Trump trying to limit OPT

Thanks! Let's hope that's the end of it. I saw it yesterday in the NYT:

U.S. to Expel Chinese Graduate Students With Ties to China’s Military Schools
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/us/p ... visas.html
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Hi andyprezth,
I'm not quite aware of how the H1 procedures and the green card system works. But could you please help me in understanding how the university can help with your immigration status apart from thr cpt? Isn't the H1 filed by the employer?

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I do not think immigration is a part of the business school offering. Green card is NOT part of the MBA or any other degree. Business schools are offering education. Are you saying that they are selling work permits or visas? That would be illegal.... but that’s what you implied and the whole basis for your post. It is wrong.

If you’re suggesting that after paying for tuition, one should receive a green card, why shouldn’t one also receive a green card after buying a car from a GM dealer? Wouldn’t it be awesome if every Camaro came with a green card? What are the GM dealers doing to help MBA students?

PS. Another part of your post that is wrong is the one that blames business schools for policies and political issues. You are theorizing and implying that business schools are trying to hurt international students but aren’t they also marketing and spending dollars on attracting them? Or may be business calls or evil creatures that prey on unsuspecting international students to ambush them?



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By the way, which MBA program costs 200,000? I know it can get up to 150k but not 200. Not for a FT MBA. Is that EMBA?

I think it would be awesome, if you could get a blank work permit that lets you do anything. I believe you can get it in Ecuador and panama if you bring in enough money. You can even get it in the United States if you bring in 1 million or 500,000 of outside investments. But if you have that kind of money on your hands to start with, you’re probably not stressed out about a work permit too much.

You are also opening a door to an interesting dilemma. Majority of the students enrolled in the US business schools are actually US citizens. Usually around 65-70% are US citizens. If you were suggesting that the current price of tuition should include a work permit that’s better than the current OPT, should then all the US citizens get a discount on their MBA? They’re not benefiting in anyway from this new amazing work permit. How is it fair that they’re paying the same price but not getting additional benefits? If anything, they will now have more competition for the best jobs.

I think it would be nice to update the immigration policies and make it easier to get a work permit. Frankly I don’t know that it’s really hard to get one today. All you have to do is find a job that will sponsor you for H1B.... I have gone through that and while there are drawbacks when it comes to losing employment or term expiration, The system seems to work. I’ve done it and gone through it.... but Here’s my suggestion, let the tuition be and instead use taxes to pay for the benefit of this amazing work permit. Maybe it comes with a tax rate equivalent to taxes in the wonderful places you have mentioned in your post, like Canada or Europe. So instead of a 30% tax, one could pay 50 or 60% that seems to be keeping everything in balance. First, you get the work permit; second, The financial rewards are equivalent with those in Europe were taxes are high, and third, the parity between the US citizens international students is restored, And finally if somebody wants to go home after graduation, or they don’t need this work permit, they don’t have to pay for it. Seems like a perfect solution esp since people on H1B pay less taxes today.




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I agree with bb and souvik101990 here that schools can not be held accountable to provide immigration. They are not even responsible for giving a degree to anyone, they all earn it out of their own efforts. Students pay huge sums to add value to their learning, get education, and use the school's brand name to gain more potential recognition and opportunities.
And when it comes to offerings, one can demand anything-immigration, $200,000 job guarantee, a beach house, Porsche
Before joining a US school, I believe everyone is aware of the immigration situation, nothing is secret.

Hey! what’s it about students from India and China?

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You seem to know a lot about the immigration and green card,
I had a query with regards to tbis, have heard various things but nobody is sure exactly how is green card issued, is the country determined by place of birth or by nationality,
Even for countries where birth does not grant citizenship like thailand, does categorization still hold based on country of birth or is it based on nationality or citizenship.

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Exactly what I said earlier, modification (if need be) and not total halt of OPT
The funny aspect is there is no correlation between OPT and menial jobs in the USA (which was highly affected)

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Hi jeetsethi09 - There's a 7% quota for each country and it's based on Country of Birth (weird right?). I have a friend, she was born in Iraq in 80s as her dad was posted there. Her family moved to India when she was 7 months and grew up as an Indian in India with Indian passport; but she was considered part of Iraq quota for GC purposes (good for her as Iraq does not have any wait time). Hope that helped.

Lots of people would love to get a job in the US, work for a couple of years, get credibility and move to India/China or wherever they want if their H1B expires and their employer haven’t filed a green card yet. You’re making many assumptions of what people want.

Also did I mention that compensation in the US for almost every industry is way higher than anywhere else?

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Apart from what souvik101990 mentioned, how can you undermine the quality of education that one receives from top B-School programs (not just the Ivy league)? One must be realistic in his/her approach. The international experience, the diverse cohort and the network that one creates over these years is unmatched. I do agree there is a financial pain in the initial years of your career but looking at the long-term, it is worth it.

I believe because there are many people who have always dreamed of working and getting the dream job in the United States. Yes, they take a great risk, but so do other people who have made significant progress in their lives.
Canada is, of course, more liberal about immigration and it is seen by people as a safer choice considering the current situation in the United States.

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Yes, please do!
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Problem is very simple, US gives out around 1.2M green cards every year, ONLY 14% of those are allotted to Employment Based (EB) Category, rest go to family members, Asylum seekers, diversity lottery (BTW India, which is the most diverse country in the world is NOT qualified for diversity GC, one more example of insane immigration system) etc. They need to reverse that, attach GCs to diplomas of grads from Top 100 US schools. Make it 50/50 (EB based vs others).

As for H1B, it's simple too. Remove lottery system, give preference to candidates who earn more and/or that have attended again Top schools. If they do these 2 things, there will be no need of OPT and other shady programs.

BUT there's a group called "American Association of Immigration Lawyers", they dont want America go on that path of Merit Based Immigration, they love this backlog as it brings more money from them.

PS: We raised $30k in 2 days to run ads on this topic last week (donations.immigrationvoice.org). Goal is to raise 100k/month, you guys will see more about this issue in media soon. Stay tuned.

Thank You andyprezth,
But I was wondering how all this plays out for people who want to get up the ranks faster (let's face it, it's a pain in india) and return home (once they pay off their loans and have decent savings) post working for 5-7 years. How restrictive would the H1 be in that case? I'm sure not everyone wants to permanently settle in the US.

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Thank You bb. Higher studies in the States without a lucrative scholarship seems extremely risky at the moment.

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The proposal calls for $20000 to apply for a H1B visa, which is based on a lottery. Lol.

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Whilst things are looking increasingly disturbing for the international student, I'd say it's best for us to wait for the official announcement to come out. Hopefully it's not as bad as it seems at the moment.

I remember reading some place about the announcement bring made by mid July

US Immigration system is the absolutely worst - it's almost as bad as American healthcare and for the same reasons - lawyers dictate it.