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# Under high pressure and intense heat, graphite, the most

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06 Jul 2009, 10:22
nik1608nik wrote:
There you have the full question.

Under high pressure and intense heat, graphite, the most stable form of pure carbon, changes into the substance commonly referred to as diamond and remaining this way whether or not the heat and pressure are removed.

(A) remaining this way whether or not-out
(B) remaining like that even as-out
(C) remaining as such whether or not-out
(D) remains in this way although
(E) remains thus even when

can say which is is wrong exactly either D or E.Plz help.

'even when' makes sense here because it is emphasizing the incident occuring time.

IMO E..

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There you have the full question.

Under high pressure and intense heat, graphite, the most stable form of pure carbon, changes into the substance commonly referred to as diamond and remaining this way whether or not the heat and pressure are removed.

(A) remaining this way whether or not-out
(B) remaining like that even as-out
(C) remaining as such whether or not-out
(D) remains in this way although
(E) remains thus even when

can say which is is wrong exactly either D or E.Plz help.

E IMO. As for difference between D and E
e.g.
The substance remains warm although ice is added.
The substance remains warm even when ice is added.
In the second sentence the emphasize is on the fact that even if you add ice, the substance remains its quality. This moment is not emphasized so strongly in the first sentence, just like in D and E
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08 Jul 2009, 07:36
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IMO E.

Original meaning "whether or not" heat and pressure are removed. This is bidirectional, heat and pressure can be removed or not removed.

Choice D is using "although" means heat and pressure are certained to be removed, thus changing the meaning.

Choice E is using "even when" also a bidirectional.

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06 Jun 2010, 00:34
I marked E but the OA is D.

Can someone explain this issue?

Source - ETS test papers, set 22.
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06 Jun 2010, 00:56
Another weird question. What ETS wants to test my patience.

Clearly between D and E.

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01 Sep 2010, 12:30
OA is E.
Could anybody clarify why E is better than D?
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02 Sep 2010, 08:49
Noboru, 'Natia' has explained it very well in the earlier post. Please refer to her explanation.

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02 Sep 2010, 09:13
sushantprakhar wrote:
its D

well as per wht I hav seen OA is E... and not D

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02 Sep 2010, 09:45
az780 wrote:
Under high pressure and intense heat, graphite, the most stable form of pure carbon, changes into the substance commonly referred to as diamond and remaining this way whether or not the heat and pressure are removed.

(A) remaining this way whether or not
(B) remaining like that even as
(C) remaining as such whether or not
(D) remains in this way although
(E) remains thus even when

remain parrallel with changes, so it should be present tense. therefore, A,B,C wrong. between D and E, D is better because although is better than thus to express opposite events

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02 Sep 2010, 10:07
az780 wrote:
Under high pressure and intense heat, graphite, the most stable form of pure carbon, changes into the substance commonly referred to as diamond and remaining this way whether or not the heat and pressure are removed.

(A) remaining this way whether or not
(B) remaining like that even as
(C) remaining as such whether or not
(D) remains in this way although
(E) remains thus even when

A, B and C should be eliminated due to lack of parallelism.
'although the heat and pressure are removed' suggests an action being performed when in fact we're only making a statement of a potential occurence. Therefore D is out.
The use of 'thus' is awkward but gramatically correct as it suggest that the subject remains in its state. The use of 'when' properly completes the statement by conveying a potential occurence - that the subject retains its state even when heat and pressure are removed. I'd go with E.

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Ron Purewal says (and I post this here for the benefit of the group..I will take the KUDOS anyways ):
the correct answer to this problem is (e).

usually "thus" is used to mean roughly "therefore", BUT "thus" can mean "in the same way" or "in the same state".
for instance:
at maturity the caterpillar becomes a butterfly, and remains thus until its death. --> in this case, "thus" means "in the same state", and, therefore, means "as a butterfly".

same thing in choice (e), in which "thus" means "in the form of diamond".

this IS the intended meaning: AT THE TIME WHEN the pressure is removed, the substance stays in the form of diamond.

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(d) is incorrect.

* "in this way" is unidiomatic here.
"in this way" can refer only to the MANNER IN WHICH AN EVENT OR ACTION OCCURS OR IS PERFORMED.
it CANNOT refer to the physical state of something. for instance, in the above example, you CANNOT use "in this way" to refer to the butterfly stage.

also:
* if you use "although", you are basically declaring that "the heat and pressure are removed".
in other words, "X, although Y" expresses the idea that X and Y are both facts (although they contrast with each other in some way).
this is not the intended meaning; "heat and pressure are removed" is a hypothetical that may or may not happen, and so should be introduced with "when" or "if" rather than "although".

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02 Sep 2010, 20:10
D for me to seems gramatically strong.

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03 Sep 2010, 11:14
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Ron Purewal says (and I post this here for the benefit of the group..I will take the KUDOS anyways ):
the correct answer to this problem is (e).

usually "thus" is used to mean roughly "therefore", BUT "thus" can mean "in the same way" or "in the same state".
for instance:
at maturity the caterpillar becomes a butterfly, and remains thus until its death. --> in this case, "thus" means "in the same state", and, therefore, means "as a butterfly".

same thing in choice (e), in which "thus" means "in the form of diamond".

this IS the intended meaning: AT THE TIME WHEN the pressure is removed, the substance stays in the form of diamond.

--

(d) is incorrect.

* "in this way" is unidiomatic here.
"in this way" can refer only to the MANNER IN WHICH AN EVENT OR ACTION OCCURS OR IS PERFORMED.
it CANNOT refer to the physical state of something. for instance, in the above example, you CANNOT use "in this way" to refer to the butterfly stage.

also:
* if you use "although", you are basically declaring that "the heat and pressure are removed".
in other words, "X, although Y" expresses the idea that X and Y are both facts (although they contrast with each other in some way).
this is not the intended meaning; "heat and pressure are removed" is a hypothetical that may or may not happen, and so should be introduced with "when" or "if" rather than "although".

-End of Ron's message

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I picked E ...in the same way can not describe a state .. But I was not very sure of use of thus .... hence picked E ....

but this explanation above has cleared all the doubts

thanx

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04 Dec 2010, 09:53
I have marked the answer as E, but OA is D. Someone please confirm.

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05 Dec 2010, 08:15
I dont agree with D, the in used in D really stinks
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05 Dec 2010, 08:16
Check this out http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/sc- ... t7182.html
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05 Dec 2010, 09:09
So, the correct choice is E. Thanks for the above link. Some takeaway:

the meaning of "thus" in the above post.
usually "thus" is used to mean roughly "therefore",
BUT
"thus" can mean "in the same way" or "in the same state".
for instance:
at maturity the caterpillar becomes a butterfly, and remains thus until its death. --> in this case, "thus" means "in the same state", and, therefore, means "as a butterfly".

same thing in choice (e), in which "thus" means "in the form of diamond".

this IS the intended meaning: AT THE TIME WHEN the pressure is removed, the substance stays in the form of diamond.

--

(d) is incorrect.

* "in this way" is unidiomatic here.
"in this way" can refer only to the MANNER IN WHICH AN EVENT OR ACTION OCCURS OR IS PERFORMED.
it CANNOT refer to the physical state of something. for instance, in the above example, you CANNOT use "in this way" to refer to the butterfly stage.

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18 Aug 2012, 05:53
For those of you still having any doubts, see the below link from New York times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/22/science/with-a-mighty-squeeze-nitrogen-is-transformed.html

This sentence is picked as it is from this article. The correct form uses the structure as in option E.

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Under high pressure and intense heat, graphite, the most stable form of pure carbon, changes into
the substance commonly referred to as diamond and remaining this way whether or not the heat
and pressure are removed.
A. remaining this way whether or not
B. remaining like that even as
C. remaining as such whether or not
D. remains in this way although
E. remains thus even when
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