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Smithtown University's fund-raisers succeeded in getting donations from 80 percent of the potential donors they contacted. This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. On the contrary, since the people most likely to donate are those who have donated in the past, good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Which of the following, if true, provides more support for the argument?

(A) Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

(B) This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university's fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before.

(C) This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

(D) The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before.

(E) More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University's fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university.
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18 Dec 2011, 06:36
The argument claims Smithtown's unusually high success rate in fundraising was due to farming known donors rather than canvassing potential new donors. We are asked to identify support for this argument.

A - States Smithtown fund-raisers were no more successful with new donors than other universities. We can conclude that the majority of their excess success was from known previous donors. This supports the argument and is the correct choice.
B - Average size of donation is outside the scope of argument.
C - Claims most repeat donors were not contacted by the fund-raisers. This is outside the scope of argument, which is about success rates. However, if anything, this would tend to weaken the argument as if there are many repeat donors not contacted, one might assume the fund-raisers were therefore focusing on contacting new donors.
D - Directly weakens the argument.
E - Directly weakens the argument.
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Moderators and experts, kindly help! What is the OA? We have a different OA on this page and on smithtown-university-s-fund-raisers-succeeded-in-getting-78924.html.

THe question is same on both links though.
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Smithtown University's fund-raisers succeeded in getting donations from 80 percent of the potential donors they contacted. This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. On the contrary, since the people most likely to donate are those who have donated in the past, good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Which of the following, if true, provides more support for the argument?

(A) Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

(B) This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university's fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before.

(C) This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

(D) The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before.

(E) More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University's fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university.
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Conclusion : This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

A. Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people. - This can be a contender since good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base.

B. This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university's fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before. - If we consider this then the percentage of getting donation would have increased. and fund-raiser would have done good job , which is contradictory

C. This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors. - this is already present in the argument , so with this information we get know only that the fund-raiser did not contact to previous donor ,assuming they would donate this tym too. but this not true.

D. The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before. - Weakens the conclusion

E. More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University's fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university. - This is also weakening the conclusion

So A is better choice here .
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Smithtown University's fund-raisers succeeded in getting donations from 80 percent of the potential donors they contacted. This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. On the contrary, since the people most likely to donate are those who have donated in the past, good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Which of the following, if true, provides more support for the argument?

A. Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

B. This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university's fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before.

C. This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

D. The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before.

E. More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University's fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university.

I am confused between options C & A

We need to strengthen the conclusion that, This success rate does not indicate that they were doing a good job. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Option C says there is no canvassing as "People previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors"

Please explain where my reasoning wrong & how option A correct
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Smithtown University's fund-raisers succeeded in getting donations from 80 percent of the potential donors they contacted. This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. On the contrary, since the people most likely to donate are those who have donated in the past, good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Which of the following, if true, provides more support for the argument?

A. Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

B. This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university's fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before.

C. This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

D. The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before.

E. More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University's fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university.

I am confused between options C & A

We need to strengthen the conclusion that, This success rate does not indicate that they were doing a good job. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Option C says there is no canvassing as "People previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors"

Please explain where my reasoning wrong & how option A correct

C is out of scope.
The argument in question is about people "potential donors they contacted".
C talks about people who gave donation without the university contacting them.
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Smithtown University's fund-raisers succeeded in getting donations from 80 percent of the potential donors they contacted. This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. On the contrary, since the people most likely to donate are those who have donated in the past, good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Which of the following, if true, provides more support for the argument?

A. Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

B. This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university's fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before.

C. This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

D. The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before.

E. More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University's fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university.

Hi chetan,

can you please elaborate how option A strengthens this Argument!
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Smithtown University's fund-raisers succeeded in getting donations from 80 percent of the potential donors they contacted. This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. On the contrary, since the people most likely to donate are those who have donated in the past, good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Which of the following, if true, provides more support for the argument?

A. Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

B. This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university's fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before.

C. This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

D. The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before.

E. More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University's fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university.

Hi chetan,

can you please elaborate how option A strengthens this Argument!

Hi,

lets see the choice A..
A. Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

Clearly the lower % would be because of greater canvassing effect..

let me give some numeric values and explain ..

(I) % of OLD donors making payment = 100%
S contacted 100 people and they could get donors from 80 of them..
NOW choice tells us that S could get funds from NEW donors as frequently as OTHERS..
say 25 were new donors and ONLY 20% gave funds-- It is going to be same for S as well as OTHERS..
so S got funds from 75 out of 75 of OLD donors and 5 out of 25 NEW ones..

(II) lets see OTHERS--
now % of donors making payments is less than 80..
say 60%..
we know that OLD donors are more likely in both cases and we have taken it 100% for ease of understanding and the OUTCOME of contact with NEW also has been the same - 20%..
so our equation becomes--
$$\frac{100}{100} *x +(100-x)*\frac{20}{100}= 60$$
so x = 50..
this shows this institute recieved funds from 50 old donors and CONTACTED 50 new donors out of which 10 gave funds.. THUS canvassing effect of this institute was more than S..

similarly lesser the %, more the CANVASSING
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Smithtown University's fund-raisers succeeded in getting donations from 80 percent of the potential donors they contacted. This success rate, exceptionally high for university fund-raisers, does not indicate that they were doing a good job. On the contrary, since the people most likely to donate are those who have donated in the past, good fundraisers constantly try less-likely prospects in an effort to expand the donor base. The high success rate shows insufficient canvassing effort.

Which of the following, if true, provides more support for the argument?

A. Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

B. This year the average size of the donations to Smithtown University from new donors when the university's fund-raisers had contacted was larger than the average size of donations from donors who had given to the university before.

C. This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

D. The majority of the donations that fund-raisers succeeded in getting for Smithtown University this year were from donors who had never given to the university before.

E. More than half of the money raised by Smithtown University's fund-raisers came from donors who had never previously donated to the university.

Hi chetan,

can you please elaborate how option A strengthens this Argument!

Hi,

lets see the choice A..
A. Smithtown University's fund-raisers were successful in their contacts with potential donors who had never given before about as frequently as were fundraisers for other universities in their contacts with such people.

Clearly the lower % would be because of greater canvassing effect..

let me give some numeric values and explain ..

(I) % of OLD donors making payment = 100%
S contacted 100 people and they could get donors from 80 of them..
NOW choice tells us that S could get funds from NEW donors as frequently as OTHERS..
say 25 were new donors and ONLY 20% gave funds-- It is going to be same for S as well as OTHERS..
so S got funds from 75 out of 75 of OLD donors and 5 out of 25 NEW ones..

(II) lets see OTHERS--
now % of donors making payments is less than 80..
say 60%..
we know that OLD donors are more likely in both cases and we have taken it 100% for ease of understanding and the OUTCOME of contact with NEW also has been the same - 20%..
so our equation becomes--
$$\frac{100}{100} *x +(100-x)*\frac{20}{100}= 60$$
so x = 50..
this shows this institute recieved funds from 50 old donors and CONTACTED 50 new donors out of which 10 gave funds.. THUS canvassing effect of this institute was more than S..

similarly lesser the %, more the CANVASSING

REGARDING CHOICE A),

how can we assume that only 20 percent of new donors have donated?
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IMO why A could be correct is because other students were also able to get the funds from those donors as easily as the students from Smithtown University. So this shows that the students from Smithtown University did not do any extra efforts as compared to the students from other universities else the funds given to these students would have been more as compared to the funds given to other students.

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Hi SayantanC - can you please explain how A is correct.

A just states that students were successful in contacting potentail donors which is already given in argument. Cant understand how it suports the argument.
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Hi SayantanC - can you please explain how A is correct.

A just states that students were successful in contacting potentail donors which is already given in argument. Cant understand how it suports the argument.
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The passage states that the Smiths students were 80% successful, but that does not imply best efforts. The reason is that they might be targeting primarily those donors who are likely to donate ( such as those who donated in the past). This implies that the Smiths students may not be targeting new donors who are unlikely to donate and hence are not putting up proper efforts.

Option A: The success rate of Smiths students with unlikely donors = success rate of other Univ students with unlikely donors (much less than 80% - implied.) This confirms that with unlikely donors Smiths students efforts are not 80%, but as same as the % success rate of the other Univ students.

Option A implies that the fact that the Smiths students are achieving 80% is not because of their effort, but because they are not targeting unlikely donors. Otherwise their success rate would be lower.

(In a way the passage implies that a low success rate is an indication of proper effort.)
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How do you rule out C? If most donors donated without being contacted, then clearly the Smithtown University's fundraisers haven't done a good enough job of expanding their donor base? And this would mean inadequate canvassing effort?
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How do you rule out C? If most donors donated without being contacted, then clearly the Smithtown University's fundraisers haven't done a good enough job of expanding their donor base? And this would mean inadequate canvassing effort?

Premise: high success rate
Conclusion: insufficient canvassing effect

The correct option must attack the link between the premise and conclusion. Option C has no relevance to the premise as such (because this option tries to relate not contacting donors with insufficient canvassing effect, whereas the original argument is concerning the relation between high success rate and insufficient canvassing effect). Therefore C is not the correct option.

On the contrary, option C could be a weakening statement. It may imply that the 80% success rate came mostly from donors who did not contribute before. This in turn implies that the sudents actually did a good job contacting new donors and succeeding in getting donations from them.
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Option A states that the fundraisers from the subject university were as successful as those from other universities in bagging donations from first-time donors. However, if this option is correct, aren't we assuming that the fundraisers of the other universities haven't performed their best since we arrive at a conclusion that Smithtown's students haven't performed best after comparison?

Is it ok to make this assumption for this argument or am I missing something?
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Option A states that the fundraisers from the subject university were as successful as those from other universities in bagging donations from first-time donors. However, if this option is correct, aren't we assuming that the fundraisers of the other universities haven't performed their best since we arrive at a conclusion that Smithtown's students haven't performed best after comparison?

Is it ok to make this assumption for this argument or am I missing something?

Option A indicates that Smithtown students are as successful as students of other colleges in case of clients who did not donate before. The main passage states that the Smithtown students have exceptionally high success rate (i.e. much higher than students of other colleges). These two facts indicate that Smithtown students spent much of their effort with easy customers who have already donated rather than difficult ones who have never donated. This indicates a lack of canvassing effort. So whether the students of other colleges has done well (in getting donations from approached clients) is not relevant. The argument is about canvassing ( i.e. approaching new clients), not getting donations from approached clients.

In summary, option A just implies that much effort was put by Smithtown students in easy clients, which could have been diverted to difficult ones.
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How do you rule out C? If most donors donated without being contacted, then clearly the Smithtown University's fundraisers haven't done a good enough job of expanding their donor base? And this would mean inadequate canvassing effort?

Premise: high success rate
Conclusion: insufficient canvassing effect

The correct option must attack the link between the premise and conclusion. Option C has no relevance to the premise as such (because this option tries to relate not contacting donors with insufficient canvassing effect, whereas the original argument is concerning the relation between high success rate and insufficient canvassing effect). Therefore C is not the correct option.

On the contrary, option C could be a weakening statement. It may imply that the 80% success rate came mostly from donors who did not contribute before. This in turn implies that the sudents actually did a good job contacting new donors and succeeding in getting donations from them.

Option C states:-
This year most of the donations that came to Smithtown University from people who had previously donated to it were made without the university's fund-raisers having made any contact with the donors.

So how can we imply "It may imply that the 80% success rate came mostly from donors who did not contribute before."?
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