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Though Homo habilis made blunt cutting tools, Neanderthals fashioned finer implements, tapering from the butt to the point and flaked on two sides, to form the familiar teardrop now paradigmatic of early man.


A. point and flaked on two sides, to form

B. point, flaked on two sides, and formed

C. point, flaking on two sides, that form

D. point, flaking on two sides, forming

E. point and flaked on two sides, form


Tapering is modifying how the Neanderthals fashioned finer implements (verb-ing modifier) so it is correct with a comma pair so option A, E eliminated. To form parallel pairs of fashioned and --- after comma pair there should be a verb-ed form, so option B should be correct and C, D eliminated.
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flaked is parallel to fashioned so I think A.This is a toughie..
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rahul16singh28 wrote:
Can we use comma before infinitive "to" in general. I ruled out A because of this and selected B.


Hey rahul16singh28 ,

It depends on the structure of the sentence. If you are using the information before the "To" infinitive as a modifier such that we do have another comma before the start of the modifier, then it is perfectly fine to use a comma.

For example:

I am drinking water, to get hydrated.

Here, the usage is wrong. You cannot have a comma before "To"

I am drinking water, bought from the market, to get hydrated.

Here the usage is correct because here the comma used is a part of the modifier. If the modifier is removed, the sentence will become I am drinking water to get hydrated.

Does that make sense?
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I think the question is correct as is. A should be the answer.
Tapering... and flaked... both talk about the implements. To form gives a consequence of the before phrases.

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I think the question is correct as is. A should be the answer.
Tapering... and flaked... both talk about the implements. To form gives a consequence of the before phrases.

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I second you, nothing wrong with the original sentence, answer must be (A)
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According to veritas, tapering and flaked are participial phrases linked with “and” giving descriptions of the implements.

However, the verb-ing modifier after a comma modifies preceding clause and associates with subject; it either presents extra information or the result of the clause.

The modifier must be clear and unambiguous what it is modifying and in answer A fails to do that.
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Ksmew wrote:
can you tell me how "Fashioned" and "Flaked" are parallel??(

Hi Ksmew, there is some misunderstanding here. "Fashioned" and "Flaked" are not parallel in this sentence: "Fashioned" is used as a Simple Past Tense verb, while "Flaked" is used as a past participle. A Verb cannot be parallel to a participle.

On the other hand, in the original sentence is correct because "tapering" (a present participle) is parallel to "flaked" (a past participle), both of them modifying "implements".

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses "Simple Past Tense Verb" vs "Past Participle", its application and examples in significant detail. If you or someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section.
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In this context, "tapering" and "tapered" are quite similar. Someone tapered the implements, but the implements themselves also taper from one end to the other. They are tapering. Some words work this way, but most do not. If someone flaked the implement, that means they chipped off flakes of stone to form the current object. But "flaking" implies that flakes are currently coming off, like on a flaky croissant. That is a very different meaning. The tools have been flaked, but they are not flaking. I sanded a table, but it is not sanding. I alphabetized a list, but it is not alphabetizing.
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gloomybison wrote:
Would Choice A be still correct if we said" Neanderthals fashioned finer implements, tapered from the butt to the point and flaking on two sides, to form the familiar teardrop now paradigmatic of early man."

if we change the type of participles would the meaning be altered?


Hello gloomybison,

We hope this finds you well.

Having gone through the question and your query, we believe we can resolve your doubt.

Replacing "tapering" with "tapered" would produce a grammatically correct and logical sentence, but it would slightly change the meaning. The use of the present participle "tapering" conveys that the implements are tapering from the butt to the point in a continuous action; the use of the past participle "tapered" would convey that the implements were tapered by someone in the past - meaning someone made them such that they narrow from the butt to the point. However, the use of the present participle "flaking" would not produce a logical sentence, as it would imply that the implements are currently and continuously "flaking", meaning bits of them are coming off in flakes.

We hope this finds you well.
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What is correct answer? Confused between A & C.... If A then why 'ing' is not required?
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Though Homo habilis made blunt cutting tools, Neanderthals fashioned finer implements, tapering from the butt to the point and flaked on two sides, to form the familiar teardrop now paradigmatic of early man.


A. point and flaked on two sides, to form - whatever behind and after the "and" should be parallel (tapering vs flaked) --> eliminated

B. point, flaked on two sides, and formed

C. point, flaking on two sides, that form - the comma makes "tapering from the butt to the point" a clause that describes the implements. If so, "flaking" is not parallel with "fashioned" --> eliminated

D. point, flaking on two sides, forming --> same as above, "forming" and "fashioned" as well as the change of meaning --> eliminated

E. point and flaked on two sides, form - "flaked" is not parallel with "tapering" before the "and" (like Choice A) --> eliminated

So that leaves us with B.

Please correct my reasoning if it's wrong or not accurate enough.
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Re: Though Homo habilis made blunt cutting tools, Neanderthals fashioned [#permalink]
I think the answer should be A. Only this option conveys the intended meaning correctly. The other options distort the meaning
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abhimahna , I got it. Thanks for explaining.
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sagar43 wrote:
What is correct answer? Confused between A & C.... If A then why 'ing' is not required?


Hey sagar43 ,

C cannot be the correct answer because it is changing the original meaning of the sentence.

As per the original meaning of the sentence, the purpose of "fashioned finer implements" is TO FORM something. So, TO + Verb is Required here.

But C is changing the meaning and saying that fashioned something that can form XYZ. Here, the intention of fashioning has been changed.

Again , to answer your question why "ing" isn't used in option A.

You need to understand "Fashioned" and "Flaked" as || and conveys two activities that "Neanderthals " are doing. But the moment we will change it to "flaking", the meaning of the sentence will be something like "The result of fashioning something" was Flaking on two sides. This is an illogical meaning. Hence, it is incorrect.

Rule: Meaning is the Key to Solve this Question! :-)

Does that make sense?


Hi abhimahna,

Can we use comma before infinitive "to" in general. I ruled out A because of this and selected B.
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Can you guys please explain how "flaked" is a participle, as from my view Neanderthals "fashioned" finer implements, "tapering" from the butt and "flaked" on two sides. Here tapering is a ING modifier as it is modifying the action 'fashioned' which has the subject Neanderthals but flaked seemed to me as a 'verb' as this is what Neanderthals are doing(the action is performed by them).Or is it that here fashioned and flaked are parallel? But Neanderthals flaked on two sides doesn't make sense to me
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Hey rraman -- Great question! This is one of those "ugh why does English occasionally treat words that are spelled the same way as different parts of speech?" questions.

What is easy to get confused on here is that "tapering" could be either a participle or a verb. The way we know that it isn't a verb is that "tapering" is transitive -- it needs a direct object. And since there isn't an obvious direct object after the word tapering, it's going to have to be a participle. Instead of being an action that Neanderthals do, it's a way of describing the implements the Neanderthals built - they're tapered! Based on that, to keep parallelism, "flaked" needs to be a participle as well.

If the sentence had included "tapering the implements and flaking them," or "Neanderthals "fashioned, tapered, and flaked the implements" then the words "tapered/tapering" and "flaked/flaking" would had direct objects so you could use them as verbs. But as it is they're being used to modify the word "implements" and must be participles. :)
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Ignore the first part.

Neanderthals fashioned finer implements, tapering from the butt to the point and flaked on two sides, to form the familiar teardrop now paradigmatic of early man.

A. point and flaked on two sides, to form

B. point, flaked on two sides, and formed

C. point, flaking on two sides, that form

D. point, flaking on two sides, forming

E. point and flaked on two sides, form

the middle part is a modifier, tapering from...., describing the "finer implements"
What is the quality of the implements? "tapering from the butt to the point and flaked on two sides"
One is "ing modifier" and the other one is "ed modifier" so (A) is correct.

(B) is incorrect because flaked is not a verb, it is a ed modifier here
(C) is incorrect because there is no "and", no parallelism
(D) even if you think flaking is correct, 3 "ing" without and "and" also fails at parallelism
(E) verb ... verb incorrect. Neanderthals fashioned ... form. You cannot have two verbs like this without a conjunction
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