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New post 29 Jan 2011, 14:53
A.

'seen' expected. A/E remains.

E - marking by different colors - states that someone did...

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This question has been posted a few times before but looking for better explanations...

Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark

(B) see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark

(C) been seeing layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors are markers of

(D) been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors marking

(E) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, marking by different colors

Spoiler : A


B, C and D are out because of the change in tense. Between A and E, A is more complete.

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This is from the 1000 SC collection. The OA given in the 1000SC answers document is D :roll:
I am kind of confused..I guess the OA is wrong. Any comments?

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Hi, there. I'm happy to help with this.

The first split in the answers is the way the verb is completed. The auxiliary verb "have" can be followed by "seen", "been able", or "been seeing" (although that last is ridiculously wordy). The "see" of (B) is completely wrong.

(C) is absurdly wordy with "have been seeing" --- there's absolutely no reason for the past progressive in this context. (C) is out.

(D) is also unnecessarily wordy. Think about it. Folks who have been to the Grand Canyon have seen the colored layers of sediment. Plain and simple. To say ---- Folks who have been to the Grand Canyon have been able to see the colored layers of sediment. ----- that adds extra words without adding any extra meaning. In GMAT terms, it's unacceptable to lengthen a sentence for no purpose. The only reason to introduce "have been able to" would be if the subject of the sentence itself is about establishing whether folks have the ability to see it at all. If it were in doubt whether anything could be seen, then establishing that folks were able to see something is meaningful. Here, in this context, there's no doubt about one's ability to see the Grand Canyon. It's perhaps the single most photographed natural feature in the USA. Everyone has seen it. There's no reason to raise the question about whether folks are able to see it. (D) is out.

(A) & (E) are close, but the odd passive construction in (E) --- "marking by different colors" --- is weak and indirect. (A) is the best answer, and I believe this is the OA.

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Just 1 ques - is there a rule of thuimb while decinding between the use of THAT and an -ING form
as stated in option A and D.Many thanks


Ms. Devina Williams,

There's not a rule of thumb. Consider these sentences,

Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors marking the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.


Here, both are grammatically correct and acceptable. There might be some special case where one is right and the other is wrong, but I can't think of an example at the moment. I would say: certainly there's not a hard-and-fast grammar rule distinguishing these two that would, in an of itself, separate a right answer from a wrong answer on GMAT SC.

I would say: one beware of parallel constructions --- you can't have one of the parallel elements be -ing and the other "that". That's a standard GMAT SC snare. Both with the -ing or both with the "that" would be fine.

Does that make sense? Let me know if you have any further questions.

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(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark

Doesn't "comma + with" modify the subject, those?

What's the difference between with comma and without comma in terms of meaning?



(B) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark

Can comma be placed before "whose"?

In the explanation in the boook, B could refer to the layer ot the Canyon, so B cannot be an answer.
It makes sense because of comma?

If comma were not there, would "whose" only refer to canyon?

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New post 05 Jul 2012, 02:16
My attempt at solving this:

A: seems ok, keep it for now
B &C : whose, "whose can refer to only ppl" - thus incorrect
D: been, when read with the remaining sentence seems awkward.
E:,marking ---> technically modifies the previous clause, which makes no sense..

Thus, A wins

Verbal Instructors, please correct if my approach is not correct!

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The problem is not with the - ",with" or ",whose"

The issue is - Colors mark or colors that mark.
In the first underline it sounds as if colors are marking but in reality you are just trying to point out the significance of colors.

Let's try again - Trees have rings that mark the passage of time OR Trees have rings mark the passage of time .

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35. Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark --- with is much free to modify the layers of sediments.

(B) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark --- whose modifies canyon that is not the intended meaning.
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Option A.
In C and D,'been seeing' and 'been able to see' is incorrect tense usage and seems awkward resp.
In B,'whose' modifies the word just before it ie canyon.Whereas it is the 'layers of sediment' which are differently colored.

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COMMA+WITH is usually used when the prepositional phrase such as the one here "with different colors marking..." modifies the verb. In other words, 'COMMA+WITH ' is generally adverbial in nature, while without COMMA the prepositional phrase can refer to noun/noun-phrase , verb or even both.
But in the correct answer choice, I see that prepositional phrase is modifying the noun phrase "sediment in the grand canyon", something I believe I have not not seen in official problems.

Experts please comment how does it work in this case and if there are any examples in any of the official problems.

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35. Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.


tricky one:

let's understand the meaning
people who visited GC have seen layers of sediment.
these layers have different colors
these colors mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.


(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark
with might get one to think that it is incorrect, but the adjectival modifier correctly describes the layers of sediment. so all good.

(B) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark
this one changes the meaning. now the gaping canyon's colors are discussed.

(C) been seeing layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors are markers of
have been seeing - we do not need present perfect progressive. in addition, same error as in B.

(D) been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors marking
have been able to see - changes the meaning, as it is now discussed the ability to see. this is incorrect.

(E) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, marking by different colors
ing modifier is illogical here, as it does not present the result nor the "how" aspect of the preceded action.

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Hi Mike,

Please help with quick question.

Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

(B) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark

In Option 'B', is n't "in the gaping canyon" a vital modifier to layers of sediment ? in which case, can "whose"(non vital modifier) refer to layers of sediment as per touch rule exception to insert vital modifier between noun and non-vital modifier.

Your inputs will help me understand vital modifier better. Please help

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Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark
(B) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark
(C) been seeing layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors are markers of
(D) been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors marking
(E) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, marking by different colors
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Why is option B incorrect ?

As per MGMAT placement of noun modifiers. 'whose' in option B can jump over 'of sediment in the gaping canyon' to modify 'layers'.

How prepositional phrase 'with different.....' in option A modifies 'layers' if not 'whose' modifier in option B.

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I chose E because besides A is wordy and E uses "marking" that modifies layers of sediment,
Please let me know the best answer to this question.
Any response would be appreciated.

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