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What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?


A. \(x \leq 1\)

B. \(-1 < x \leq 0\)

C. \(0 < x \leq 1\) 

D. \(x > 1\)

E. All real numbers


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Asked: What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?

Since xy = x+y
xy - y = x
y(x-1) = x
y = x/(x-1)

Since xy > 0
x^2/(x-1)>0
\(x \neq 0\)
x-1>0
x>1

IMO D
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Alternative approach, almost without calculation :
Start from xy > 0, we know that x cannot be 0.
So we can eliminate A, B, and E, where x can equal 0.

That leaves us with C or D.
Notice that x may equal 1 in C, but x cannot be 1 in D.
So we should check whether x can be 1.
We know that xy = x + y.
If we substitute x = 1, the equation becomes y = 1 + y and then 0 = 1 (!!!???)
Now we can conclude that x cannot be 1 and we can eliminate C.
D is the remaining possible answer and it is the correct one.
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What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?


A. x≤1

B. −1<x≤0

C. 0<x≤1

D. x>1

E. All real numbers

xy > 0 this means either:

1. x>0 AND y>0
2. x<0 AND y<0

xy = x + y

Now the other part of the question. Therefore x+ y > 0 since xy > 0

x + y > 0 can only be true if x or y are positive or both. And since we have the 2 statements above. x<0 AND y<0 can be eliminated.

Therefore eliminate A, B, E

Now between C and D. Get y on one side

xy = x + y

xy - y = x

y(x-1) = x

y = x / (x-1)

x cannot be 1. Eliminate C Hence answer is D
Also if x=1 was not part of C. The denominator would be negative if x was a fraction between 0 and 1, hence giving a negative y value but we know this cannot be true since BOTH x AND y must be positive
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BrentGMATPrepNow wrote:
parkhydel wrote:
What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?

A. \(x \leq 1\)
B. \(-1 < x \leq 0\)
C. \(0 < x \leq 1\) 
D. \(x > 1\)
E. All real numbers

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Given: \(xy = x + y\)
Subtract \(y\) from both sides to get: \(xy - y= x\)
Factor: \(y(x-1)=x\)
Divide both sides by \(x-1\) to get: \(y=\frac{x}{x-1}\)

Important: At this point, there are at least two different approaches we can take

APPROACH #1:
Now that we know \(y=\frac{x}{x-1}\), we can readily see that x cannot equal 1, otherwise, the denominator in y is 0, which would make y undefined.
At this point we can eliminate answer choices A, C and E, since they all allow for x to equal 1.
Since we're down to just two answer choices, let's just test some x-value.

For example, if \(x = 2\), then we get: \(y=\frac{x}{x-1}=\frac{2}{2-1}=1\).
So, \(x = 2\) and \(y = 1\) is a possible solution to the system of equations.
Since it's possible for x to equal 2, we can eliminate answer choice B

By the process of elimination, the correct answer is D.

APPROACH #2:
We've already concluded that: \(y=\frac{x}{x-1}\)

Now take the given inequality, \(xy > 0\), and replace \(y\) with \(\frac{x}{x-1}\) to get: \((x)(\frac{x}{x-1})>0\)
Simplify: \(\frac{x^2}{x-1}>0\)

Since \(x^2\) is always greater or equal to 0, it must be the case that the denominator, \(x-1\), is positive
In other words, it must be the case that: \(x-1>0\)
Add \(1\) to both sides of the inequality to get: \(x>1\)

Answer: D

Cheers,
Brent


Hi BrentGMATPrepNow,

Thank you for the solution.
Just wanted to point out a small calculation error in the highlighted part. y should be 2.
Could you please amend the solution.

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Hi BrentGMATPrepNow,

Thank you for the solution.
Just wanted to point out a small calculation error in the highlighted part. y should be 2.
Could you please amend the solution.

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Thanks for the heads up!!
I have edited my solution accordingly.

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xy = x+y
xy - y = x
or y = x/(x-1)

Given:: xy>0
==> x*x/(x-1) > 0
==> x^2 / (x-1) > 0

x^2 will always be +ve

so eqn will be +ve when x-1>0
or x>1

=> D
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What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?


A. \(x \leq 1\)

B. \(-1 < x \leq 0\)

C. \(0 < x \leq 1\) 

D. \(x > 1\)

E. All real numbers


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Simplest approach -

Look at option A:

\(X <= -1\) (If X is less than 1 then for the product of X and Y to be greater than zero, Y will have to be negative, which means product of X and Y will not be equal to sum of X and Y, since the product will be positive and sum will be negative)

So A and E are out.

Now look at D, and take X and Y as 2, you have an answer.

Hence D.
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xy = x + y

xy-y = x

\(y=\frac{x}{(x-1)}\)

xy> 0

\(\frac{x^2}{x-1 }>0\)

x^2 is always greater than 0; hence x-1>0 or x>1

D

U make it look so easy. Your reasoning is amazing.Thanks



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What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?


A. \(x \leq 1\)

B. \(-1 < x \leq 0\)

C. \(0 < x \leq 1\) 

D. \(x > 1\)

E. All real numbers


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What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?


A. \(x \leq 1\)

B. \(-1 < x \leq 0\)

C. \(0 < x \leq 1\) 

D. \(x > 1\)

E. All real numbers


PS22680.02

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A small question.
Equation xy = x + y with xy > 0 is satisfied by x = y = 2(if only integers are considered). Knowing that helps since you need not calculate algebraically.
Only option D suffices the requirement.

Will this be fine to go ahead with?
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parkhydel wrote:
What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?


A. \(x \leq 1\)

B. \(-1 < x \leq 0\)

C. \(0 < x \leq 1\) 

D. \(x > 1\)

E. All real numbers


PS22680.02

BrentGMATPrepNow
A small question.
Equation xy = x + y with xy > 0 is satisfied by x = y = 2(if only integers are considered). Knowing that helps since you need not calculate algebraically.
Only option D suffices the requirement.

Will this be fine to go ahead with?


I love that approach - great work!!
The only thing I'll mention is that x = 2 satisfies answer choice D AND answer choice E.
So you'll still need to test another value of x.

Cheers,
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BrentGMATPrepNow wrote:
unraveled wrote:
parkhydel wrote:
What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?


A. \(x \leq 1\)

B. \(-1 < x \leq 0\)

C. \(0 < x \leq 1\) 

D. \(x > 1\)

E. All real numbers


PS22680.02

BrentGMATPrepNow
A small question.
Equation xy = x + y with xy > 0 is satisfied by x = y = 2(if only integers are considered). Knowing that helps since you need not calculate algebraically.
Only option D suffices the requirement.

Will this be fine to go ahead with?


I love that approach - great work!!
The only thing I'll mention is that x = 2 satisfies answer choice D AND answer choice E.
So you'll still need to test another value of x.

Cheers,
Brent

Hey Brent,
Thanks for a quick response. And sorry if I haven't been clear enough to put my thoughts properly.
I doubt if E would ever be our answer, otherwise why the condition xy > 0. Real Numbers include '0' but if either of x and y are '0' the condition xy > 0 is invalidated.
So, if we can't test '0' then E can never be a contender for an answer.

Hope you are getting my point.
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Hey Brent,
Thanks for a quick response. And sorry if I haven't been clear enough to put my thoughts properly.
I doubt if E would ever be our answer, otherwise why the condition xy > 0. Real Numbers include '0' but if either of x and y are '0' the condition xy > 0 is invalidated.
So, if we can't test '0' then E can never be a contender for an answer.

Hope you are getting my point.


Good point; since the x = 0 can never satisfy the condition xy > 0, we can rule out answer choice E.
I was just commenting on the fact that we can't rule out answer choice E simply because x = 2 is one solution.
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unraveled wrote:
Hey Brent,
Thanks for a quick response. And sorry if I haven't been clear enough to put my thoughts properly.
I doubt if E would ever be our answer, otherwise why the condition xy > 0. Real Numbers include '0' but if either of x and y are '0' the condition xy > 0 is invalidated.
So, if we can't test '0' then E can never be a contender for an answer.

Hope you are getting my point.


Good point; since the x = 0 can never satisfy the condition xy > 0, we can rule out answer choice E.
I was just commenting on the fact that we can't rule out answer choice E simply because x = 2 is one solution.

Yeah..
Many thanks.
I liked your solution - its the best - but just to be sure whether what i did was acceptable or not, I asked.
Also, the query was because I had never eliminated any option - like E in this question - upfront while solving the question and then marked the answer among the four left.

Kudos for such a nice explanation.
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(1) xy>0 : numbers could be both +ve or -ve

(2) xy= x+y
y = (x+y)/x

Since the numbers need to satisfy both, substitute y = (x+y)/x into (1).

x * (x+y)/x > 0
x+y >0

Soln. needs to be positive = (D).
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BrentGMATPrepNow wrote:
parkhydel wrote:
What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?

A. \(x \leq 1\)
B. \(-1 < x \leq 0\)
C. \(0 < x \leq 1\) 
D. \(x > 1\)
E. All real numbers

PS22680.02


Given: \(xy = x + y\)
Subtract \(y\) from both sides to get: \(xy - y= x\)
Factor: \(y(x-1)=x\)
Divide both sides by \(x-1\) to get: \(y=\frac{x}{x-1}\)

Important: At this point, there are at least two different approaches we can take

APPROACH #1:
Now that we know \(y=\frac{x}{x-1}\), we can readily see that x cannot equal 1, otherwise, the denominator in y is 0, which would make y undefined.
At this point we can eliminate answer choices A, C and E, since they all allow for x to equal 1.
Since we're down to just two answer choices, let's just test some x-value.

For example, if \(x = 2\), then we get: \(y=\frac{x}{x-1}=\frac{2}{2-1}=2\).
So, \(x = 2\) and \(y = 2\) is a possible solution to the system of equations.
Since it's possible for x to equal 2, we can eliminate answer choice B

By the process of elimination, the correct answer is D.

APPROACH #2:
We've already concluded that: \(y=\frac{x}{x-1}\)

Now take the given inequality, \(xy > 0\), and replace \(y\) with \(\frac{x}{x-1}\) to get: \((x)(\frac{x}{x-1})>0\)
Simplify: \(\frac{x^2}{x-1}>0\)

Since \(x^2\) is always greater or equal to 0, it must be the case that the denominator, \(x-1\), is positive
In other words, it must be the case that: \(x-1>0\)
Add \(1\) to both sides of the inequality to get: \(x>1\)

Answer: D

Cheers,
Brent


Hey Brent, Please let me know if I am wrong here.
My approach is the following:
Corresponding values mean 2 same no.'s with a different unit of measure attached to em. eg 24cm & 24m
in our case, there are no units of measures
so we have 2 same no.'s

basically x = y
xy>0 --> x^2>0
xy = x+y --> x^2 = 2x
A VALUE OF X THAT SATISFIES X^2 =2X is 2 HENCE ans is D.
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What values of x have a corresponding value of y that satisfies both xy > 0 and xy = x + y ?


A. \(x \leq 1\)

B. \(-1 < x \leq 0\)

C. \(0 < x \leq 1\) 

D. \(x > 1\)

E. All real numbers


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xy = x + y

xy-y = x

y=x/(x−1)

xy> 0

x2/x−1>0

x>1

and one brute force checking we can complete by substituing x=y=2
Therefore IMO D
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