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06 Aug 2014, 23:53
hey please some one explain ans for q77 im confused between d and e
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hey please some one explain ans for q77 im confused between d and e

Dear komalkansal,
I'm happy to respond.

Here's the question again (which is RC #70 in the OG13)
77. The author of the passage mentions the supervision of schools primarily in order to
(A) remind readers of the role education played in the cultural changes of the nineteenth century in the United States
(B) suggest an area in which nineteenth-century American women were relatively free to exercise power
(C) provide an example of an occupation for which accurate data about women’s participation are difficult to obtain
(D) speculate about which occupations were considered suitable for United States women of the nineteenth century
(E) illustrate how the answers to questions about women’s status depend on particular contexts

Here's the context in which that detail is mentioned ....
More importantly, she shows that the debate itself depends on frame of reference: in many respects, women lost power in relation to men, for example, as certain jobs (delivering babies, supervising schools) were taken over by men. Yet women also gained power in comparison with their previous status, ...

Think about what is happening right there in the passage. We get the HUGE signpost "More importantly ...", which means the author is about to say something he or she considers extremely important. That should be like a giant flashing neon sign in the passage. The author of the passage says that "[Lesbock] shows that the debate itself depends on frame of reference." In other words, the answer to questions such as "were women better off in the 18th century or the 19th century?" are not crystal clear because they depend on where we look: looking at different indicators of social status and power will give us different answers to such questions. The author of the passage makes this extremely important point, and then cites two examples --- the supervision of schools example, which shows women losing power in the 19th century, and then the real estate example, which shows women gaining power in the 19th century. How powerful were women in the 19th century? It depends on where we look.

That's precisely why (E) is a much much better answer. The author cited the supervision of schools example to support his or her contention, the statement in bold above, and choice (E) restates the statement in bold. It restates something we absolutely know the author of the passage considered extremely important.

The author of this passage is not at all interested in speculating about occupations of women in the 19th century. The author of this passage is concerned with comparing the relative strengths of two books by different sets of authors, and the "more importantly" statement is a HUGE statement about something that one author did very well. Choice (D) plays on the confusion some readers have been the concerns of the author of this passage vs. the concerns of the authors discussed in the passage.

Does all this make sense?
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Can someone explain 79? could not relate to any answer and ultimately gone wrong.
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Can someone explain 79? could not relate to any answer and ultimately gone wrong.

I want to put my 2 cents on this question:

79. According to the passage, Lebsock’s work differs from Buel and Buel’s work in that Lebsock’s work
First, we need to refer back to the passage to find the clue for this question. The opening sentence says "... contrasting approaches...", so the contrast should be presented in the next sentences.

"Buel and Buel’s biography ... makes little effort to place her story in the context of recent historiography on women. Lebsock, meanwhile, ... redirect two decades of historiographical debate as to whether women gained or lost status in the nineteenth century as compared with the eighteenth century."

What we could understand from 2 above sentences is that Buel' biography did not provide much information about recent historiography. But, Lebsock's work did, specifically about 2 decades of historiographical debate. We don't need to understand what was the debate, or what the historiography was about.

(A) uses a large number of primary sources
No information comparing about the sources of 2 works.

(B) ignores issues of women’s legal status
Lebsock's work did not ignore the issues. It even help to refine and resolve the issues

(C) refuses to take a position on women’s status in the eighteenth century
This sentence refers to Buel's biography, not Lebsock's.

CORRECT! Lebsock's work did on larger historical scale.

(E) fails to provide sufficient material to support its claims
Again, no comparison about the material to support 2 works' claims.

One more thing I think about this question. If you comprehend the tone of the author well, you can know that the author favors Lebsock's work. So for this question, you could immediately cross out 3 negative choices B, C, E.
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komalkansal wrote:
hey please some one explain ans for q77 im confused between d and e

Dear komalkansal,
I'm happy to respond.

Here's the question again (which is RC #70 in the OG13)
77. The author of the passage mentions the supervision of schools primarily in order to
(A) remind readers of the role education played in the cultural changes of the nineteenth century in the United States
(B) suggest an area in which nineteenth-century American women were relatively free to exercise power
(C) provide an example of an occupation for which accurate data about women’s participation are difficult to obtain
(D) speculate about which occupations were considered suitable for United States women of the nineteenth century
(E) illustrate how the answers to questions about women’s status depend on particular contexts

Here's the context in which that detail is mentioned ....
More importantly, she shows that the debate itself depends on frame of reference: in many respects, women lost power in relation to men, for example, as certain jobs (delivering babies, supervising schools) were taken over by men. Yet women also gained power in comparison with their previous status, ...

Think about what is happening right there in the passage. We get the HUGE signpost "More importantly ...", which means the author is about to say something he or she considers extremely important. That should be like a giant flashing neon sign in the passage. The author of the passage says that "[Lesbock] shows that the debate itself depends on frame of reference." In other words, the answer to questions such as "were women better off in the 18th century or the 19th century?" are not crystal clear because they depend on where we look: looking at different indicators of social status and power will give us different answers to such questions. The author of the passage makes this extremely important point, and then cites two examples --- the supervision of schools example, which shows women losing power in the 19th century, and then the real estate example, which shows women gaining power in the 19th century. How powerful were women in the 19th century? It depends on where we look.

That's precisely why (E) is a much much better answer. The author cited the supervision of schools example to support his or her contention, the statement in bold above, and choice (E) restates the statement in bold. It restates something we absolutely know the author of the passage considered extremely important.

The author of this passage is not at all interested in speculating about occupations of women in the 19th century. The author of this passage is concerned with comparing the relative strengths of two books by different sets of authors, and the "more importantly" statement is a HUGE statement about something that one author did very well. Choice (D) plays on the confusion some readers have been the concerns of the author of this passage vs. the concerns of the authors discussed in the passage.

Does all this make sense?
Mike

Hi mikemcgarry,

Could you please tell why option B is incorrect in this question. I read through your reasoning for the correct option E but still could not reject option B. Would appreciate your help.
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Hi mikemcgarry,

Could you please tell why option B is incorrect in this question. I read through your reasoning for the correct option E but still could not reject option B. Would appreciate your help.

Here's the question again (which is RC #70 in the OG13)
77. The author of the passage mentions the supervision of schools primarily in order to
(A) remind readers of the role education played in the cultural changes of the nineteenth century in the United States
(B) suggest an area in which nineteenth-century American women were relatively free to exercise power
(C) provide an example of an occupation for which accurate data about women’s participation are difficult to obtain
(D) speculate about which occupations were considered suitable for United States women of the nineteenth century
(E) illustrate how the answers to questions about women’s status depend on particular contexts

Here again is the context in which that detail is mentioned ....
{Lesbock] concludes that while women gained autonomy is some areas, especially in the private sphere, they lost it in many aspects of the economic sphere. More importantly, she shows that the debate itself depends on frame of reference: in many respects, women lost power in relation to men, for example, as certain jobs (delivering babies, supervising schools) were taken over by men. Yet women also gained power in comparison with their previous status, ...

In that passage, the author is discussing ways that women in the 19th century were losing power: women were teachers, but the roles of supervising schools was being taken over by men, so men would be bossing around all these women teachers. That is a clear example of women losing power, so it does the opposite of (B). It may be that women were "relatively free to exercise power" in the private family sphere, but "supervision of schools" is an example from the economic world-world sphere, where women were losing power.

Does all this make sense?
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in my view for question 80 d should be correct answer. Its stated explicitly in the passage.
"She concludes that while women gained autonomy in some areas, especially in the private sphere, they lost it in many aspects of the economic sphere."
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04 Apr 2017, 23:04
8min 10sec. all correct.
I believe that the time taken was excess considering the difficulty of the passage.
Please can any one suggest on the appropriate timing for this passage.

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Hi Gmatninja, Gmatninja2.
I believe majority of passage covers Lebsock's work in detail
however I was not able to understand whether the middle portion of
passage refers to 18th or 19th century? Furthermore, how can delivering babies
be a job which can be taken up by men.
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Hi Gmatninja, Gmatninja2.
I believe majority of passage covers Lebsock's work in detail
however I was not able to understand whether the middle portion of
passage refers to 18th or 19th century? Furthermore, how can delivering babies
be a job which can be taken up by men.

Regarding the second question, "delivering" a baby is not the same as "giving birth" to a baby. For example, if a doctor (often an OB-GYN, or "obstetrician-gynecologist", in the US) is present to assist with the birth, that doctor is said to "deliver" the baby, while the mother, of course, is the one who "gives birth" to the child.

The middle portion deals with the "historiographical debate as to whether women gained or lost status in the nineteenth century as compared with the eighteenth century." Because this portion is comparing women's status in the nineteenth century to their status in the eighteenth century, this section actually deals with BOTH centuries.

For example, consider the following excerpt: "while women gained autonomy in some areas, especially in the private sphere, they lost it in many aspects of the economic sphere." This means that during the eighteenth century women had MORE autonomy in many aspects of the economic sphere than they would later have in the nineteenth century. Similarly, women owned a higher proportion of real estate in the nineteenth century than they did in the eighteenth century.

I hope that helps!
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22 Jul 2017, 02:26
All correct except question 5 took 10 min to complete it.
The answer to question 5 is based solely on the following lines in the passage .
She concludes that while women gained autonomy in some areas, especially in the private sphere, they lost it in many aspects of the economic sphere.
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Can someone explain Q81?

Dear akankshasoneja
Here is the text of question #81.

81. The passage suggests that Buel and Buel’s biography of Mary Fish provides evidence for which of the following views of women’s history?
(A) Women have lost power in relation to men since the colonial era.
(B) Women of the colonial era were not as likely to be concerned with their status as were women in the nineteenth century.
(C) The colonial era was not as favorable for women as some historians have believed.
(D) Women had more economic autonomy in the colonial era than in the nineteenth century.
(E) Women’s occupations were generally more respected in the colonial era than in the nineteenth century.

Tell me, what do you understand what do you not understand? What is your choice for the answer, and what don't you understand about the OA?

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Hello dear mike

In all the passage nowhere mentioned that colonial age ( or golden age) was not favorable for women! it is not discussed, we just see Buel's wrote is guideless and ambiguous .... could you explain, please?
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mikemcgarry wrote:
akankshasoneja wrote:
Can someone explain Q81?

Dear akankshasoneja
Here is the text of question #81.

81. The passage suggests that Buel and Buel’s biography of Mary Fish provides evidence for which of the following views of women’s history?
(A) Women have lost power in relation to men since the colonial era.
(B) Women of the colonial era were not as likely to be concerned with their status as were women in the nineteenth century.
(C) The colonial era was not as favorable for women as some historians have believed.
(D) Women had more economic autonomy in the colonial era than in the nineteenth century.
(E) Women’s occupations were generally more respected in the colonial era than in the nineteenth century.

Tell me, what do you understand what do you not understand? What is your choice for the answer, and what don't you understand about the OA?

Mike

Hello dear mike

In all the passage nowhere mentioned that colonial age ( or golden age) was not favorable for women! it is not discussed, we just see Buel's wrote is guideless and ambiguous .... could you explain, please?

Dear soodia,

I'm happy to respond.

The middle of the passage talk about Lesbock's book, noting a few different ways in which this shows the empowerment of women during the colonial period. Then we get the crucial pivotal point, at the beginning of the last sentence, "In contrast . . ." That's huge. That tells us that the material in this sentence is intended to present some alternative to what has been discussed in Lesbock's book. Here's that whole last sentence:
In contrast, Buel and Buel’s biography provides ample raw material for questioning the myth, fostered by some historians, of a colonial golden age in the eighteenth century but does not give the reader much guidance in analyzing the controversy over women’s status.
Thus, Buel and Buel give "ample raw material," i.e. evidence, "for questioning the myth . . . of a colonial golden age." Now, admittedly, if we are looking at this sentence in isolation, we would not be able to interpret the content of that ambiguous phrase "colonial golden age." Because that sentence begins with "in contrast," we know that we have to interpret everything in the sentence in terms of what came before. Lesbock provided some examples of positive empowerment for women in the 18th century, although Lesbock's nuanced analysis also pointed out ways that women didn't have power, so Lesbock herself is not indicating a "golden age." We could imagine that a less nuanced historian might simply grab on to those positive examples and portray this time as a "golden age" of women's rights. Buel and Buel provide ample evidence against that view.

Does all this make sense?
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HI mikemcgarry, GMATNinja

According to the passage, Lebsock’s work differs from Buel and Buel’s work in that Lebsock’s work
(A) uses a large number of primary sources
(B) ignores issues of women’s legal status
(C) refuses to take a position on women’s status in the eighteenth century
(E) fails to provide sufficient material to support its claims

OA is D why not E?
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HI mikemcgarry, GMATNinja

According to the passage, Lebsock’s work differs from Buel and Buel’s work in that Lebsock’s work
(A) uses a large number of primary sources
(B) ignores issues of women’s legal status
(C) refuses to take a position on women’s status in the eighteenth century
(E) fails to provide sufficient material to support its claims

OA is D why not E?

Dear NandishSS,

I'm happy to respond.

The passage clearly says: "Buel and Buel’s biography of Mary Fish (1736–1818) makes little effort to place her story in the context of recent historiography on women. Lebsock, meanwhile, attempts not only to write the history of women in one southern community, but also to redirect two decades of historiographical debate . . . " Thus, Lebsock is dealing with the modern historiographical debate, whereas Buel and Buel seemed to avoid that entirely. This is a big difference, and (D) summarizes this.

The passage also says, "Buel and Buel’s biography provides ample raw material for questioning the myth, fostered by some historians, of a colonial golden age in the eighteenth century" --therefore, Buel and Buel provided at least some material to support their claim. Was it "sufficient" material to support their claim? That's unclear, but certainly the author makes no claim one way or the other on this point. (E) is not supported.

Always remember that a person was writing this passage, and this person had opinions. The GMAT is always interested in those opinions. Right at the beginning, the author sets up this strong P vs. Q contrast between the two works. Furthermore, the language "makes little effort" is about as strong and emphatic as academic writing gets! The author is clearly showing an opinion here, and that's what the question is getting at.

Does all this make sense?
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Hi all,

For Q81 I was confused like most, but I did not focus on the later passage reference. I was focused on the following:

" Buel and Buel’s biography of Mary Fish (1736–1818) makes little effort to place her story in the context of recent historiography on women. "

How can I avoid that mistake? I ended up choosing B

1. The passage suggests that Buel and Buel’s biography of Mary Fish provides evidence for which of the following views of women’s history?
(A) Women have lost power in relation to men since the colonial era.
(B) Women of the colonial era were not as likely to be concerned with their status as were women in the nineteenth century.
(C) The colonial era was not as favorable for women as some historians have believed.
(D) Women had more economic autonomy in the colonial era than in the nineteenth century.
(E) Women’s occupations were generally more respected in the colonial era than in the nineteenth century.
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P1 - two theories around a topic given. then compared for different aspect.
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76. The primary purpose of the passage is to - first go i fee none are options, lets drill to best answer.
(A) examine two sides of a historiographical debate --- true two sides are there. and both are examining some facts.but that is not the whole picture.
(B) call into question an author’s approach to a historiographical debate --- two authors are there.
(C) examine one author’s approach to a historiographical debate --- again two authors are there.
(D) discuss two authors’ works in relationship to a historiographical debate ---- yes two authors and their work.
(E) explain the prevalent perspective on a historiographical debate ---- only talking about 2nd half of the p1.

Out of A and D actually both are not covering full para graphs. but when we look for big picture we can easily eliminate A. D is best possible answer.
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77. The author of the passage mentions the supervision of schools primarily in order to
Pre-thinking - "These certain jobs were taken over by men." E is best answer on these lines.

(E) illustrate how the answers to questions about women’s status depend on particular contexts ---
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78. With which of the following characterizations of Lebsock’s contribution to the controversy concerning women’s status in the nineteenth-century United States would the author of the passage be most likely to agree?
lines to look for - she shows that the debate itself depends on frame of reference: in many respects,
(B) Lebsock has demonstrated the importance of frame of reference in answering questions about women’s status.
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79. According to the passage, Lebsock’s work differs from Buel and Buel’s work in that Lebsock’s work
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80. The passage suggests that Lebsock believes that compared to nineteenth-century American women, eighteenth-century American women were
prethinking - Lebsock's view, about eighteenth-century American women in comparison to nineteenth-century American women
Lines to look for - women gained autonomy in some areas, especially in the private sphere, they lost it in many aspects of the economic sphere. More importantly, she shows that the debate itself depends on frame of reference: in many respects, women lost power in relation to men, for example, as certain jobs (delivering babies, supervising schools) were taken over by men. Yet women also gained power in comparison with their previous status, owning a higher proportion of real estate, for example
(A) in many respects less powerful in relation to men
(B) more likely to own real estate
(C) generally more economically independent - they lost it in many aspects of the economic sphere in nineteenth-century - this means that they were more economically independent in eighteenth-century.
(D) more independent in conducting their private lives
(E) less likely to work as school superintendents
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81. The passage suggests that Buel and Buel’s biography of Mary Fish provides evidence for which of the following views of women’s history?
lines to look for - provides ample raw material for questioning the myth, fostered by some historians, of a colonial golden age in the eighteenth century
(C) The colonial era was not as favorable for women as some historians have believed.
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Hi daagh,

I got 2 out of 6 incorrect(inference, specific inference - I get inference questions mostly wrong in RC no matter how much time I take) in 13:08 minutes. Is the timing okay or how to make sure I do it quickly? Sometimes under time pressure if I lose the hold on the passage, then I have to re-read parts of passage in contrast to jut referring to the appropriate parts according to question. As far as RC is concerned, according to me, you can't guess at any point of time as clearly many questions in a row will be wrong. Would be glad to know your thoughts.

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First of all, don't (actually never) loose your heart if you get some questions wrong. it happens with everyone. What you need to do is learn from it. Let me help you with that. So when ever you make a mistake with RC-Inference, Do following

1. Have you read the passage and made Para wise mapping? You need to complete this part in 2-3 min for short passage and 3-4 min for long passage.
2. usually inference questions take time dont take anything more then 2 min. if you are doing that you have to adjust it at some point.
3. If you made map correctly you know where to look for any information. if dont you have to search.
4. Do not jump on POE. first pre-think the answer from your map. then do POE and try to eliminate 2-3 choices. for rest look for either one right answer or wrong one.
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14 Sep 2018, 09:00
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Two works published in 1984 demonstrate contrasting approaches to writing the history of United States women. Buel and Buel’s biography of Mary Fish (1736–1818) makes little effort to place her story in the context of recent historiography on women. Lebsock, meanwhile, attempts not only to write the history of women in one southern community, but also to redirect two decades of historiographical debate as to whether women gained or lost status in the nineteenth century as compared with the eighteenth century. Although both books offer the reader the opportunity to assess this controversy regarding women’s status, only Lebsock’s deals with it directly. She examines several different aspects of women’s status, helping to refine and resolve the issues. She concludes that while women gained autonomy in some areas, especially in the private sphere, they lost it in many aspects of the economic sphere. More importantly, she shows that the debate itself depends on frame of reference: in many respects, women lost power in relation to men, for example, as certain jobs (delivering babies, supervising schools) were taken over by men. Yet women also gained power in comparison with their previous status, owning a higher proportion of real estate, for example. In contrast, Buel and Buel’s biography provides ample raw material for questioning the myth, fostered by some historians, of a colonial golden age in the eighteenth century but does not give the reader much guidance in analyzing the controversy over women’s status.
76. The primary purpose of the passage is to
(A) examine two sides of a historiographical debate
(B) call into question an author’s approach to a historiographical debate
(C) examine one author’s approach to a historiographical debate
(D) discuss two authors’ works in relationship to a historiographical debate
(E) explain the prevalent perspective on a historiographical debate

77. The author of the passage mentions the supervision of schools primarily in order to
(A) remind readers of the role education played in the cultural changes of the nineteenth century in the United States
(B) suggest an area in which nineteenth-century American women were relatively free to exercise power
(C) provide an example of an occupation for which accurate data about women’s participation are difficult to obtain
(D) speculate about which occupations were considered suitable for United States women of the nineteenth century
(E) illustrate how the answers to questions about women’s status depend on particular contexts

78. With which of the following characterizations of Lebsock’s contribution to the controversy concerning women’s status in the nineteenth-century United States would the author of the passage be most likely to agree?
(A) Lebsock has studied women from a formerly neglected region and time period.
(B) Lebsock has demonstrated the importance of frame of reference in answering questions about women’s status.
(C) Lebsock has addressed the controversy by using women’s current status as a frame of reference.
(D) Lebsock has analyzed statistics about occupations and property that were previously ignored.
(E) Lebsock has applied recent historiographical methods to the biography of a nineteenthcentury woman.

79. According to the passage, Lebsock’s work differs from Buel and Buel’s work in that Lebsock’s work
(A) uses a large number of primary sources
(B) ignores issues of women’s legal status
(C) refuses to take a position on women’s status in the eighteenth century
(E) fails to provide suffi cient material to support its claims

80. The passage suggests that Lebsock believes that compared to nineteenth-century American women, eighteenth-century American women were
(A) in many respects less powerful in relation to men
(B) more likely to own real estate
(C) generally more economically independent
(D) more independent in conducting their private lives
(E) less likely to work as school superintendents

81. The passage suggests that Buel and Buel’s biography of Mary Fish provides evidence for which of the following views of women’s history?
(A) Women have lost power in relation to men since the colonial era.
(B) Women of the colonial era were not as likely to be concerned with their status as were women in the nineteenth century.
(C) The colonial era was not as favorable for women as some historians have believed.
(D) Women had more economic autonomy in the colonial era than in the nineteenth century.
(E) Women’s occupations were generally more respected in the colonial era than in the nineteenth century.

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76. D
discuss two authors’ works in relationship to a historiographical debate.
Buel and Buel Vs. Lebsock

77. E
More importantly, she [Lebsock]shows that the debate itself depends on frame of reference: in many respects, women lost power in relation to men, for example, as certain jobs (delivering babies, supervising schools) were taken over by men.

78. B
she [Lebsock] shows that the debate itself depends on frame of reference: in many respects, women lost power in relation to men, for example, as certain jobs (delivering babies, supervising schools) were taken over by men

79. D
Lebsock, meanwhile, attempts not only to write the history of women in one southern community, but also to redirect two decades of historiographical debate...

80. C
Lebsock concludes that while women gained autonomy in some areas, especially in the private sphere, they lost it in many aspects of the economic sphere...

81. C
Buel and Buel’s biography provides ample raw material for questioning the myth, fostered by some historians, of a colonial golden age in the eighteenth century but does not give the reader much guidance in analyzing the controversy over women’s status.
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