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C for me.
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this 1 can be easilt narrowed to C and D, rest all are OOS
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=D nice question.
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C for me.

WHy not D?
Even D gives reasons for the shorter height
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C for me.

WHy not D?
Even D gives reasons for the shorter height


By stating "The soil on Tufe Island, unlike that on the mainland," choice D is implying that the soil in the Tufe Peninsula is causing the Turfil to grow taller rather than the conclusion we are trying to strengthen - changes in the environment between the two land masses. Thus we are not strengthening the argument.

Additionally, a great tactic to employ with assumption questions, one I find used frequently in posts, is the negation technique. If we negate Choice D by saying that the soil HAS important nutrients rather than LACKS important nutrients does this negation of the assumption destroy the case being made in the argument that it's the environment's fault? Not really. The flowers can possibly have the important nutrients to grow taller, maybe 5 cm, and still be shorter as a result of the dry environment. Whereas in choice C if we negate the answer choice by saying "The mainland's environment HAS changed..." then we destroy the conclusion by saying that it's not the drier environment that caused the flowers to shrink but the better environment that caused them to grow.
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Two centuries ago, Tufe Peninsula became separated form the mainland, isolating on the newly formed Tufe Island a population of Turfil sunflowers. This population’s descendants grow to be, on average, 40 centimeters shorter than Turfil sunflowers found on the mainland. Tufe Island is significantly drier than Tufe Peninsula was. So the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes in Tufe’s environmental conditions.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

A. There are no types of vegetation on Tufe Island that are known to benefit from dry conditions.
B. There were about as many Turfil sunflowers on Tufe Peninsula two centuries ago as there are on Tufe Island today.
C. The mainland’s environment has not changed in ways that have resulted in Turfil sunflowers on the mainland growing to be 40 centimeters taller than they did two centuries ago.
D. The soil on Tufe Island, unlike that on the mainland, lacks important nutrients that help Turfil sunflowers survive and grow tall in a dry environment.
E. The 40-centimeter height difference between the Turfil sunflowers on Tufe Island and those on the mainland is the only difference between the two populations.


Could somebody explain why is C the answer?

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Hi EGMAT,

im not able to eliminate the option D. As its says after negation that Soils has a nutrient which help flower to grow tall.

and we are taking about the whether environment has played a role in the decrease in the height of the flower.

So we have to just concentrate only on environment.

Can you guide me whether my reasoning is correct.

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Hi EGMAT,

im not able to eliminate the option D. As its says after negation that Soils has a nutrient which help flower to grow tall.

and we are taking about the whether environment has played a role in the decrease in the height of the flower.

So we have to just concentrate only on environment.

Can you guide me whether my reasoning is correct.

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Hi Nitin,

Is soil the only component of environment which can impact plant growth?

What about temperature, humidity etc? These can also impact plant growth. Right?

Now, even if the soil does not lack such nutrients, one of these other factors (temperature, humidity) could still be responsible for the difference in the heights of the flowers.

In such a case, the conclusion does not break down.

Isn't it?

When you negate an assumption, the conclusion should break-down. Right?

So, your job should be to find a scenario in which the conclusion could still hold true. Only in case where you are not able to find such a scenario can you confidently say that the conclusion has actually broken down. In such a case, the option statement is an actual assumption.

Does it help?

Feel free to ask if you have any further questions :)

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Thanks Chiranjeev,

My Gaps are filling in .... Feeling GOOD. :)
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Premises:

1. 2 century ago, TP separated from mainland to form 2 regions- 1)mainland 2)Island

2. Island is drier than peninsula

3. Height of flower is Island 40 cm shorter than that in Mainland

Conclusion:
Current average height of Tufe’sTurfil sunflowers is undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes in Tufe’s environmental conditions.

Questions 1:
Option C says, Mainland sunflowers didn't grew taller due to environmental changes. This make me infer that sunflowers in island grew shorter.
This inference doesn't help to explain why this happened? What is the root cause of 40 cm shortness in island flowers.
I tend to seek the cause behind shortness of Island sunflowers and option D gave relief. Option (C) doesn't add any more information. It just says, Mainland flower didn't grew taller.

When I am asked to find WHY B is shorter than A, Answer Choice says, A is not taller.

Expert insight will help.

Question 2:
I didn't encounter similar question before. Do we have any other OG question like this ?
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Premises:

1. 2 century ago, TP separated from mainland to form 2 regions- 1)mainland 2)Island

2. Island is drier than peninsula

3. Height of flower is Island 40 cm shorter than that in Mainland

Conclusion:
Current average height of Tufe’sTurfil sunflowers is undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes in Tufe’s environmental conditions.

Questions 1:
Option C says, Mainland sunflowers didn't grew taller due to environmental changes. This make me infer that sunflowers in island grew shorter.
This inference doesn't help to explain why this happened? What is the root cause of 40 cm shortness in island flowers.
I tend to seek the cause behind shortness of Island sunflowers and option D gave relief. Option (C) doesn't add any more information. It just says, Mainland flower didn't grew taller.

When I am asked to find WHY B is shorter than A, Answer Choice says, A is not taller.

Expert insight will help.

Question 2:
I didn't encounter similar question before. Do we have any other OG question like this ?


Dear Umesh,

Thank you for your query. :)

After going through your analyses of choices C and D, I feel that you are not asking yourself the right questions in the pre-thinking phase. :(

Accordingly, let's see where you may be faltering in applying the process.

Right now we are given three things, as you have rightly pointed.
1. Separation of the peninsula from the mainland
2. Difference in the environmental conditions between the peninsula and the island
3. Difference in the height of the sunflowers found on the island and those found on the mainland

On the basis of the above three facts, the author concludes that the difference in the environmental conditions between the peninsula and the island is responsible at least to some extent for the current (shorter) average height of the sunflowers found on the island. Now, in the pre-thinking phase for assumptions, what do we focus on? We try to think of scenarios in which the conclusion may not hold, right? Accordingly, what if someone told you that the difference in the height is not because the island sunflowers are shorter than before but because the mainland sunflowers are taller than before because of the changes in the environmental conditions on the mainland? Would the author's conclusion still be valid? Would the author still be able to blame the difference in the environmental conditions between the peninsula and the island as the cause for the difference in the average height of the sunflowers found at the two different places? The answer is NO! Choice C rules out this possibility by negating a possible counter to the link drawn between the difference in the environmental conditions between the peninsula and the island, and the difference in the height of the sunflowers. Try to negate Choice C and see the effect it has on the conclusion.

As regards choice D, ask yourself whether it is a must be true statement for the conclusion to hold true? Chiranjeev has addressed a similar doubt above. Please do present your analysis in the light of that discussion and we'll take our discussion forward from there. :)

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Two centuries ago, Tufe Peninsula became separated form the mainland, isolating on the newly formed Tufe Island a population of Turfil sunflowers. This population’s descendants grow to be, on average, 40 centimeters shorter than Turfil sunflowers found on the mainland. Tufe Island is significantly drier than Tufe Peninsula was. So the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes in Tufe’s environmental conditions.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

A. There are no types of vegetation on Tufe Island that are known to benefit from dry conditions.
B. There were about as many Turfil sunflowers on Tufe Peninsula two centuries ago as there are on Tufe Island today.
C. The mainland’s environment has not changed in ways that have resulted in Turfil sunflowers on the mainland growing to be 40 centimeters taller than they did two centuries ago.
D. The soil on Tufe Island, unlike that on the mainland, lacks important nutrients that help Turfil sunflowers survive and grow tall in a dry environment.
E. The 40-centimeter height difference between the Turfil sunflowers on Tufe Island and those on the mainland is the only difference between the two populations.


Could somebody explain why is C the answer?

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The author’s underlying assumption in the stimulus is that the mainland’s environment has not changed. When the author says ”Tufe Island is significantly drier than Tufe Peninsula was.” the author is saying that the Island NOW is drier than the mainland WAS. Nothing is mentioned of the mainland NOW. Yet, the author concludes that the changes in height of the Turfil sunflowers that are located on the island are partially attributable to changes in environmental conditions of the island. We know that the conclusion is referring only to the island’s population since the stimulus only refers to the height of the island’s sunflower as being shorter. Now what would happen to the argument if it is found that the environment on the mainland changed as well?
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Two centuries ago, Tufe Peninsula became separated form the mainland, isolating on the newly formed Tufe Island a population of Turfil sunflowers. This population’s descendants grow to be, on average, 40 centimeters shorter than Turfil sunflowers found on the mainland. Tufe Island is significantly drier than Tufe Peninsula was. So the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes in Tufe’s environmental conditions.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

A. There are no types of vegetation on Tufe Island that are known to benefit from dry conditions.
B. There were about as many Turfil sunflowers on Tufe Peninsula two centuries ago as there are on Tufe Island today.
C. The mainland’s environment has not changed in ways that have resulted in Turfil sunflowers on the mainland growing to be 40 centimeters taller than they did two centuries ago.
D. The soil on Tufe Island, unlike that on the mainland, lacks important nutrients that help Turfil sunflowers survive and grow tall in a dry environment.
E. The 40-centimeter height difference between the Turfil sunflowers on Tufe Island and those on the mainland is the only difference between the two populations.



Argument structure is:

Island is dryer than was before
Sunflower in island has 40 cm lower in average--------->Average height attributable to environment change


Prethink:

1. Defender assumptions: There is no other factors/reasons why sf is lower, no data error, no reverse causation
2. Suporter (gap) assumptions: Being dryer than before is environmental change

Answer choices:
A. There are no types of vegetation on Tufe Island that are known to benefit from dry conditions. Out of scope- we don't need other vegetaion
B. There were about as many Turfil sunflowers on Tufe Peninsula two centuries ago as there are on Tufe Island today. Out of scope- we interested in height not in number
C. The mainland’s environment has not changed in ways that have resulted in Turfil sunflowers on the mainland growing to be 40 centimeters taller than they did two centuries ago. Eliminate other factor that could be explanation-CORRECT

D. The soil on Tufe Island, unlike that on the mainland, lacks important nutrients that help Turfil sunflowers survive and grow tall in a dry environment. Introduce other factor - weakens the conclusion
E. The 40-centimeter height difference between the Turfil sunflowers on Tufe Island and those on the mainland is the only difference between the two populations. Out of scope- we interested exactly in this difference
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I need an help regarding this question
option A says: There are no types of vegetation on Tufe Island that are known to benefit from dry conditions. [it means that its the dry conditions (environmental change) that has an impact on all the vegetation. it confirms that the writer is true about conclusion that its the environment that has caused shorter length of Tufe.
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I need an help regarding this question
option A says: There are no types of vegetation on Tufe Island that are known to benefit from dry conditions. [it means that its the dry conditions (environmental change) that has an impact on all the vegetation. it confirms that the writer is true about conclusion that its the environment that has caused shorter length of Tufe.


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Quote:
Two centuries ago, Tufe Peninsula became separated form the mainland, isolating on the newly formed Tufe Island a population of Turfil sunflowers. This population’s descendants grow to be, on average, 40 centimeters shorter than Turfil sunflowers found on the mainland. Tufe Island is significantly drier than Tufe Peninsula was. So the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is undoubtedly at least partially attributable to changes in Tufe’s environmental conditions.


The last sentence ( The conclusion ) of the stimulus is very important, it says everything the author wants to convey.

Now lets decode the authors reasoning.

Mainland - Height of Plant is H
Island - Height of Plant is H - 40


Now carefully check the last to sentences ( more closely on the green part ) which leads to the conclusion.

Quote:
Tufe Island is significantly drier than Tufe Peninsula was. So the current average height of Tufe’s Turfil sunflowers is undoubtedlyat least partially attributable to changes in Tufe’s environmental conditions.


This clearly means that change in environmental conditions ( Environment of the island becoming drier) may be one of the reasons ( There may be other factors as well) that have resulted in reduced height of the sunflowers in the island.

Lets check the option (A) -

A. There are no types of vegetation on Tufe Island that are known to benefit from dry conditions.

We do not have sufficient information to state whether any type of vegetation benefits or not , further it is doubtful what the term benefits exactly mean ( Does increase in height constitute as a benefit or something else)

Hence IMHO (C) is a better option, and if we negate the option the entire argument falls apart.
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