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18 Jun 2012, 05:40
asimov wrote:
you have the starting salary spot on. some of the LDPs come with pretty good perks on top of the salary as well. the standard annual raise is 4-8% excluding the performance based bonus. when you get promoted, you get a pay pump as well (since promotions are build in, you can expect your salary to go up faster than 4-8%). it's hard to gauge the pay 5 years out, but I would put it at around 170-220K.

as a follow up... on the LDPs with exit positions as director or GM, is there a general range of what the starting salary for that position would be? I know it would be different by company but is there a general range?

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20 Jun 2012, 06:13
2 questions:

1) Why few MBA grads opt for LDP - LDP offers good salary and opportunities to quickly rise(which in turn means more power and more increase in salary in less time)
2) What is difference b/w rotational / non-rotational & which is better

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20 Jun 2012, 08:09
Great info. Thanks.

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20 Jun 2012, 09:04
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The low number in LDPs is because there aren’t that many LDP spots out there. In the case, of LDP vs non-LDP cross offers, I think LDP wins out most of the time.

I think you meant non-LDPs win most of the time

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1) The industry/role doesn’t typically have LDP programs. For example, those interested in entrepreneurship, marketing in CPG companies, consulting, investment banking.

I am from semiconductor industry so it would be great if can get some comparitively good paying job in same field post-mba. I decided to do involve in pure MBA domains e.g. marketing, invest banking etc. because i thought semiconductor domain does not have equally good paying opportunities after MBA. Is it true ??

Thanks to you who provided info about Intel LDP. Also, if i work in semiconductor domain my work exp. (4yrs + few patents) will be considered. Are there any other good programs for me

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2) Some married people cannot handle the rotational nature of LDPs. Although some LDPs allow participants to only rotate roles and not location.
3) The location of the rotations may not be attractive. This is especially true of manufacturing companies, in which the factories aren’t located in big metropolises.

i am an avid traveler and what better than relocating on company's expenses. I know it will not be easy once i am married but me and my gf are up for it

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4) The LDP isn’t a real LDP. For example, Citi’s rotational program only rotates people, but does not provide any other benefits.

I did not get this, do you mean LDP has lower pay scale

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benefits outweigh the downsides

I fully agree to such an extent that i can discount few \$K to get into a rotational program. One Question here: lets say i get in to INTEL's rotational LDP, go through all fields and decide to work in Finance in Intel. After working for few years, can i switch to pure financial mgmt. company lets say JP Morgan. Just a vague thought, wanted to know how different is a particular domain (finance here) in different industries (intel & JP Morgan) and how difficult it would be to switch b/w companies

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20 Jun 2012, 10:05
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I think you meant non-LDPs win most of the time
Situation: A student has an offer for a LDP position, and another offer for an analyst position (non-LDP). The student is more likely to take the LDP offer.
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I did not get this, do you mean LDP has lower pay scale
Some company's LDP is a LDP in name only. Any company can create a LDP, but the responsibilities, career progressions, and other benefits are not the same.

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20 Jun 2012, 10:09
Asimov - I know there are a wide variety of LDPs and how good they are depend on one's specific needs - but can you comment on which LDPs are generally considered more reputable and have a better career progression?

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20 Jun 2012, 11:38
thanks asimov, your replies will help many of us to make well-informed decisions. Two questions:

1) I am from semiconductor industry(4+yrs and few patents) so it would be great if can get comparitively good paying job in same field post-mba. I decided to do involve in pure MBA domains e.g. marketing, invest banking etc. because i thought semiconductor domain does not have equally good paying opportunities (vs consulting, marketing) after MBA. Is it true ?? and what are good LDPs for me

2) lets say i get in to INTEL's rotational LDP, get through all rotations and decide to work in Finance in Intel. After working for few years, can i switch to pure financial mgmt. company lets say JP Morgan. Just a vague thought, wanted to know how different is a particular domain (finance here) in different industries (intel & JP Morgan) and how difficult it would be to switch b/w companies

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20 Jun 2012, 12:49
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Asimov - I know there are a wide variety of LDPs and how good they are depend on one's specific needs - but can you comment on which LDPs are generally considered more reputable and have a better career progression?

I, along with riverripper, think the smaller LDPs tend to be better. I don't have an extensive list of LDPs, since many do not publish. Given my interactions here at Fuqua, I feel the following:
Some of good LDPs I’ve come across:
• Sears – medium class size with mentorship and director level exit.
• Tenet – small class size (~4) with mentorship, hospital CEO within 5 years.
• HCA – small class size (~4) with mentorship, hospital CFO within 5 years.
• Nissan – small class size (~5) with mentorship, director level exit.

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thanks asimov, your replies will help many of us to make well-informed decisions. Two questions:

1) I am from semiconductor industry(4+yrs and few patents) so it would be great if can get comparitively good paying job in same field post-mba. I decided to do involve in pure MBA domains e.g. marketing, invest banking etc. because i thought semiconductor domain does not have equally good paying opportunities (vs consulting, marketing) after MBA. Is it true ?? and what are good LDPs for me

2) lets say i get in to INTEL's rotational LDP, get through all rotations and decide to work in Finance in Intel. After working for few years, can i switch to pure financial mgmt. company lets say JP Morgan. Just a vague thought, wanted to know how different is a particular domain (finance here) in different industries (intel & JP Morgan) and how difficult it would be to switch b/w companies

1. I'm not completely understanding what you are asking. But if pay is your primary objective, industry in general doesn't pay as well as consulting or investment banking (but you also work less hours). But you should live pretty comfortably on a salary from a top tier MBA program.
2. I really don't know the transition into financial service post industry.

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20 Jun 2012, 17:33
what are the average work hours,starting pay post-mba, average annual increment, bonus/perks for industry vs consulting vs investment banking

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22 Jun 2012, 03:59
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what are the average work hours,starting pay post-mba, average annual increment, bonus/perks for industry vs consulting vs investment banking

Industry
This is incredibly variable.

Consulting
Check out www.managementconsulted.com.

Investment Banking
Check out www.mergersandinquisitions.com.

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22 Jun 2012, 09:20
I know Genetech has some good LDPs. Was talking with some guy from Wharton who was doing a marketing rotation and he seemed pretty happy with it

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22 Jun 2012, 09:38
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vikram4689 wrote:
what are the average work hours,starting pay post-mba, average annual increment, bonus/perks for industry vs consulting vs investment banking

Industry
This is incredibly variable.

Consulting
Check out http://www.managementconsulted.com.

Investment Banking
Check out http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com.

each consulting company's salary is much greater than average of most of b-schools. Is it always the case ?? If yes, which jobs bring down the average (just wanted to know so as to know that i dont want to get into that)

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23 Jun 2012, 19:44
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each consulting company's salary is much greater than average of most of b-schools. Is it always the case ?? If yes, which jobs bring down the average (just wanted to know so as to know that i dont want to get into that)
If money is the most important thing that you care about, there are better ways to earn that money than getting an MBA.

Thanks everyone for the great responses. I'm looking to advance my career in Asia, specifically, China. Does anyone have insights into how to best navigate the corporate ladder in China?

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24 Jun 2012, 04:27
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each consulting company's salary is much greater than average of most of b-schools. Is it always the case ?? If yes, which jobs bring down the average (just wanted to know so as to know that i dont want to get into that)
If money is the most important thing that you care about, there are better ways to earn that money than getting an MBA.

Thanks everyone for the great responses. I'm looking to advance my career in Asia, specifically, China. Does anyone have insights into how to best navigate the corporate ladder in China?

At least i am not faking which is clearly evident about you from your profile using name & pic of famous Basket baller and Harvard Grad Jeremy Lin

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26 Jun 2012, 09:53
On a completely different note. This thread just made the "Best Forum Posts June 14, 2012".

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27 Jun 2012, 18:05
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I know Genetech has some good LDPs. Was talking with some guy from Wharton who was doing a marketing rotation and he seemed pretty happy with it

I've heard mixed things about Genentech. It seems like it probably depends on what product you end up on.
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28 Jun 2012, 07:36
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I've heard mixed things about Genentech. It seems like it probably depends on what product you end up on.
I have to concur with highhopes. Genentech only converted 1 out 4 Fuqua summer intern offer. Conversion rate can be an indication of the quality of the program. In general, very few people at the company will tell you that their company is bad, unless you have a strong personal relationship. Of course, there are other reasons for low conversion; for example, unattractive location (probably not the case for Genentech).

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28 Jun 2012, 09:17
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highhopes wrote:
I've heard mixed things about Genentech. It seems like it probably depends on what product you end up on.
I have to concur with highhopes. Genentech only converted 1 out 4 Fuqua summer intern offer. Conversion rate can be an indication of the quality of the program. In general, very few people at the company will tell you that their company is bad, unless you have a strong personal relationship. Of course, there are other reasons for low conversion; for example, unattractive location (probably not the case for Genentech).

I am interested in their program, and Genentech has a good reputation for taking care of their employees.
Did it change with Roche's acquisition? I don't know.

Do you mean that 4 summer inters with Genentech were offered a full time position but only 1 accepted it?
Do you know why the conversion rate was low from Fuqua?

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28 Jun 2012, 18:07
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I've heard mixed things about Genentech. It seems like it probably depends on what product you end up on.
I have to concur with highhopes. Genentech only converted 1 out 4 Fuqua summer intern offer. Conversion rate can be an indication of the quality of the program. In general, very few people at the company will tell you that their company is bad, unless you have a strong personal relationship. Of course, there are other reasons for low conversion; for example, unattractive location (probably not the case for Genentech).

I am interested in their program, and Genentech has a good reputation for taking care of their employees.
Did it change with Roche's acquisition? I don't know.

Do you mean that 4 summer inters with Genentech were offered a full time position but only 1 accepted it?
Do you know why the conversion rate was low from Fuqua?

Some companies hire strictly out of their intern class and frequently in these situations, if you don't do badly you will likely get an offer. Genentech doesn't fall into this boat. From what I know, you have a 50/50 shot of getting a full time offer coming out of an internship. So there are good people that don't get offers.

I wasn't really referring to this when I commented, however. What I had heard is more along the lines that the way their marketing is structured, you might have a gigantic avastin team (as an example) and you might get stuck working on something not that meaningful. I also did talk to a guy that interned right after the acquisition and he said he probably would not have gone back except that he just happened to have an opportunity experience-wise that he thought was really good. It sounds like it's more bureaucratic than it used to be. I don't think it's necessarily an issue of Genentech not being a good company to work for, just that there might be better opportunities out there.
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29 Jun 2012, 04:57
2 queries guys:
1. What are the chances of a person from a non-similar background to land into LDP. For e.g. What would be the chances of an Indian IT male to land into LDP of an Healthcare company. (keeping other factors aside e.g selective nature of LDP )

2. What are common traits that companies look for LDP positions. Asking this so that i can focus on these during my MBA

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