, 00:47
Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

IF you remove "both" from Option A, then it would be the perfect sentence, even better than D.
Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

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06 Jul 2016, 01:02
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D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted

Doesn't this sound like there were two persons who actually produced a body of work i.e. jazz pianist and another one is composer Thelonious monk.

(though I see "he" in later part of the sentence)

Jazz pianist XYZ and composer Thelonious Monk -> these are two people.

Jazz pianist and composer -> modifies Thelonious Monk.

also this choice is a run -on.read carefully
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05 Aug 2016, 12:30
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hsbinfy wrote:
kinjiGC wrote:
email2vm wrote:
D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted

Doesn't this sound like there were two persons who actually produced a body of work i.e. jazz pianist and another one is composer Thelonious monk.

(though I see "he" in later part of the sentence)

Jazz pianist XYZ and composer Thelonious Monk -> these are two people.

Jazz pianist and composer -> modifies Thelonious Monk.

also this choice is a run -on.read carefully

IMO, with Answer Choice D,original sentence is not a run-on

COMMA+Conjunction make the sentences NOT a run-on in any way.

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07 Aug 2016, 23:37
Hello @e-gmat,
Could you please explain the use of "was" - in "that was rooted" in option D.
was suggests that it no longer is rooted .

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23 Dec 2016, 23:23
Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory-
(A) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
(B) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
(C) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
(D) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
(E) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

Although the OG 16 mentions D as the correct answer, i would like to know the use of comma ,which makes b as the right choice in my assumptions.
Much guidance needed here.
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24 Dec 2016, 01:42
Easiest Clue to rule out B, both with and creates redundancy.

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24 Dec 2016, 18:09
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this question tests you on parallelism -

Note that this correlative conjunction - Both X and Y - requires X and Y to be perfectly parallel.

Let us look at the answer options -

A - "both rooted in ...and Duke Ellington" - these two things are not in parallel.

B - "both in the stride piano ... and Duke Ellington" - these two things are not in parallel.

C - "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory"

Note that "yet" is used as co-ordinating conjunction here. Hence, two things that it contrasts must be parallel. Also, note that the portion in blue is a modifier.

"in many ways he stood apart ..." - a clause - is contrasted with "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk" - a phrase.
Hence, incorrect.

D - Correct answer. Note that we are not using the correlative conjunction both X and Y.

"... rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington" - these two things are in parallel.

E - "both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington"
these two things are not in parallel.
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26 Dec 2016, 16:43
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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory-
(A) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
(B) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
(C) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
(D) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
(E) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

Although the OG 16 mentions D as the correct answer, i would like to know the use of comma ,which makes b as the right choice in my assumptions.
Much guidance needed here.

The commas are fine in both (B) and (D). I assume you're talking about the modifier 'the jazz pianist and composer'/'jazz pianist and composer', which has commas in (B) but not in (D), right?

But you're in luck: the GMAT doesn't test commas in this way. The only situation in which I've seen the GMAT test commas, is when you're dealing with essential vs. inessential modifiers. Commas can sometimes give you a clue that something is wrong, but they aren't really tested directly, so you should focus on other issues first.
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05 Jan 2017, 07:00
The OA is correct and explanations provided in the thread appear sufficient. If there are any specific questions, please post them here and then click again on the "Request Expert Reply" button – closing this request.
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02 May 2017, 19:55
Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted

B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both

C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
--> fragment.

D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
--> correct.

E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both
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02 May 2017, 23:08
IMO
no need of both hence eliminate A,B and E
option C does n't make a complete sense.
So D
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06 Jul 2017, 07:27
Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the
stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart
from the mainstream jazz repertory.

A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
What is “both” doing here ?
‘The body of work” can be rooted both in X and Y, where X and Y has to be parallel. However, here X and Y are NOT parallel.

B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
Same error as A

C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
Run on sentence : No main verb in this sentence.

D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
Correct

E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both
Again, same error as A
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22 Jul 2017, 21:05
Hi Experts GMATNinja mikemcgarry

GMAT Qs are a bit funny sometimes, except that they cost a lot!!
Do we not actually need a BOTH after verb-ed modifier - rooted?
None of sentences have below format:
Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work
rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and in Duke
Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.
But this too sound incorrect too me.

OA simply eliminates usage of
BOTH if BOTH in not used in correct idiom as : BOTH x and y (x and y: noun phrases)
Any views on the same?
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25 Jul 2017, 15:02
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Just with the knowledge of the STRICT PARALLEL RULE of "both x and y" we know that A, B, and E are incorrect. X and Y have to be in the same form.

My reasoning of why C is incorrect.
(C) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted

Lets look at it as a complete sentence: Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yetin many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory. -- "who produced a body of work rooted tin the stride..." is correctly modifying Thelonius. HOWEVER, this is a descriptive phrase and DPs are not necessary they are "fluff" and if eliminated the WHOLE sentence must make sense.

So when we eliminate it we get this sentence: Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertor. --See why it doesn't make sense? this is a comparison In order to be correct the first phrase must say something that is parallel to "yet (fluff) he stood..."

(D) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted

Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory. <-- correct comparison.
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25 Jul 2017, 19:33
Hi Experts GMATNinja mikemcgarry

GMAT Qs are a bit funny sometimes, except that they cost a lot!!
Do we not actually need a BOTH after verb-ed modifier - rooted?
None of sentences have below format:
Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work
rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and in Duke
Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.
But this too sound incorrect too me.

OA simply eliminates usage of
BOTH if BOTH in not used in correct idiom as : BOTH x and y (x and y: noun phrases)
Any views on the same?
WR, Arpit

Just because both is used in the original sentence, it is not necessary that this word must be present in the correct answer too.

You must first understand why a word has been used in the sentence. Does its usage convey logical meaning? If not, then we should figure out how it can be used correctly in the sentence. However, if an answer choice is logically and grammatically correct even without the usage of that particular word, then also the choice will qualify as the correct answer choice.

Same is the case with Choice D of this official sentence.

However, we can use both in the following way in this official sentence:

Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of both Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

In the above-mentioned sentence, usage of both X and Y is grammatical as well as logical.

Hope this helps.
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26 Jul 2017, 04:19
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Just with the knowledge of the STRICT PARALLEL RULE of "both x and y" we know that A, B, and E are incorrect. X and Y have to be in the same form.

My reasoning of why C is incorrect.
(C) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted

Lets look at it as a complete sentence: Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yetin many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory. -- "who produced a body of work rooted tin the stride..." is correctly modifying Thelonius. HOWEVER, this is a descriptive phrase and DPs are not necessary they are "fluff" and if eliminated the WHOLE sentence must make sense.

So when we eliminate it we get this sentence: Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertor. --See why it doesn't make sense? this is a comparison In order to be correct the first phrase must say something that is parallel to "yet (fluff) he stood..."

(D) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted

Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory. <-- correct comparison.

Hello valepm,

You have presented your analysis with the right thought-process. So kudos for that.

Just adding my two cents. The sentence presents contrast evident by the usage of the word yet.

It is true that Choice C fails to present the intended contrast because there is no verb associated with the subject Thelonious Monk. So yes, Choice C has a missing verb for the subject.

Hope this helps.
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10 Aug 2017, 22:48
IN CHOICE C,D AND E, ISNT THERE A CONFUSION IF A JAZZ PIANIST ( 1 ENTITY ) AND A COMPOSER ( ANOTHER ENTITY ) ?
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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

The options are very interesting , so lets analyse each of the options .

A use of both in this option is troublesome as there is only one tradition i.e the stride-piano tradition .

It seems to suggest there are two tradition one of Willie (The Lion) Smith and the other of Duke Ellington .Also we need that to make it more formal .

B Again we have troublesome both

C This option has meaning error , it seems to suggest that Thelonious Monk was rooted because of the relative pronoun who

D correct

E Is wrong what was rooted Thelonious Monk or work , use of both is wrong
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09 Dec 2017, 09:51
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Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

A. Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
B. Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
C. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
D. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
E. Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

A- Wrong idiom usage. Both rooted.....and Duke Ellington. Makes no sense. it should be Both X & Y..( Both past participle & Noun). Wrong
B- Wrong idiom. ( Both -- Preposition--- & Noun) Should follow by a preposition to be correct.
C- Has no verb
D- Correct
E- Same error as B.
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