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# #Top150 CR: Smithtown University's fund-raisers succeeded in getting

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14 Mar 2017, 03:24
sayantanc2k wrote:
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Hi SayantanC - can you please explain how A is correct.

A just states that students were successful in contacting potentail donors which is already given in argument. Cant understand how it suports the argument.
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Option A: The success rate of Smiths students with unlikely donors = success rate of other Univ students with unlikely donors (much less than 80% - implied.) This confirms that with unlikely donors Smiths students efforts are not 80%, but as same as the % success rate of the other Univ students.

Option A implies that the fact that the Smiths students are achieving 80% is not because of their effort, but because they are not targeting unlikely donors. Otherwise their success rate would be lower.

(In a way the passage implies that a low success rate is an indication of proper effort.)

has a small doubt here, wouldn't " The success rate of Smiths students with unlikely donors = success rate of other Univ students with unlikely donors (much less than 80% - implied.)" say that they are doing better than the other university student as the conversion rate of unlikely donor is same, where as they have a higher conversion rate for repeating donor. which would imply that canvassing efforts if not good at par with other university.
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How do you rule out C? If most donors donated without being contacted, then clearly the Smithtown University's fundraisers haven't done a good enough job of expanding their donor base? And this would mean inadequate canvassing effort?

Premise: high success rate
Conclusion: insufficient canvassing effect

The correct option must attack the link between the premise and conclusion. Option C has no relevance to the premise as such (because this option tries to relate not contacting donors with insufficient canvassing effect, whereas the original argument is concerning the relation between high success rate and insufficient canvassing effect). Therefore C is not the correct option.

On the contrary, option C could be a weakening statement. It may imply that the 80% success rate came mostly from donors who did not contribute before. This in turn implies that the sudents actually did a good job contacting new donors and succeeding in getting donations from them.

Option C states:-
This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

So how can we imply "It may imply that the 80% success rate came mostly from donors who did not contribute before."?

Why did you take only a part of option C? Take option C in full and then you would probably realize why C may be weakening:

Option C: This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors..

This implies that these donations do not constitute a part of the success rate of the fund-raisers (since they were donated without contacting the donors). Thus the rest of the donations (which constitute the 80% success rate of the fund-raisers) may as well ( though not conclusively) comprise of a significant number of donors who did not donate before, indicating in turn proper canvasing effort.
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07 Apr 2017, 03:53
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IMO why A could be correct is because other students were also able to get the funds from those donors as easily as the students from Smithtown University. So this shows that the students from Smithtown University did not do any extra efforts as compared to the students from other universities else the funds given to these students would have been more as compared to the funds given to other students.

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01 Jun 2017, 00:37
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Smithtown University's fund-raisers succeeded in getting donations from 80 percent of the potential donors they contacted. This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. On the contrary, since the people most likely to donate are those who have donated in the past, good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Which of the following, if true, provides more support for the argument?

(A) Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

(B) This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university's fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before.

(C) This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

(D) The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before.

(E) More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University's fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university.

What would strengthen the conclusion is the argument that the success rate is exaggerated compared to what would really expect from a good canvassing. In other words even in a good canvassing one does not get such success rate and if a canvassing gets such high success rate it is not doing the right thing

Only choice A supports this because it shows in reality in the case of donations from unknown people the success rate is pretty much as that of the other universities and that the the fundraisers were more focusing on people who had given before and that is the reason for high success rate but insufficient canvassing
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17 Jun 2017, 09:08
WHY C is not the right answer? any explanation?
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17 Jun 2017, 14:02
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WHY C is not the right answer? any explanation?

Hi, looking through the thread will explain why C is wrong. Let me know, if you can't find it.

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23 Jan 2018, 19:39
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Smithtown University's fund-raisers succeeded in getting donations from 80 percent of the potential donors they contacted. This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. On the contrary, since the people most likely to donate are those who have donated in the past, good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Which of the following, if true, provides more support for the argument?

A. Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

B. This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university's fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before.

C. This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

D. The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before.

E. More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University's fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university.

Hi chetan,

can you please elaborate how option A strengthens this Argument!

Hi,

lets see the choice A..
A. Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

Clearly the lower % would be because of greater canvassing effect..

let me give some numeric values and explain ..

(I) % of OLD donors making payment = 100%
S contacted 100 people and they could get donors from 80 of them..
NOW choice tells us that S could get funds from NEW donors as frequently as OTHERS..
say 25 were new donors and ONLY 20% gave funds-- It is going to be same for S as well as OTHERS..
so S got funds from 75 out of 75 of OLD donors and 5 out of 25 NEW ones..

(II) lets see OTHERS--
now % of donors making payments is less than 80..
say 60%..
we know that OLD donors are more likely in both cases and we have taken it 100% for ease of understanding and the OUTCOME of contact with NEW also has been the same - 20%..
so our equation becomes--
$$\frac{100}{100} *x +(100-x)*\frac{20}{100}= 60$$
so x = 50..
this shows this institute recieved funds from 50 old donors and CONTACTED 50 new donors out of which 10 gave funds.. THUS canvassing effect of this institute was more than S..

similarly lesser the %, more the CANVASSING

Have you inferred in (ii) case that the % of donors making payments has to be compulsorily less than 80% from the premise: "This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers"... I guess so, and if so, good explanation.
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13 Feb 2018, 14:41
In option C, donations from previous donors without contacting them for donations. This shows that the canvassing efforts were insufficient and only the previous donors donated as the argument says. Am I missing something?
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