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Author: | GMATGuruNY [ 29 Dec 2021, 05:18 ] |
Post subject: | Re: During the tenure of Steve Jobs, which was memorable as much for his |
jabhatta2 wrote: Hi GMATGuruNY - Isn't the 'which' in E referring to the first singular noun [i.e. "steve jobs"] and not "Tenure" Reason -- the verb after 'which' is Was Was is a singular verb and thus the 'which'' has to refer to a singular noun only The closest singular noun is 'steve jobs' and not "tenure" I got this rule from your comment below from another website (screenshot below) To clarify the rule in the screenshot: which may not serve to refer to a person or to people. As a result, COMMA + which + SINGULAR VERB should refer to the nearest preceding NONPERSON singular noun. OA: During the tenure of Steve Jobs, which was memorable as much for his dictatorial management style as for his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded that of any other large technology company in the world. Here, COMMA + which was correctly refers to tenure (the nearest preceding nonperson singular noun). |
Author: | DmitryFarber [ 30 Dec 2021, 01:51 ] |
Post subject: | Re: During the tenure of Steve Jobs, which was memorable as much for his |
jabhatta2 See the explanation from GMATNinja up top. Although we generally apply noun modifiers (including "which" and "who") to the adjacent noun, this isn't an absolute rule. We certainly see cases in which the modifier applies to the entire noun phrase ahead of it, as in "The King of Spain, who visited in the spring, was surprised by the latest developments." We know it's the king--not Spain--who visited, so this isn't a problem. "Of Spain" just tells us which king we're talking about, just as "of Steve Jobs" tells us which tenure we're talking about. |
Author: | jabhatta2 [ 30 Dec 2021, 11:22 ] |
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DmitryFarber wrote: jabhatta2 See the explanation from GMATNinja up top. Although we generally apply noun modifiers (including "which" and "who") to the adjacent noun, this isn't an absolute rule. We certainly see cases in which the modifier applies to the entire noun phrase ahead of it, as in "The King of Spain, who visited in the spring, was surprised by the latest developments." We know it's the king--not Spain--who visited, so this isn't a problem. "Of Spain" just tells us which king we're talking about, just as "of Steve Jobs" tells us which tenure we're talking about. Thank you so much Dmitry for your response. |
Author: | DamanDeep [ 24 Nov 2022, 06:41 ] |
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Skywalker18 wrote: During the tenure of Steve Jobs, which was known for his dictatorial management style and for his innovative ventures, the growth of Apple Inc. exceeded any large technology company in the world. (A) which was memorable as much for his dictatorial management style as for his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded any - Incorrect comparison - (B) memorable both for his dictatorial management style and his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple was exceeded by that of no other - Both X and Y -- X and Y should be parallel (C) who was memorable for his dictatorial management style and his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded that of any - The growth of Apple can't exceed its own growth since any will include Apple too. (D) who was memorable as much for his dictatorial management style as for his groundbreaking product innovations, Apple exceeded every other - unclear meaning - what of Apple exceeded every other (E) which was memorable as much for his dictatorial management style as for his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded that of any other - Correct Answer E Here we are talking about large tech company. nowhere mentioned apple is large tech company. |
Author: | ExpertsGlobal5 [ 25 Nov 2022, 05:54 ] |
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8427791377 wrote: Skywalker18 wrote: During the tenure of Steve Jobs, which was known for his dictatorial management style and for his innovative ventures, the growth of Apple Inc. exceeded any large technology company in the world. (A) which was memorable as much for his dictatorial management style as for his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded any - Incorrect comparison - (B) memorable both for his dictatorial management style and his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple was exceeded by that of no other - Both X and Y -- X and Y should be parallel (C) who was memorable for his dictatorial management style and his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded that of any - The growth of Apple can't exceed its own growth since any will include Apple too. (D) who was memorable as much for his dictatorial management style as for his groundbreaking product innovations, Apple exceeded every other - unclear meaning - what of Apple exceeded every other (E) which was memorable as much for his dictatorial management style as for his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded that of any other - Correct Answer E Here we are talking about large tech company. nowhere mentioned apple is large tech company. Hello 8427791377, We hope this finds you well. To clarify, the phrase "any other large tech company" implicitly conveys that "Apple" belongs to the category of "large tech company". We hope this helps. All the best! Experts' Global Team |
Author: | DmitryFarber [ 28 Nov 2022, 14:19 ] |
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8427791377 I see your point--we shouldn't have to know that Apple is a large tech company. (Although surely we do know that, unless we have been hiding in a cave since the 1970's. ![]() |
Author: | sayanghosh48 [ 02 Dec 2022, 13:33 ] |
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(C) who was memorable for his dictatorial management style and his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded that of any I am confused with what "who" is modifying. it seems that "who" being a noun modifier modifies Steve Jobs, as a noun modifier must be touching the noun it modifies as per Manhattan Prep, But then I am again thinking it might be modifying "tenure" as "of Steve Jobs" is a noun modifier of "tenure" and as tenure is the subject, that is what "who" is modifying here. can anyone correct where I am going wrong with the second part of thinking? |
Author: | GMATNinja [ 07 Dec 2022, 20:23 ] |
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sayanghosh48 wrote: (C) who was memorable for his dictatorial management style and his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded that of any I am confused with what "who" is modifying. it seems that "who" being a noun modifier modifies Steve Jobs, as a noun modifier must be touching the noun it modifies as per Manhattan Prep, But then I am again thinking it might be modifying "tenure" as "of Steve Jobs" is a noun modifier of "tenure" and as tenure is the subject, that is what "who" is modifying here. can anyone correct where I am going wrong with the second part of thinking? First of all, keep in mind that a noun modifier does not HAVE to touch the noun in modifies. Choice (E) is a great example of an exception to the so-called touch rule. (For more on that, check out section called "Usage #4: 'that' as a modifier" in this article: https://gmatclub.com/forum/experts-topi ... 43686.html. Or this video on SC noun modifiers might help, too.) That said, we wouldn't use "who" to modify "tenure" -- we'd use "which" or "that" instead. "Who" definitely seems to modify "Steve Jobs" in choice (C). But choice (C) has other issues, as explained here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/during-the-t ... l#p1901790. |
Author: | arya251294 [ 28 Dec 2022, 04:00 ] |
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GMATNinja wrote: This one is tricky! (And apologies to anybody who saw a version with some discrepancies between the original underlined portion and answer choice (A). The problem has been fixed.) If you get too mechanical with the word "which", you can get yourself into trouble here, especially if you're not paying obsessively close attention to the meaning of each of the answer choices. Quote: (A) which was memorable as much for his dictatorial management style as for his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded any “Which” can’t modify a person, so you might automatically think that this one is wrong, since “which” seems to be modifying “Steve Jobs.” But as we discussed in our long-winded article about the many uses of “that” on the GMAT, it can be perfectly OK for a noun modifier (“that” or “which”, for example) to “reach behind” a prepositional phrase. So (A) is saying that “the tenure of Steve Jobs” was memorable for a couple of different reasons. That seems fine. But there’s a different problem: “the growth of Apple exceeded any large technology company.” Nope. We can’t really compare the growth of Apple to “any large technology company.” (A) is out. Quote: (B) memorable both for his dictatorial management style and his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple was exceeded by that of no other There’s a nice, clear parallelism error here: “both for his dictatorial management style and his groundbreaking product innovations.” “Both” is followed by a prepositional phrase, and “and” is followed by a noun, and that’s not OK. (B) is gone. Quote: (C) who was memorable for his dictatorial management style and his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded that of any I guess I’m OK with the modifier beginning with “who”, though I think it would make more sense if we modify the entire phrase “tenure of Steve Jobs”, instead of just Steve Jobs. But I guess it’s not DEFINITELY wrong to use “who” here. The bigger problem is that the comparison at the end is just a tiny bit off. "That" is a singular pronoun referring back to "the growth", so then we have: “…the growth of Apple exceeded {the growth of} any technology company in the world.” This is subtle as hell, but Apple’s growth didn’t exceed the growth of any technology company – it exceeded the growth of any other technology company. Nasty! (And here’s an official question that has a similar issue, in case you think we’re inventing weird stuff.) So (C) is out. Quote: (D) who was memorable as much for his dictatorial management style as for his groundbreaking product innovations, Apple exceeded every other As mentioned in (C), I’m not crazy about the use of “who” here, but again, I’m not sure that it’s wrong. The comparison at the end of the underlined portion is definitely wrong, though: it’s literally saying that Apple itself exceeded every other tech company, and that doesn’t make sense. (D) is gone. Crap, I hope we like (E). Quote: (E) which was memorable as much for his dictatorial management style as for his groundbreaking product innovations, the growth of Apple exceeded that of any other Not bad! The phrase beginning with “which” correctly modifies “the tenure of Steve Jobs”, and that makes sense. And the comparison is finally better: “the growth of Apple exceeded {the growth of} any other large tech company…” That works. (E) is the answer. I was going through Wren & Martin the other day and it explained the same concept that you have explained in option C. If my memory serves me well, it was something like this - "Gold is more expensive than any metal" Here, when we say that gold is more expensive than any metal, then the word "any" constitutes all the metals (gold also) which renders the sentence incorrect as gold can not be more expensive than itself. Therefore, the correct formation should be - "Gold is more expensive than any other metal" This "other" here is just to exclude gold from the list of all the metals. Unfortunately, I remembered this concept after reading your explanation and had marked the wrong answer before. Hopefully, I remember these things on the day of the test. |
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