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# What Are My Chances - Profile Evaluation Tool! WAMC

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Sounds like you have done quite a few things right…. Based what you have outlined, I don’t see any big or silly mistakes so to speak. Your GPA is on the lower side but hopefully you had some good reasons for that and you had a strong GRE score. there’s not much room to improve academically, not anything that you can change per se.

This was a competitive year but you seem to have competitive stats. However, not getting interview invites indicates that even a cursory look at your profile it was a pretty clear “no”. Schools review your profile twice. Once it’s a very fast cursory resort when they decide who to interview. They usually have very little time to read your essays and it’s a cursory check to make sure they have enough candidates for each bucket.

I’m honestly stumped….

I think you may benefit from getting deeper and talking to an admission consultant and getting a ding analysis type of a thing. They usually charge for it however. so it may cost you 500 bucks or something like that. Sometimes they can have a pretty clear pointer but another times it’s quite a dissatisfying answer but you will not know until you pay so speak…. Sorry wish I had a good clear answer for you and an easy fix.

PS. We need to change the re-applicant parameter in the tool I think. Reep applicant is not always bad and especially if you have some additional knowledge and improvements to your profile that you can highlight and bring which most often people can. Schools genuinely say and I believe them that they like Reapplicants, But they admit only the ones that show improvement. They like because it shows loyalty and commitment.

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What did the automated tool say by the way? I am curious.

I think you did a good job covering your weaknesses and applying to a number of programs but it seems they did not like something. Did you write an optional essay about your UG? Also, did you have strong reasons for why you were picking a new career path?

Your MBA is really the biggest influence on your first job out of MBA.

Also, maybe a silly question, did you attend school events and talk to any students or alums and network?

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I attended events for CBS, Tuck, and NYU. Reached out to a CBS student and Tuck alumni. Also spoke with the Tuck adcom, which is why I think I got the interview. I do think I have a strong reason for moving to PM (experience on product-facing teams and product roll-outs) and I wrote an optional essay.

If I fill out all the details in the automated tool (solid UG and well-known company for work) I get average probability for CBS. If I do reapplicant I get below average.
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­Great tool, would this work for MSBA too? (Im looking to do the 1 year msba at Emory)­
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It can show you competitiveness I guess but this was specifically designed for MBA where it requires work experience, leadership, and other features more suited for experienced professionals.
With Master's, there are fewer data points.... GPA becomes a lot more important and test scores as well.... or so I think at least as I am not a masters expert 😇
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Very interesting tool - would be great if there's atleast a drop-down for previous industry experience. That would also allow the algorithm to consider it while narrowing down colleges based on past preference / average admits under each industry.

Good work guys!
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My previous 2 employers were large IT giants with many B-school alums, but the current one (I just completed one year here) is a niche tech consulting firm (so consider no b-school alums). Which option is applicable for me in the 'Your Company' drop down list?
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My previous 2 employers were large IT giants with many B-school alums, but the current one (I just completed one year here) is a niche tech consulting firm (so consider no b-school alums). Which option is applicable for me in the 'Your Company' drop down list?

I think that's similar to have been working at Google and then leaving for a small startup. It is clear to the AdCom that you would not have left if it was not a better opportunity or better company. Thus the brand name of the former employer does help to off-set an unknown company that's last on your resume. Same could be if you have worked for 5 years in an uknown company and then joined a big an well-known firm very recently.
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Very interesting tool - would be great if there's atleast a drop-down for previous industry experience. That would also allow the algorithm to consider it while narrowing down colleges based on past preference / average admits under each industry.

Good work guys!

Honestly, I am not sure how we would be adding a lot of value by considering the industry... maybe. My thought is that 70% of applicants change their industry upon graduation and it probably does not matter if one worked in IT, Construction, or Military - they can all end up in consulting. Your industry would come in from your background (are there a lot of people from your industry applying or are you unique?).

You can look at the decision tracker and filters however, where people do indicate their background and industry where they are coming from. Just try to filter past years or the past few years - https://gmatclub.com/forum/decision-tracker.html
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bb I tried playing around with the tool (great idea btw!), and found that no matter what I select under 'Applications and Essays', the score doesn't change from "low". Is this a glitch?
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This is an amazing and a really helpful tool, bb! Great job!

Just wanted to understand whether the work experience and age is at the time of matriculation or at the time of application. Thanks!
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This is an amazing and a really helpful tool, bb! Great job!

Just wanted to understand whether the work experience and age is at the time of matriculation or at the time of application. Thanks!

Thank you for the question. The age and work experience are at matriculation. That's how applications consider it and how they report their student body incoming stats (GMAT, GPA, Age at matriculation, work experience at matriculation)
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Thank you for your questions and points. I have replied below in-line.

xprometheusx
Great tool. Wish I had this at the start of my application process. A few comments.

1) Can you provide a little more clarity on how background is defined? I would assume you mean ethnicity, but industry also plays a part I think.

This is really "competitiveness" - it is how over/under represented AdCom will consider you when you apply. E.g. if you are a white male banker from London, you are probably over-represented for LBS but under-represented in Kellogg for example. This depends on both your ethnicity/background but also work experience (E.g. Indian IT is a good example here for over-competitive pool that has 2 strikes against it)

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2) I also think adding something for GPA would be helpful. As I think they showed high GPA + high GMAT adds to your chances of receiving an interview.
We have considered this but decided not to for 2 main reasons: 1) GPA in the US, Europe, and Asia are reported on diff scales that are sometimes impossible to reconcile. 2) Even in the US, we found that GPA from a small state school and a school like Yale may not be comparable either unless you can say how you performed compared to your classmates, which is what we have chosen.

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3) For the school portion, are you counting the specific college within the university, or the ranking of the university as a whole? AKA some school might be top 50, but their undergrad business is top 10.

This is looking from the lens of the AdCom - e.g. first of all - is this a well known undergrad school that has a number of applicants to the BSchool? If yes, is this the "easier-to-get-into" college within the university or more competitive one? Obviously it won't matter if the answer to the first question is a "no" where AdCom knows little about the university in general but if the answer is Yes, you can definitely put Top 10 for the specific major/college.

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4) Age bracket wise is it based on date of matriculation or date of application.
Thank you. This is matriculation. I have added a clarification note into the first post.

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5) I personally don't mind having the grading be harsher as giving false hope is not good also. This is a "rough" outline on your chances, there is so much more to you as a candidate that could greatly affect your chances.

Thank you! I just did not want anyone to be frustrated or upset that we are being overly harsh. We will get nicer with time. I promise
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Hi - thanks for this tool.

Questions:

1. am I unique or under-represented? I am a Mongolian born and raised female, currently in the US (came for college and got a job here). My tribal name is Chingghis (like Genghis, if that is helpful?) Not tibetan but close-enough. At the same time, central asia/eastern asia is not necessarily the minority...
Was not sure where to really place myself in the spectrum of "uniqueness". Some additional guidance in how to best evaluate background profile will help.

2. I went to one of the seven sisters schools in the US. Are these considered top 20? or top 20+? not sure which ranking is being referenced here...We do have a good # of top MBA alumnae

3. Professional experience-wise, I worked for a boutique consulting firm (management/strategy) that worked with a wide variety of clients, including Fortune 500. Will this be a medium-tier or household brand? all of our manager and above are b-school graduates (but range from Ohio Fischer to Dartmouth, Ross, INSEAD)

4. International experience: will undergrad internships and study-abroad count? also, will the fact that I am from a different (non-US) country, come into play and put me automatically in the "strong international experience" bucket? I have also worked on one really large project for an International (european) client where I got to travel for a whole year - not sure if this counts?

5. my recommenders are two very diff people - 1 is a Fischer graduate and the founder and Partner of our company who knows me well, the other is my mentor at my company who worked at the firm for 7 years and has managerial position but no MBA (she is an alum from my college) and knows me very, very well. Both will vouch for me strongly. will their combination qualify for "top notch" status or "medium"?

Thanks!
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Good work, souvik101990, bb & team!

I liked the part that you've also included some subjective aspects like the application / essay quality, in addition to the tangible/quantifiable parameters.

Aligned with the point on writing skills, it may be helpful to have a similar one on 'Interviewing skills'.

We've seen a lot of strong candidates with excellent stats stumbling at that final stage.

On a related note, we have been using a similar tool called the MBA MAP (MBA Mock Application Process) for over a decade. We use a mix of data and human related inputs to analyze the candidate's profile strength and rate the level of difficulty for each of the top 100 bschools. Here's more on how the MBA MAP works.

A few other admissions consulting firms also host fully-automated chances evaluator tools on their website, with a varying number of parameters/dimensions.

Many applicants ask us how accurate such tools are. We say it's helpful to use them to get a general idea, but it's equally important to do independent research and not base their big decisions based on a single data point.

Nevertheless, it can be a good launch pad to understand what parameters affect their odds.

Originally posted by MBACrystalBall on 08 Nov 2019, 00:08.
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Hi Team, the tool is amazing. I had a question around the professional experience option, would a Big-4 be considered under regular feeder to B-schools? I would believe it is.
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Hi Team, the tool is amazing. I had a question around the professional experience option, would a Big-4 be considered under regular feeder to B-schools? I would believe it is.

Big 4 audit, Big 4 strategy, Big 4 advisory, international, US based?

There are a lot of factors to consider here when discussing the Big 4. Poets and Quants feel that for Harvard, Big 4 audit is essentially "bronze", advisory/strategy is "silver". If you are international due to the competitive nature you can bump audit to "silver", and advisory/strategy to "gold".
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Hi and thank you for your question. You would be considered a domestic applicant as long as you are a US Citizen or permanent resident.

I would probably choose average or under represented due to the high school/college experience you have outlined.

Anyone else has more insights on how adcom considers people who have moved countries pre college and hold a US citizenship?

PS. For age, you would choose age at matriculation.

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Hi and thank you for your question. You would be considered a domestic applicant as long as you are a US Citizen or permanent resident.

I would probably choose average or under represented due to the high school/college experience you have outlined.

Anyone else has more insights on how adcom considers people who have moved countries pre college and hold a US citizenship?

PS. For age, you would choose age at matriculation.

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HI BB,

I think your response raises the question again. What exactly does over represented mean. From his profile, yes he has a unique story, but if from an adcom perpsective, all they see is Asian (or Indian) CPA. There has to be hundreds of those applicants every year.

I guess my view would be if you want to have a more accurate and reflective chance calculator, wouldn't the overrepresented/underrepresented background read more as your Resume? None of the items he mentioned would come out during a resume, but would come out during the essay so wouldn't that fall under strong/weak essay category?
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bb
Hi and thank you for your question. You would be considered a domestic applicant as long as you are a US Citizen or permanent resident.

I would probably choose average or under represented due to the high school/college experience you have outlined.

Anyone else has more insights on how adcom considers people who have moved countries pre college and hold a US citizenship?

PS. For age, you would choose age at matriculation.

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HI BB,

I think your response raises the question again. What exactly does over represented mean. From his profile, yes he has a unique story, but if from an adcom perpsective, all they see is Asian (or Indian) CPA. There has to be hundreds of those applicants every year.

I guess my view would be if you want to have a more accurate and reflective chance calculator, wouldn't the overrepresented/underrepresented background read more as your Resume? None of the items he mentioned would come out during a resume, but would come out during the essay so wouldn't that fall under strong/weak essay category?

Yes, I am a US Citizen. Yes, I think at the very worst, I should be put in the same bucket as anyone else who grew up in the US. In fact, I would argue I have a much more unique and desirable background than my kids would in 25-30 years for example. My kids will likely grow up in an affluent suburb, their school will likely be paid off before they graduate, and they will have parents with a house without a Mortgage. I didn't have any of those.

Anyway, I don't want to go to the AdCom and depict a sobbing story of my poor immigrant background but I do think I need to highlight what I've learned and Who I have become by working all day Saturday and Sunday at the back of a restaurant when I was 15 while all my high school friends just hung out or went to the mall. I do think having to work 40 hour weeks and studying Accounting and still managing to get all As (one B) in all the Accounting courses make my story at least a little impressive. I think a 80-90% GMAT score given my background is much more impressive than it would be for someone like my kids (Sorry kids).

Any suggestion as to how/where I highlight these without begging for an admission? I think the essays are going to be my best bet and of course at the interview to show my character if I do get to the interview stage. Do you think I missed anything?
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but your story may not be as unique as you think. There are plenty of candidates from similar or even less privileged backgrounds, or faced adversity on their way to success.

What will set you apart is how those experiences affected you and how you are a strong candidate because of those experiences and how they will serve to propel you even higher in the future. (Other people feel free to weigh in). What I am saying is the experiences along will not help your narrative, the way they shaped you and your future will.

On a more practical note, depending on the school, that story can be hard to weave in since you are given strict and concise word counts. An admissions consultant might be able to help provide ideas/critiques to make sure it fits with your overall narrative.

I appreciate your input. I know a lot of people in the world have gone through worse adversities so I do understand your point. And you have a good point, I may not be able to go into those details without sounding like I'm begging for an admission.

With that being said, it might all just come down to my GPA, WE, GMAT score as usual.
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