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Yes that is what they knew most people will assume, but in the context of sentence like is correct, as like is being used to compare sources of income.

Also "other sources such as ground floor rent for restaurants" is not correct.
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Can anyone help explain the difference between " required that condominium associations receive at least 80 ," and "required condominium associations receive at least 80 ?"

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Can anyone help explain the difference between " required that condominium associations receive at least 80 ," and "required condominium associations receive at least 80 ?"

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Second one is just wrong. required takes either that or to form. So required that or required condominium associations to would be correct.
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Can anyone help explain the difference between " required that condominium associations receive at least 80 ," and "required condominium associations receive at least 80 ?"

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Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required condominium associations receive at atleast 80 - this is wrong because it seems the rule required condominium whereas originally the sentence means to say - the rule required that "condominium associations receive at least the condomi 80" (i.e the whole clause after THAT is what rule implied to say not just the condominium (as without using that would imply) .It's a meaning error !

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In option A..."Like" is used to compare two things("income from other sources" with "ground-floor rent") not to list examples.

How do we know that like is being used to compare and not to list examples?
My impression was that restaurant is an example of the source

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mohit879 wrote:

In option A..."Like" is used to compare two things("income from other sources" with "ground-floor rent") not to list examples.

How do we know that like is being used to compare and not to list examples?
My impression was that restaurant is an example of the source


The ground floor rent IS NOT one of income sources for the condominum associations (CAs), but it IS one of income sources for restaurants. So, the "other sources" for CAs are compared to the other sources for restaurants (such as ground-floor rent), and the "ground-floor rent" is not an income source for CAs, thus it is not an example of "other sources" for CAs.

This is the case with the "like".

Further, "required that" uses correct Command Subjunctive. As to the previous posts, the "have" in the second clause can be omitted without any damage to the sentence. It is redundant. The comma before ", and" is also correctly placed, as a comma between two long parallel clauses should be (also before the coordinating conjunction and!).

A is the best answer choice

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Here is the official explanation from Veritas.

Answer is (A). The primary difficulty in this question refers to a false decision point between “such as” and “like”. Generally speaking, you use “such as” when what follows is an example of what precedes it and you use “like” when you are making a comparison. However, grammar experts do not agree on this usage and many top editors (including most at the New York Times) permit the usage of like in examples like “colors like pink and red.” Be careful about applying rules that you think are strict when they really are not: in math 2 + 2 is always 4 but in grammar there are few absolutes. Therefore, at the end both “like” and “such as” are acceptable so you must find other decision points.

In (B) there is no active verb as “requiring” is just a participle. In (C), (D), and (E) “have no more…” is incorrect: you do not “have 20% of your income from other sources” you “receive 20% of your income from other sources”. Only (A) gets the predication correct: “require that associations receive at least 80% from this…, and no more than 20% from other sources” The comma confuses some students but it is there to make it clear that the first part ends after “from shareholders.” The sentence is really “receive at least 80% from this and no more than 20% from this…”.

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use LIKE with a noun..use as with a clause

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hi..can some please explain : why A is incorrect - which implies that 'like' is used to compare gross income from their tenant-shareholders and ground-floor rent for restaurants

how does the meaning imply that its not an example and it represents comparison. Clearly i am missing the point.
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Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and no more than 20 percent from other sources, like ground-floor rent for restaurants.

• Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and no more than 20 percent from other sources, like ground-floor rent for restaurants.
• Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” requiring that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and have no more than 20 percent from other sources, such as ground-floor rent for restaurants.
• Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required condominium associations to receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and have no more than 20 percent from other sources, such as ground-floor rent for restaurants.
• Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required that condominium associations receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and have no more than 20 percent from other sources, such as ground-floor rent for restaurants.
• Until 2010, a state tax regulation known as the “80-20 rule” required condominium associations to receive at least 80 percent of their gross income from their tenant-shareholders, and to have no more than 20 percent from other sources, like ground-floor rent for restaurants.
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Veritas gives this solution-

Solution: A

Explanation: The primary difficulty in this question refers to a false decision point between “such as” and “like”. Generally speaking, you use “such as” when what follows is an example of what precedes it and you use “like” when you are making a comparison. However, grammar experts do not agree on this usage and many top editors (including most at the New York Times) permit the usage of like in examples like “colors like pink and red.” Be careful about applying rules that you think are strict when they really are not: in math 2 + 2 is always 4 but in grammar there are few absolutes. Therefore, at the end both “like” and “such as” are acceptable so you must find other decision points. In (B) there is no active verb as “requiring” is just a participle. In (C), (D), and (E) “have no more…” is incorrect: you do not “have 20% of your income from other sources” you “receive 20% of your income from other sources”. Only (A) gets the predication correct: “require that associations receive at least 80% from this…, and no more than 20% from other sources” The comma confuses some students but it is there to make it clear that the first part ends after “from shareholders.” The sentence is really “receive at least 80% from this and no more than 20% from this…”. Answer is (A).

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I have learnt in fact most of us-
Like: comparison
Such as: Examples.

This question and its application is challenging my entire understanding and Knowledge about Sentence Correction.

In the initial Full reading i realized that question has nothing wrong accept like, but then I searched for options that has such as.
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I almost fell into the trap of "like" and "such as" but then found atleast one error in each of those answer choices except A. "when I looked at "have no more", it made me suspicious since it didnt make sense and drifted my thinking away from "like" and "such as". The only option left out was A.

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I almost fell into the trap of "like" and "such as" but then found atleast one error in each of those answer choices except A. "when I looked at "have no more", it made me suspicious since it didnt make sense and drifted my thinking away from "like" and "such as". The only option left out was A.


But this was one of the trickiest question I have ever seen.
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Tricky question. thanks for posting. I fell for "such as". I knew "and have no more..." is wrong but "such as" trumped it. wrong! Something to remember.
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Only A seems grammatically correct completely.
B doesn't have a working verb.
In C & E,'required condominium associations' changes the intended meaning.
In D,'have' is not required.

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Tricky question. thanks for posting. I fell for "such as". I knew "and have no more..." is wrong but "such as" trumped it. wrong! Something to remember.


True this one was really tricky a tricky question.
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Is this a OG source question? If it is not then the question does not seem logical to me.

What magazine editors think of like and such as is irrelevant in GMAT.

A also can also be treated as incorrect on ground of 'Such as' Vs 'Like'. This idiom is a make or break as per GMAC.

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Is this a OG source question? If it is not then the question does not seem logical to me.

What magazine editors think of like and such as is irrelevant in GMAT.

A also can also be treated as incorrect on ground of 'Such as' Vs 'Like'. This idiom is a make or break as per GMAC.


This is a Veritas question. I think we should request some expert to comment on this.
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There is a big problem with D!!

and have no more than 20 percent from other sources is wrong.Have should not be used here...

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I think we better stop learning from this sentence. What matters here is the GMAC's style.

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