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e Having achieved

Well, am not 100% sure of this one. I would go ahead with A

A: Correct
B: '.....has had......opted out......' is wrong
D & E: Use of 'having' gives the statement a totally different connotation.
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e Having achieved

it is between A and C ... I think C makes more sense ... when he opted out .. I think He was still successful.

to use past participle .. 2 things need to happen in the past. the very first thing happend inthe past, uses past participle and the second one uses simple past. But here the first thing completly done before second thing stats ... so in this case past participle makes sense..

but in the question, he was still successful when he opted out so I don't think past participle suits in this situation..
please post OE if you have ...
IMO C.

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We typically use have as a main verb with an object to talk about common actions. There are lots of things that we have in English, meaning that we enjoy or experience them. For instance, we can:

have breakfast/lunch/dinner/supper/a bite to eat/a light meal

have a hot or cold drink/a glass of wine/a cup of coffee/some mineral water

have a shower/a bath/a wash and shave

have a rest/a snooze/a siesta/a good sleep/a bad dream

have a walk/a swim/a good time/a nice evening/a day off/a holiday/a good journey/a good trip

have a word with someone/a chat/a conversation/a quarrel/an argument

have a (good) job/some work to do/money/an opportunity/a chance

We use the present perfect tense when we want to connect the present with the (recent) past in some way and this will appear as has had or have had in full forms or as 's had or 've had in contracted forms:

Have they had their breakfast yet? ~ They've had a glass of orange juice, but they haven't had anything to eat yet.

He was in a foul mood when he got back, but now that he's had a shower and a snooze, he's calmed down a bit.

Have you had a nice evening, Barbara? ~ I've had a rotten evening. I had an argument with Tom and I've had enough for one day.

Have you always had hay fever? ~ I've had it every summer since I was 13.

Had had is the past perfect form of have when it is used as a main verb to describe our experiences and actions. We use the past perfect when we are talking about the past and want to refer back to an earlier past time, Madiini. In these examples, note the use of before, after, already and by the time as a trigger for the past perfect. Note also that the contracted form of had had is 'd had.

She'd had a lot to drink and wasn't capable of walking home by herself.

After he'd had a good night's sleep, he felt much better.

She sacked him before he had had a chance to explain his behaviour.

By the time he was twenty he'd already had four different jobs.

Note that past perfect forms are a feature of if-clauses in the third type of conditional sentence when we are explaining past actions or regretting past inaction. Thus, had had is likely to appear in this construction:

If I hadn't had a good education, I would never have got this job.

If she had had children later in life, she would have been a better mother.

If I'd had another ten minutes, I would've finished the examination paper.

Had they had any savings they didn't need, they would've re-paid their son's student loan.

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11 Sep 2009, 09:09
I wasn't sure between A and B. If at the time he had opted out he continued having the success, then the term had had is correct. If there was an interruption between the success and the time he opted out then has had is the correct term.

Am I right?

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E. Having achieved

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I feel the correct answer was Option E.

Couldn't understand the structure of the sentence.

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E. Having achieved

I feel the correct answer was Option E.

Couldn't understand the structure of the sentence.

has/have had is present perfect of 'to have'

Here we have to use past perfect to show the occurrence of previous past event.
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18 Sep 2010, 12:20
gurpreetsingh wrote:
sachinrelan wrote:

E. Having achieved

I feel the correct answer was Option E.

Couldn't understand the structure of the sentence.

has/have had is present perfect of 'to have'

Here we have to use past perfect to show the occurrence of previous past event.

Thanks Gurpreet ...i was also convinced that here past perfect is needed, but what is wrong with option E and D, as "Having acheived" and "Having had" are alternate forms to express past perfect tense and sequence of events.

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18 Sep 2010, 12:28
sachinrelan wrote:
Thanks Gurpreet ...i was also convinced that here past perfect is needed, but what is wrong with option E and D, as "Having acheived" and "Having had" are alternate forms to express past perfect tense and sequence of events.

Having <Verb>-ed is not past perfect tense

Past perfect would be had <verb>-ed
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Hey Sachin,

Shrouded isn't quite right here. Obviously the last two answer choices are not the past perfect tense, but they are legitimate ways to word the sentence. The issue is one of meaning. We want the "though," to express that Howard Stern left EVEN THOUGH he was successful. He didn't leave BECAUSE he'd been successful (that doesn't make any sense), which is the meaning in the last two answer choices.

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Hey Sachin,

Shrouded isn't quite right here. Obviously the last two answer choices are not the past perfect tense, but they are legitimate ways to word the sentence. The issue is one of meaning. We want the "though," to express that Howard Stern left EVEN THOUGH he was successful. He didn't leave BECAUSE he'd been successful (that doesn't make any sense), which is the meaning in the last two answer choices.

Hope that helps!

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Thanks Tommy, it indeed helped me out to understand the meaning of the sentence, but had being used twice in the sentence is really confusing me and what is the meaning it reflects when had is used twice in any sentence.

In between will request you to intermittently follow our forum queries as i have followed your explanations and help in other posts and they are extremely enlightening. A gentle request to you.

Else you can guide us to someone who can help us out with our queries ?

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Well, Tim Sanders (Tommy's colleague ..I think!) gives a good explanation too. Check it out - http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/sc- ... 10137.html

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IMO A but its awkward construction
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I opted for C because at quite a few places I have read that if the order in which events happen is clear then we dont have to use past - perfect tense with past tense to state the order of execution. In this statement use of Though makes its clear that success happened before Mr Stern decided to opt out.

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@ Arundas: I would rather think that the reverse is the right case in grammatical sense. When we are not clear about the order in which events have happened, then it will be safe to describe those actions in simple past. When the timings are clear, the last one has to be in simple past and the earlier one or ones in past perfect.
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I think C is better a choice. We use the construction past participle+past to emphasize the sequence of two actions in the past. But in this example, since the contrast present in the sentence is itself capable of clarifying this sequence, there's no need to make the sentence complex by adding a past perfect. Moreover "even though" is so suitable here since we are talking about a direct contrast, a paradox.
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26 Aug 2011, 11:11
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sandipchowdhury wrote:
Two past actions....
We need to use past perfect for the action that happened before.
So A is the correct answer.

C is not correct .. we cannot use two simple past tenses where the sequence of events is not clear.

Good explanation. I picked the wrong answer (C) but your explanation makes sense.

Who says that the "the sequence of events is not clear"? I don't think so. The contrast makes it clear. Could he first leave the program and then gained fame for his presence. It may be physically possible not not logically.
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26 Aug 2011, 22:17
a very good post from Ron explaining the answer

http://www.beatthegmat.com/though-he-ha ... 43694.html

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C changes the meaning of the sentence. Even though is different from Though. The original choice is grammatically correct and retains the meaning of the original sentence.

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