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Could you please provide your comments for option B?.

Hi! Had posted a reply addressing this issue on another forum: http://www.beatthegmat.com/experts-please-comment-t69724.html
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A. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
looks good, especially if you look at the non-underlined portion.
Companies that compete one day -> may be partners the next.

B. Although the lines of competition are clearly defined in industries that are more established, they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as competing companies
this one, is a little bit wordy because of the although and industries "that are more established"
second, the meaning is changed, if we take into consideration the non-underlined portion:
competing companies one day may be partners the next.
it does not present the facts in the form compete today-partners tomorrow, but just simply states that companies one day may be partners. the next in this case - is not clear what role it has.

C. The lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, unlike the Internet where they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
meaning and comparison error. Lines are compared with Internet. Moreover, Internet is no the same as internet industry. Moreover, original sentence says whereas smth A, in B smth else. This choice changes the meaning by saying in A is this, whereas in B is smth else.

D. Unlike more established industries, where the lines of competition are clearly defined, they are burred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as companies that compete
comparison error - more established industries are compared with what? :)

E. Unlike more established industries, with clearly defined lines of competition, those of the Internet industry are blurred and indistinct, as competing companies
Comparison error - Established industries compared with "those" of the internet industry.
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I seconds the question asked by vikram, what does they referring to in option a and b and why
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In A or B how do we know that "they" is referring to lines and not industries


OK, let me now replace the pronoun’ they’ with both the contenders

1. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry ( they) the industries are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
A.2. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry (they) the lines are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
Now, one can decide which is logical.
That is why, whenever, one has doubts about the relevance a pronoun, he or she should apply the replacement test and conclude
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In A or B how do we know that "they" is referring to lines and not industries


OK, let me now replace the pronoun’ they’ with both the contenders

1. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry ( they) the industries are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
A.2. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry (they) the lines are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
Now, one can decide which is logical.
That is why, whenever, one has doubts about the relevance a pronoun, he or she should apply the replacement test and conclude



HI Daagh, thanks for prompt response, I know that "they" logically should refer to lines, but my concern is we cant assume that "they " is referring to lines since grammatically it can refer to both lines and the industries,


Just as in many SC questions when we have multiple antecedents of it , we omit that choice , however we know logically "it" should refer to one clear antecedent
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I am afraid that one cannot reject a choice because the antecedence is ambiguous. In so many right choices in the OG, the antecedence has been somewhat like the cat on the wall. However, time and gain GMAC has clarified, that lately they are inclined to give choices that may be grammatically correct, but logically irrelevant, in which logic prevails. This is one such case.

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Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete one day may be partners the next.


A. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
not a fan of A, especially because of the "in the internet industry" that comes right after the introductory modifier. Nevertheless, after POE, only A works.

B. Although the lines of competition are clearly defined in industries that are more established, they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as competing companies
subtle change in meaning:
competing companies one day may be partners - the next here is kind of strange
or companies that compete in one day, may be partners the next day. - ok meaning.
here, the meaning error plays a crucial role.

C. The lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, unlike the Internet where they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
lines compared to the Internet - wrong.

D. Unlike more established industries, where the lines of competition are clearly defined, they are burred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as companies that compete
compares industries with "they" - they who? wrong

E. Unlike more established industries, with clearly defined lines of competition, those of the Internet industry are blurred and indistinct, as competing companies
compares established industries and "those" of the Internet - wrong.
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Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete one day may be partners the next.

This is a comparison between the fledgling Internet industry and other industries that are more established than the Internet industry. Again logically speaking, they can only refer to the lines and not the established Industries. Although and whereas are both contrast markers and I would feel any of them is good enough. However, we can decide this question through grammatical clues.


A. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete ---'One day' is an adverb and requires a verb such as compete to modify. That is what A provides. Correct.

B. Although the lines of competition are clearly defined in industries that are more established, they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as competing companies -- The adverb ‘one day’ cannot modify companies, a noun.

C. The lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, unlike the Internet where they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete – The Internet is a not a physical place. ‘Where’ is not the appropriate relative pronoun to refer to ‘Internet’.

D. Unlike more established industries, where the lines of competition are clearly defined, they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as companies that compete --- Industries are not places that can be referred by ‘where’.

E. Unlike more established industries, with clearly defined lines of competition, those of the Internet industry are blurred and indistinct, as competing companies -- ‘those’ is wrong since the comparison is with Internet Industry and not those of the internet industry. In addition, competing companies has modification problems as in B
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Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete one day may be partners the next.

This is a comparison between the fledgling Internet industry and other industries that are more established than the Internet industry. Again logically speaking, they can only refer to the lines and not the established Industries. Although and whereas are both contrast markers and I would feel any of them is good enough.

However, we can decide this question through grammatical clues.



A. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete ---'One day' is an adverb and requires a verb such as compete to modify. That is what A provides. Correct.

B. Although the lines of competition are clearly defined in industries that are more established, they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as competing companies -- The adverb ‘one day’ cannot modify 'companies', a noun.

C. The lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, unlike the Internet where they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete – The Internet is a not a physical place. ‘Where’ is not the appropriate relative pronoun to refer to ‘Internet’.

D. Unlike more established industries, where the lines of competition are clearly defined, they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as companies that compete --- Industries are not places that can be referred by ‘where’.

E. Unlike more established industries, with clearly defined lines of competition, those of the Internet industry are blurred and indistinct, as competing companies -- ‘those’ is wrong since the comparison is with Internet Industry and not those of the internet industry. In addition, competing companies 'has' modification problems as in B
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we cant assume that "they " is referring to lines since grammatically it can refer to both lines and the industries,

Grammatically also, "they" is referring to "lines of competition" because "they" is the pronoun subject in its clause, while "lines of competition" is the noun-subject in its clause.

So, when there is such pronoun ambiguity, a "pronoun subject" is supposed to grammatically refer to "noun subject" of the previous clause.
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Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and in distinct, as companies that compete one day may be partners the next.


A. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and in distinct, as companies that compete // perfect whereas structure

B. Although the lines of competition are clearly defined in industries that are more established , they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet threats t industry, as competing companies // they is ambiguous --lines /industries

C. The lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, unlike the Internet where they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete //bad comparison

D. Unlike more established industries, where the lines of competition are clearly Defined, they are burred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as companies that compete //bad comparison

E. Unlike more established industries, with clearly defined lines of competition, those of the Internet industry are blurred and indistinct, as competing companies //bad comparison
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Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete [/u]one day may be partners the next.

A. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
B. Although the lines of competition are clearly defined in industries that are more established, they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as competing companies - Incorrect: competing companies and partner are not parallel
C. The lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, unlike the Internet where they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete - Incorrect: Industries are being compared to Internet.
D. Unlike more established industries, where the lines of competition are clearly defined, they are burred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as companies that compete. - Incorrect: Multiple adverbial modifiers make the sentence awkward, use of where is inappropriate., Pronoun ambiguity
E. Unlike more established industries, with clearly defined lines of competition, those of the Internet industry are blurred and indistinct, as competing companies. Incorrect: Pronoun ambiguity

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more concise sentences were in A and D

D falls for comparison.

A is the best of the lot.
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Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete one day may be partners the next.

A. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete

B. Although the lines of competition are clearly defined in industries that are more established, they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as competing companies

C. The lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, unlike the Internet where they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete

D. Unlike more established industries, where the lines of competition are clearly defined, they are burred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as companies that compete

E. Unlike more established industries, with clearly defined lines of competition, those of the Internet industry are blurred and indistinct, as competing companies



can some-one pls explain why A is rite and b is wrong.
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C,D,E are out because of Unlike.

Between A & B.
A uses "as companies that compete one day may be partners the next. " is much better than "as competing companies one day may be partners the next. "
Also "more established industries" is better than "industries that are more established"

A wins


Why do you think that competing companies is inferior to companies that compete.


It is due to the one day following the underlined part:

companies " that compete one day"
competing companies one day may be partners the next

We need companies that compete to be parallel with (companies that are) partners the next day

competing companies one day may be partnering companies

In the second sentence competing is an adjective, but partners is a noun. To maintain structure we need partnering the next.

REMEMBER!!! Parallelism is as much about maintaining a structure as about having a grammatical reason!
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A. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defin ed in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and in distinct, as companies that compete

looks fine --will check further in round 2

B. Although the lines of competition are clearly d efined in industries that are more established , they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet threats t industry, as competing companies
internet threat is a new edition here !!

C. The lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, unlike the Internet where they are blurred and i ndistinct, as companies that compete
Incorrect comparison


D. Unlike more established industries, where the lines of competition are clearly DEFI ned, they are burred and indistinct in the Internet i ndustry, as companies that compete
Pronoun ambiguity

E. Unlike more established industries, with clearly defined lines of competition, those of the Internet industry are blurred and i ndistinct, as competing companies
Incorrect comparison again !!


That makes A the answer !!
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Could some experts advise me on how a sentence starting with "whereas" can be correct?
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Could some experts advise me on how a sentence starting with "whereas" can be correct?


I don't see anything wrong with it; just as usage of Although/Despite/and other words that make everything immediately after it a subordinate clause, so does Whereas
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Could some experts advise me on how a sentence starting with "whereas" can be correct?


The reply from mvictor explains this query - closing this request. Please post again if you have further doubts.
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Hi Sayantan,

I have a question. In the construction "Whereas X, Y", do X and Y need to be parallel. In A, they don't seem to be parallel.

Can you please help?

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