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Using technical knowledge and experience, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods.


A. Using technical knowledge and experience, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods

B. Using technical knowledge and experience, ceramic artists manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting as well as firing methods

C. Using technical knowledge and experience, ceramic artists manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods

D. Ceramic artists, using technical knowledge as well as experience, manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods

E. Using technical knowledge, experience and an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists

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New post 10 Jun 2018, 12:21
IMO the answer is C. Ceramic artists has to follow first verbing modifier. Next use of and in both lists is desirable.
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A. Using technical knowledge and experience, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - nothing wrong. But it is in passive voice so if we have grammatically correct active voice option, we choose that. Keep.

B. Using technical knowledge and experience, ceramic artists manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting ((as well as)) firing methods - incorrect.

C. Using technical knowledge and experience, ceramic artists manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - active voice. No Grammar error. Keep.

D. Ceramic artists, using technical knowledge as well as experience, manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - it has a subtle change in meaning. Moreover, a simple construction in C is better than that in D.

E. Using technical knowledge, experience and an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists - meaning change.

Hence, we are left with A and C. C is active voice. So, we keep C and let go off A.

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IMO C
Agree with above explanation of SonalSinha803 except for A- where can be eliminated because using is modifying ceramic artists
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New post 11 Jun 2018, 01:54
IMO C
Agree with above explanation of SonalSinha803 except for A, which can be eliminated because 'using' is modifying 'clay' but not 'ceramic artists' as in other options B & D
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A. Using technical knowledge and experience, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - nothing wrong. But it is in passive voice so if we have grammatically correct active voice option, we choose that. Keep.

B. Using technical knowledge and experience, ceramic artists manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting ((as well as)) firing methods - incorrect.

C. Using technical knowledge and experience, ceramic artists manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - active voice. No Grammar error. Keep.

D. Ceramic artists, using technical knowledge as well as experience, manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - it has a subtle change in meaning. Moreover, a simple construction in C is better than that in D.

E. Using technical knowledge, experience and an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists - meaning change.

Hence, we are left with A and C. C is active voice. So, we keep C and let go off A.

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I did not find any grammar mistake in B Can you please explain why B is incorrect .
I think as well as is an add on phrase is correct here .
Meaning wise i think C makes more sense as the two options are used just equally .
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Using technical knowledge and experience, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods.


A. Using technical knowledge and experience, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods

B. Using technical knowledge and experience, ceramic artists manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting as well as firing methods

C. Using technical knowledge and experience, ceramic artists manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods

D. Ceramic artists, using technical knowledge as well as experience, manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods

E. Using technical knowledge, experience and an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists



A- wrong modifier for clay ... It can not use technical knowledge .. CHUCK
B- wrong usage of as well as .. It changes the meaning of the sentence. As per the meaning artists manipulate clay and firing methods. But intended meaning of the sentence is - artists manipulate clay .. with help of creative sculpting and firing methods. CHUCK
C- Hold may be Correct. The two lists (creative sculpting and firing methods) properly modify clay in form of a prepositional phrase.
D- the verb should be preferred close to ceramic artists .. Why is it so far away? CHUCK
E- This is horrible. Very difficult and painful to even read through .. the knowledge , experience and ..... modifies clay . It should modify the artist. It is also in passive form. CHUCK.

IMO C .. (over D, B is clearly wrong and distorts the meaning )
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SonalSinha803 wrote:
A. Using technical knowledge and experience, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - nothing wrong. But it is in passive voice so if we have grammatically correct active voice option, we choose that. Keep.

B. Using technical knowledge and experience, ceramic artists manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting ((as well as)) firing methods - incorrect.

C. Using technical knowledge and experience, ceramic artists manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - active voice. No Grammar error. Keep.

D. Ceramic artists, using technical knowledge as well as experience, manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - it has a subtle change in meaning. Moreover, a simple construction in C is better than that in D.

E. Using technical knowledge, experience and an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods, clay is manipulated by ceramic artists - meaning change.

Hence, we are left with A and C. C is active voice. So, we keep C and let go off A.

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Could you please elaborate the subtle change in the meaning?
the later part of your explanation for option D is right but plz explain the former one

In both the options (c D) the modifiers are modifying artists. the modifier answers the "how aspect".

even in my opinion option C is right but I would like to know the " subtle change in meaning " in option D.
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Hi AdityaHongunti

The phrase “as well as” and the single word and are not equivalents because and joins two elements of equal importance, but “as well as” places more emphasis on one of the elements. Compare:

My dog and cat bring me things to throw.
My cat and dog bring me things to throw.
My cat, as well as my dog, brings me things to throw.

In the first two sentences, no distinction is made between cat and dog. In the third sentence, an unequal emphasis is placed upon cat, suggesting that there is something notable about the action as it applies to the cat.

This use of “as well as” is similar to the correlative “not only…but also”
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I know why C is correct but I don't have sufficient grounds to eliminate D. Pls help
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The construction is problematic and dubious in D. Look at the following perceptions.

1. Comma + verbing, located after a clause, will modify the previous clause either as a result of the action thereof or as an addition informer. However, the problem is when you don't have a previous clause, as in D. You only have a noun phrase in front.

2. Why can't the modifier modify the noun phrase in front?

Ceramic artists, using technical knowledge as well as experience, manipulate clay, It can, but we don't need the comma now before the verb+ing word as even without the comma, it can modify the noun in front. Perhaps the very reason that the comma has been provided is to prevent it from modifying the preceding noun.

3. Can the verb+ing act as an adjective and modify some noun that comes later after the second comma?
However, we don't have such a noun in the later part; we only have a verb 'manipulate.'

We can make bold to say that the modifier in D is dangling without an appropriate modifiable entity.
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The construction is problematic and dubious in D. Look at the following perceptions.

1. Comma + verbing, located after a clause, will modify the previous clause either as a result of the action thereof or as an addition informer. However, the problem is when you don't have a previous clause, as in D. You only have a noun phrase in front.

2. Why can't the modifier modify the noun phrase in front?

Ceramic artists, using technical knowledge as well as experience, manipulate clay, It can, but we don't need the comma now before the verb+ing word as even without the comma, it can modify the noun in front. Perhaps the very reason that the comma has been provided is to prevent it from modifying the preceding noun.

3. Can the verb+ing act as an adjective and modify some noun that comes later after the second comma?
However, we don't have such a noun in the later part; we only have a verb 'manipulate.'

We can make bold to say that the modifier in D is dangling without an appropriate modifiable entity.


Hi daagh,
My logic for eliminating D was, because of "Using......." modifier, placed between two commas, suggesting additional information not, essential information. Whereas, this was essential information.
Is it right?
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D. Ceramic artists, using technical knowledge as well as experience, manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - it has a subtle change in meaning. Moreover, a simple construction in C is better than that in D.


Is it that essential? Whether they manipulate clay using their knowledge or/and experience or even perhaps by magic does not matter as long as they achieve the results. IMO, the parenthesis is not so essential.

However, did you notice, in this question, the author describes even a plural word such as 'firing methods' with an endless 'amount' in all the choices? It is fatally wrong to mark a plural and distinctly countable noun with 'amount.' Isn't it?
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D. Ceramic artists, using technical knowledge as well as experience, manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods - it has a subtle change in meaning. Moreover, a simple construction in C is better than that in D.


Is it that essential? Whether they manipulate clay using their knowledge or/and experience or even perhaps by magic does not matter as long as they achieve the results. IMO, the parenthesis is not so essential.

However, did you notice, in this question, the author describes even a plural word such as 'firing methods' with an endless 'amount' in all the choices? It is fatally wrong to mark a plural and distinctly countable noun with 'amount.' Isn't it?


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D. Ceramic artists, using technical knowledge as well as experience, manipulate clay with an endless amount of creative sculpting and firing methods

When the modification is not apparent, we have to go by logic since nobody other than the artists could have used technical knowledge as well as experience. I would instead say that a noun phrase interrupted by a separated from its verb is somewhat stylistically inferior to the choice that uses the modifier as an adjectival modifier and modifies the noun immediately after as seen in C.

Similarly, in the given case, two modifiers that come after it as in A. modify the noun phrase in the front.
You might see all other choices from B to E falter on parallelism.
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