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Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble.

(A) Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble
(B) Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe had been reduced to rubble
(C) Timmy had learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble
(D) Timmy has learned about the war in which much of Europe must have been bee reduced to rubble
(E) Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble

Originally posted by sdas on 19 Mar 2013, 00:42.
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Shouldn't the answer be B here? War happened earlier and then Timmy learned about it. As per OA, looks like both could be used with same time frame(tenses). Please suggest.


Past perfect is used only when it is required to clarify the sequence. Following is an excerpt from Manhattan SC guide:

Do not use the perfect tenses when the simple tenses will do. The GMAT prefers simplicity.
Wrong: Joe LEARNED about an epoch in which dinosaurs HAD WALKED the earth.
Right: Joe LEARNED about an epoch in which dinosaurs WALKED the earth.
In the first example, the Past Perfect had walked is unnecessary. Although the action had walked does take place earlier than the action learned, the earlier action does not have a direct bearing on the context of the later action. The sequence of time does not need to be clarified or emphasized. Thus, the Past Perfect is considered wrong in this context.
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Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble


A. .....
B. Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe had been reduced to rubble
C. Timmy had learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble
D, Timmy has learned about the war in which much of Europe must have been bee reduced to rubble
E. Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble

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A,B,C and D conveys the wrong meaning if you think about it.

Simple past is required here. The answer choice E is the best.
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@ratin sequencing of events is required when two event in the past have some bearing over each other .for two random events sequencing is not required .in fact it sounds very awkward !!
the fact the timmy learned about some war (isolated event ) has no bearing on timing of the war so past perfect is wrong here !!
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Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble


A. .....
B. Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe had been reduced to rubble
C. Timmy had learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble
D, Timmy has learned about the war in which much of Europe must have been bee reduced to rubble
E. Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble

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Here, the use of past perfect is not required. The sentence don't want to say "Timmy learned after much of the Europe had been reduced to rubble".
Will you say "I visited a grocery store where most of the items had been costly" or "I visited a grocery store where most of the items were costly"?
I'll go with option E.
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@ratin sequencing of events is required when two event in the past have some bearing over each other .for two random events sequencing is not required .in fact it sounds very awkward !!
the fact the timmy learned about some war (isolated event ) has no bearing on timing of the war so past perfect is wrong here !!


Hi Aditya, the reason why we dont need a past perfect tense here is that 2 events - Timmy learning and war that already happened, have no bearing on each other. If we have to define past perfect tense usage, it is used only for 2 related events where sequencing is essential. In this sentence, sequence is essential, obviously war happened before Timmy learned about the war, but event wise these 2 dont relate to each other, even if Timmy decided not to learn, the war would still have happened (because it already happened in the past and Timmy was not a deciding factor to it)

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Hi Aditya, the reason why we dont need a past perfect tense here is that 2 events - Timmy learning and war that already happened, have no bearing on each other. If we have to define past perfect tense usage, it is used only for 2 related events where sequencing is essential. In this sentence, sequence is essential, obviously war happened before Timmy learned about the war, but event wise these 2 dont relate to each other, even if Timmy decided not to learn, the war would still have happened (because it already happened in the past and Timmy was not a deciding factor to it)

so i said they have no bearing on each other !!
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Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble


A. .....
B. Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe had been reduced to rubble
C. Timmy had learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble
D, Timmy has learned about the war in which much of Europe must have been bee reduced to rubble
E. Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble

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There are 2 events here:
Event 1: A war X reduced Europe to rubble
Event 2: Timmy learned about the war X

These 2 events are very much related and should have sequencing in place. It can never happen that Timmy learned about the war before the war actually happened. Hence Past perfect should be used.
So my choice would be Option:B, in which Event 1 is Past Perfect(Europe reduced to rubble) and Event 2 in Simple Past ( Timmy learned about the war)

Experts please comment if my understanding is correct
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Shouldn't the answer be B here? War happened earlier and then Timmy learned about it. As per OA, looks like both could be used with same time frame(tenses). Please suggest.
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Why should we have to accept such a war has already occurred? In fact, much of Europe has not been reduced to rubble either in the WWI or in WW2. On the contrary, Europe emerged stronger from these wars.
Therefore, IMO, such a war is yet to occur and hence a future tense is the correct tense to describe such an eventuality.

On the basis of logical tense alone one may dump B, C and E. D is dubious and suspect. It is only hunching that Europe must have been reduced to rubble. Therefore A.
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Why should we have to accept such a war has already occurred? In fact, much of Europe has not been reduced to rubble either in the WWI or in WW2. On the contrary, Europe emerged stronger from these wars.
Therefore, IMO, such a war is yet to occur and hence a future tense is the correct tense to describe such an eventuality.

On the basis of logical tense alone one may dump B, C and E. D is dubious and suspect. It is only hunching that Europe must have been reduced to rubble. Therefore A.



Very interesting thought but if you say that such a war is yet to occur why would the author use -- is learning about the war? Wouldn't there be an indication such as "a probable war".
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We understand that there has been no such war in the past. Nor is there one now. Hence, the only possibility is a future war. Aren’t most of our studies whether in history or in astrophysics are some way related to our gaining an insight into the future? Let's look at this; Theses days I am learning seriously about numismatics since I will want to be a collector when I go on a global tour two years hence. Alternatively, as in - I am dreaming of the day when INR will be equal to USD-. Are these expressions not acceptable? Except for the use of 'will', there is no other future - tense marker and I feel any further future - marker may render it redundant. My single observation is that it is wrong to fold up saying that such things should be only referring to past time and not necessarily to present or future.
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Why can't we stick with the original ; Tim is learning about the war.... is there somthing wrng with the -ing form
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Why can't we stick with the original ; Tim is learning about the war.... is there somthing wrng with the -ing form


Hi garima0814,
Present continuous is used to describe an ongoing event. Generally, you won't see this tense on a correct answer on the GMAT. Also,the bigger issue is that as per A, the war has not occurred yet.

Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble.

(A) Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble - Incorrect - How can you learn about a war that has not happened yet (Unless people can predict the future with certainty or maybe time travel :-D )
(B) Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe had been reduced to rubble - Usage of past perfect is incorrect as the events are not dependent
(C) Timmy had learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble - Incorrect - issue with timeline and tense
(D) Timmy has learned about the war in which much of Europe must have been bee reduced to rubble Incorrect - issue with timeline and usage of present perfect
(E) Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble - Correct

Answer E
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The verb 'learning' and 'reduced' are not related. Hence, the usage of 'had' is incorrect.
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Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble.

(A) Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble
(B) Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe had been reduced to rubble
(C) Timmy had learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble
(D) Timmy has learned about the war in which much of Europe must have been bee reduced to rubble
(E) Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble


My doubts on the above choices

What if the choice D "Tim has learned about the war in which much of the Europe must have been reduced to rubble" is tweaked a bit and now is "Tim has learned about the war in which much of the Europe was reduced to rubble". won't it be correct. The present perfect tense used here signifies that the action of learning happened in the past but we dont know when. In this case which one of D and E would be considered better.
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garima0814 wrote:
Why can't we stick with the original ; Tim is learning about the war.... is there somthing wrng with the -ing form


Hi garima0814,
Present continuous is used to describe an ongoing event. Generally, you won't see this tense on a correct answer on the GMAT. Also,the bigger issue is that as per A, the war has not occurred yet.

Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble.

(A) Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble - Incorrect - How can you learn about a war that has not happened yet (Unless people can predict the future with certainty or maybe time travel :-D )

Answer E


Hi, actually this is not totally true in my opinion.
The sentence says that "Europe will be reduced to rubble" in the future, but nothing is said about whether the war started or not. Hypothetically, there could be a war started one year ago that still goes on; taking into account the current situation, the war is supposed to reduce Europe to rubble in the future.
Does this make sense?
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sdas wrote:
Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble.

(A) Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble
(B) Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe had been reduced to rubble
(C) Timmy had learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble
(D) Timmy has learned about the war in which much of Europe must have been bee reduced to rubble
(E) Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble


My doubts on the above choices

What if the choice D "Tim has learned about the war in which much of the Europe must have been reduced to rubble" is tweaked a bit and now is "Tim has learned about the war in which much of the Europe was reduced to rubble". won't it be correct. The present perfect tense used here signifies that the action of learning happened in the past but we dont know when. In this case which one of D and E would be considered better.


If D is changed to "Tim has learned about the war in which much of the Europe was reduced to rubble", this can be correct. IMO D wrong because of "must have been reduced"... So If D is changed as you said, both D & E can be accepted. I am glad if anyone can correct me if I am wrong :lol:
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Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble.


Main idea -> Timmy, these days is learning about wars which happened in the past.

(A) Timmy is learning about the war in which much of Europe will be reduced to rubble
Well, the war is not going to happen in the future, Illogical

(B) Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe had been reduced to rubble
had been over simple past, i will eliminate this for the latter.

(C) Timmy had learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble
This is illogical, why didn't Timmy save Europe, if he was able to predict it beforehand -> Out

(D) Timmy has learned about the war in which much of Europe must have been bee reduced to rubble
Not sure, why present perfect tense, is used in this option, i could have said this in simple past as well

(E) Timmy learned about the war in which much of Europe was reduced to rubble
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Could someone specify why B is incorrect?

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