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RAHUL_GMAT I addressed this in your other post, but the short version is that this is not a rule. E does not convey the meaning well, but there's nothing grammatically wrong with saying "that originate and ricochet . . . . and that travel," as long as there is a reason not to put all three terms into a simple list. For the record, we can also say "I play and I sing."
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New post 30 Sep 2015, 06:11
Ans E?
A,B and C are modifying the interior and not the waves.
D is not parallel.
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meaning relation beteen main clause and comma+doing is varied. So, it is very hard for us to choose between "and do" and "comma+doing" . try to avoid to consider the meaning relation between main clause and comma+doing if we can do so.

comma+doing can show : result of main clause , detail of main clause or method of main clause.

doing and action in main clause can be considered THE SAME.

very hard.
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I was stuck b/w C and E.

In C, I thought that there is ambiguity on who is travelling => the waves or geologists. So, I thought that was wrong.
Can someone explain why is this right then.


A present participle modifier refers to the subject of the preceding clause or the entire preceding clause.

In this case the clause " that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its interior" is the preceding clause, and hence the present participle modifier "traveling most rapidly...." refers to the subject "that" of the previous clause; the pronoun "that" here is used to replace "waves".

Consider that the entire present participle modifier "traveling most rapidly...." is nested within the relative clause "that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its.......through hotter rocks."

You are right in thinking that there could be a bit of ambiguity since the present participle clause "travelling...." could refer to "Geologists", if one considers that it is outside the relative clause "that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its.......through hotter rocks." However in that case we would have to choose E as the correct answer, which has a more severe problem as follows:

E is wrong because two clauses are joined just with "and" not with comma + "and".

Wrong: I play and I sing
Right: I play, and I sing
Right: I play and sing.

Similarly,
Wrong: that originate and ricochet and that travel
Right: that originate and ricochet, and that travel
Right: that originate, ricochet and travel

Moreover option E does not depict the bearing between ricocheting and travelling and considers them as two different activities.


Thanks, that was useful.
I never considered comma as main decision point until now. Will note this point.
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Hi expert,
I would like ask for your thought about option B.
In my 2 cents,"which" could rightly modifies seismic waves.What's wrong is that we now have two modifiers back-to-back--"that originate...," and "which travel most ...".

Is my reasoning correct?
Also,if we want to modifies the same thing,do we always have to use the same relative pronoun--either both "that" or both "which"?

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To map Earth's interior, geologists use a network of seismometers to chart seismic waves that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower through hotter rocks.

(A) interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower - Incorrect parallelism between 'most rapidly travelling' and 'slower'. It must be 'travelling most rapidly and more slowly...'

(B) interior, which travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions, and more slowly - Incorrect because 'which' is modifying 'interior' and it does not make sense. It should modify 'waves'.

(C) interior, traveling most rapidly through cold, dense regions and more slowly - Correct. Verb+ing modifying the waves. And parallelism is maintained between 'most rapidly' and 'more slowly'. Verb ING applies to both now.

(D) interior and most rapidly travel through cold, dense regions, and slower - Tempting but incorrect. Parallelism lost as mentioned in option A.

(E) interior and that travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions and slower - Tempting but incorrect. Not confident but parallelism not clear. Not sure of meaning error here. Please assist. GMATNinja
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I considered cold,dense region and slower as parallel
So I rejected more slowly
Since if cold,dense region and slower are not parallel as per the intended meaning mentioned in above post
Don't we need a and between cold and dense region since both are separate
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teaser,

"cold, dense" are coordinate adjectives that do not require conjunction between them.

Please google 'coordinate adjectives" and get the correct picture.

About B:

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To map Earth's interior, geologists use a network of seismometers to chart seismic waves that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its interior, which travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions, and more slowly through hotter rocks.


The simple way to eliminate choice B is for the wrong reference of the pronoun 'which". Earth's interior cannot travel and therefore the pronoun's placement next to 'interior' is a lethal flaw. As we may see, the relative pronoun cannot jump over the verb 'originate' and refer to the waves.

One point in C about the modification of the present participle preceded by a comma should be kept in mind. If there are two clauses before the comma +verbing modifier, we must be always being concerned about the subject and the action of the immediate previous clause and not the farther clause. It would not matter whether the previous clause is a relative clause or a subordinate clause. In the given context, 'geologists', the subject of the main clause, has no locus standi to be in contention with 'waves'.

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To map Earth's interior, geologists use a network of seismometers to chart seismic waves that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower through hotter rocks.

(A) interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower

(B) interior, which travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions, and more slowly

(C) interior, traveling most rapidly through cold, dense regions and more slowly

(D) interior and most rapidly travel through cold, dense regions, and slower

(E) interior and that travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions and slower


IMO C

In this scientists are using a network of seismometers to chart seismic waves that originate and which region does it traverse through
With this in mind

(A) interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower
Parallelism is lost, most rapidly, it should be slowly

(B) interior, which travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions, and more slowly
Ambiguous referent of which ->Out

(C) interior, traveling most rapidly through cold, dense regions and more slowly
Correct Answer

(D) interior and most rapidly travel through cold, dense regions, and slower
Parallelism is lost, most rapidly, it should be slowly

(E) interior and that travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions and slower ->Out
and that, IMO means that there are two waves which are moving
one which originated and the one which travel
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To map Earth's interior, geologists use a network of seismometers to chart seismic waves that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower through hotter rocks.


(A) interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower (most rapidly is not parallel with slower)

(B) interior, which travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions, and more slowly (,Which modifying interior. Q. Can interior travel most rapidly? (wrong)

(C) interior, traveling most rapidly through cold, dense regions and more slowly ( Sub+Verb,...., Verb+ing)--> Cause and effect. Correctly use. Correct answer.

(D) interior and most rapidly travel through cold, dense regions, and slower (most rapidly is not parallel with slower)

(E) interior and that travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions and slower(most rapidly is not parallel with slower)
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To map Earth`s interior, geologists use a network of seismometers to chart seismic waves that "originate" in the earth`s crust and ricochet around its interior???"traveling" most rapidly through cold, dense regions and more slowly.

Why C option with modifier Traveling with -ing but the previous verb "originate" doesn't use -ing modifier as the original article - (refer to the second sentence) http://discovermagazine.com/1996/nov/ho ... dspotsb935?
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To map Earth's interior, geologists use a network of seismometers to chart seismic waves that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower through hotter rocks.


(A) interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower

(B) interior, which travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions, and more slowly

(C) interior, traveling most rapidly through cold, dense regions and more slowly

(D) interior and most rapidly travel through cold, dense regions, and slower

(E) interior and that travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions and slower

This is a parallelism concept question, So Correct answer is most rapidly .....................more slowly

So eliminate A,D,E

Between B and C ,

B say Interior, which travel most rapidly: It means interior which is traveling which is wrong. So correct answer is C.
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rukna wrote:
I was stuck b/w C and E.

In C, I thought that there is ambiguity on who is travelling => the waves or geologists. So, I thought that was wrong.
Can someone explain why is this right then.


A present participle modifier refers to the subject of the preceding clause or the entire preceding clause.

In this case the clause " that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its interior" is the preceding clause, and hence the present participle modifier "traveling most rapidly...." refers to the subject "that" of the previous clause; the pronoun "that" here is used to replace "waves".

Consider that the entire present participle modifier "traveling most rapidly...." is nested within the relative clause "that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its.......through hotter rocks."

You are right in thinking that there could be a bit of ambiguity since the present participle clause "travelling...." could refer to "Geologists", if one considers that it is outside the relative clause "that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its.......through hotter rocks." However in that case we would have to choose E as the correct answer, which has a more severe problem as follows:

E is wrong because two clauses are joined just with "and" not with comma + "and".

Wrong: I play and I sing
Right: I play, and I sing
Right: I play and sing.

Similarly,
Wrong: that originate and ricochet and that travel
Right: that originate and ricochet, and that travel
Right: that originate, ricochet and travel

Moreover option E does not depict the bearing between ricocheting and travelling and considers them as two different activities.



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Can someone please explain , what is wrong with option A ?
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To map Earth's interior, geologists use a network of seismometers to chart seismic waves that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower through hotter rocks.


(A) interior, most rapidly traveling through cold, dense regions and slower

(B) interior, which travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions, and more slowly

(C) interior, traveling most rapidly through cold, dense regions and more slowly

(D) interior and most rapidly travel through cold, dense regions, and slower

(E) interior and that travel most rapidly through cold, dense regions and slower

This is a parallelism concept question, So Correct answer is most rapidly .....................more slowly

So eliminate A,D,E

In D and E, By using "and" means both side should be parallel but interior and most rapidly WRONG. we need a comma before and, same issue with E.

Between B and C ,

B say Interior, which travel most rapidly: It means interior which is traveling which is wrong. So correct answer is C.
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In C, isn't the "traveling most rapidly" modifies the subject of preceding which is geologists?
I don't know how to figure out that the subject in this case is seismic waves. Can anyone help?
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I got this question wrong and I hope someone can explain why the answer is (c).
So according to e-gmat (article link: https://gmatclub.com/forum/usage-of-ver ... 35220.html), if the verb-ing modifier appears after a clause and is preceded by a comma, then it modifies the entire preceding clause.
If this is true, shouldn't "traveling most rapidly through... slowly" in (c) should modify the clause "geologist use a network... around its interior"?
And if so, (c) doesn't make sense as a correct answer. I'm really confused, any help will be appreciated, thanks!
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sayantanc2k wrote:

A present participle modifier refers to the subject of the preceding clause or the entire preceding clause.

In this case the clause " that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its interior" is the preceding clause, and hence the present participle modifier "traveling most rapidly...." refers to the subject "that" of the previous clause; the pronoun "that" here is used to replace "waves".

Consider that the entire present participle modifier "traveling most rapidly...." is nested within the relative clause "that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its.......through hotter rocks."

You are right in thinking that there could be a bit of ambiguity since the present participle clause "travelling...." could refer to "Geologists", if one considers that it is outside the relative clause "that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its.......through hotter rocks." However in that case we would have to choose E as the correct answer, which has a more severe problem as follows:

E is wrong because two clauses are joined just with "and" not with comma + "and".

Wrong: I play and I sing
Right: I play, and I sing
Right: I play and sing.

Similarly,
Wrong: that originate and ricochet and that travel
Right: that originate and ricochet, and that travel
Right: that originate, ricochet and travel

Moreover option E does not depict the bearing between ricocheting and travelling and considers them as two different activities.


Thanks, that was useful.
I never considered comma as main decision point until now. Will note this point.


Nonetheless, in a real GMAT question I have never come across an answer being eliminated ONLY because of punctuation issues.


You are right about the answer, according to GMAT, but you are wrong about the reasoning.

"I play and I sing" is as correct as "I play, and I sing."

Adding a comma before using a conjunction to separate two independent clauses is not necessary; that's just a rule some, but not all, writing guides have adopted. Hence, I don't think the GMAT would test you on this.

But even if you had to add a comma before a conjunction separating two independent clauses - even if that was the rule - it still would not apply here. In answer choice E, there's not two independent clauses. That _______ is not an independent clause. For example, "I hate that you don't understand this and that you don't even ask questions during class" is correctly written. Adding a comma would be incorrect. A clause starting with "that" followed by the subject of the sentence can never stand on its own, and thus it is never an independent clause.

Here though, there might be wordy to say that originate and ricochet and that travels. There's the double use of and in the sentence. Thats's wordy[,] and I think that is why E is not the correct answer.
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I got this question wrong and I hope someone can explain why the answer is (c).
So according to e-gmat (article link: https://gmatclub.com/forum/usage-of-ver ... 35220.html), if the verb-ing modifier appears after a clause and is preceded by a comma, then it modifies the entire preceding clause.
If this is true, shouldn't "traveling most rapidly through... slowly" in (c) should modify the clause "geologist use a network... around its interior"?
And if so, (c) doesn't make sense as a correct answer. I'm really confused, any help will be appreciated, thanks!

Your understanding of how VERB-ing modifiers operate when they follow CLAUSE + COMMA is correct, but in this case, you've got the wrong clause. Take another look at the relevant portion:

    "...geologists use a network of seismometers to chart seismic waves that originate in the earth's crust and ricochet around its interior, traveling most rapidly through cold, dense regions..."

The clause that precedes "traveling" is "that [waves] originate in the earth's crust and ricochet..." It makes perfect sense for "traveling most rapidly through cold dense regions," to provide additional context about what the waves are doing when they're ricocheting around, so (C) is fine.

The takeaway: when you see COMMA + VERB-ing, it's possible there will be multiple preceding clauses. Make sure you're evaluating the correct one.

I hope that helps!
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For option C, I eliminated it because I thought the verb-ing modifies geologists. Usually on GMAT comma + verb-ing modifier (Gerund I think its called) modifies the subject of the sentence. Can you please shed a light on this issue. Why "traveling" modifies waves?

More importantly - if we are presented with the main clause and substantive clause, does comma + verb-ing modifies the closest clause or the clause that MAKES sense with it?

Substantitive + main, verb-ing. Can here verb-ing modify substantitative clause noun if it makes sense to modify it or it has to modify main noun?
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