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31 Aug 2015, 23:52
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While some academicians believe that business ethics should be integrated into every business course, others say that students will take ethics seriously only if it would be taught as a separately required course.

A) only if it would be taught as a separately required course
B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course
C) if it is taught only as a course required separately
D) if it was taught only as a separate and required course
E) if it would only be taught as a required course, separately

Can someone explain why the adverb 'separately' in C is wrong? Thanks!

Source: OG Verbal review, Q78.

From the sentence, we can infer that the 'if clause' is a REAL condition. For real condition, when the 'RESULT' clause is in future (will take seriously), the 'if clause' must be in simple present tense. So only B is correct. Had the condition been an UNREAL condition, then 'will take seriously' change to 'would take seriously' and 'it is taught' to 'it were taught'.
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07 Jan 2017, 10:16
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While some academicians believe that business ethics should be integrated into every business course, others say that students will take ethics seriously only if it would be taught as a separately required course.

- In the conditional If X happens, then will Y - the verb of the main clause should be in the future tense and the verb of the if clause should be in the present tense
A) only if it would be taught as a separately required course - usage of would is incorrect as we need present tense
B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course - Correct
C) if it is taught only as a course required separately - usage of adverb separately distorts meaning ; placement of only distorts meaning
D) if it was taught only as a separate and required course - usage of was is incorrect as we need present tense ; placement of only distorts meaning
E) if it would only be taught as a required course, separately - usage of would is incorrect as we need present tense , placement of only distorts meaning

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02 Mar 2017, 08:35
While some academicians believe that business ethics should be integrated into every business course, others say that students will take ethics seriously only if it would be taught as a separately required course.

Issue: Verb form

Analysis:
1. The non-underlined part of the sentence presents the scenario as definite condition with the use of "will" which should be complemented by simple form form (rather than modal "would")
2. In the underlined part, "only" should be places before "if" for clear meaning.

A) only if it would be taught as a separately required course
- Use of modal "would" is incorrect

B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course

C) if it is taught only as a course required separately
- Misplaced "only" - changes the meaning

D) if it was taught only as a separate and required course
- Incorrect verb tense with "was"
- Misplaced "only" - changes the meaning

E) if it would only be taught as a required course, separately
- Use of modal "would" is incorrect (Incorrect verb tense)
- Misplaced "only" - changes the meaning

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16 Mar 2017, 17:29
Can someone please explain why there is no "and" between "separate" and "required"? It is not clear to me grammatically?

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13 Jun 2017, 06:30
Can someone please explain why there is no "and" between "separate" and "required"? It is not clear to me grammatically?

egmat has provided an example for similar query in the thread above.
IMO this use is permitted with adjectives. In MGMAT SC , chapter 13 question # 27 "....its brasher , more frenetic rival."
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30 Jul 2017, 19:53
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asdert wrote:
While some academicians believe that business ethics should be integrated into every business course, others say that students will take ethics seriously only if it would be taught as a separately required course.

A) only if it would be taught as a separately required course
B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course
C) if it is taught only as a course required separately
D) if it was taught only as a separate and required course
E) if it would only be taught as a required course, separately

Can someone explain why the adverb 'separately' in C is wrong? Thanks!

Source: OG Verbal review, Q78.

A is wrong as use of would is wrong
B is correct
C Use of only as a modifier is incorrect
D use of was and only incorrect
E again use of only is incorrect and the meaning is changed
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21 Jan 2018, 04:00
Hello daagh
In this question, there are two items in a list used without comma. It seems awkward? Please can you help me understand.
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21 Jan 2018, 05:40
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Separate and required are called coordinate adjectives and do not require a conjunction between them. A comma will suffice. B the correct grammatical structure.

http://www.write.com/writing-guides/gen ... djectives/

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22 May 2018, 01:41
Hi
This was a very informative post.
I want to add one thing- Cumulative adjectives are generally not separated by comma.

"Using commas with multiple adjectives is another challenge; fortunately, the rules are straightforward.
1. Can you put the word and between the adjectives and have the sentence still make sense?2. Can you reverse the order of the adjectives and have the sentence still make sense?
If you can do those two things, then use a comma between the adjectives because each adjective is describing the noun. These are called coordinate adjectives.
Aardvark is a hairy and small animal.
Aardvark is a small and hairy animal.Aardvark is a small, hairy animal.
You can use and between the adjectives and reverse the order in the examples above, so you use a comma.

"When your adjectives don't meet the above criteria--when you can't reverse the order or put and between them and have them still make sense--they are called cumulative adjectives. They are adjectives that build on each other, and you don't put a comma between them. For example, in the following sentence, you can't change the order of the adjectives four, green, and Easter:
Squiggly found four green Easter eggs.
Squiggly found green four Easter eggs. (yuck!)
Squiggly found Easter green four eggs. (yuck!)Squiggly found green Easter four eggs. (yuck!)
Remember, you can test whether you're dealing with cumulative or coordinate adjectives by checking if it's possible to switch them around."

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To whom so ever it may concern; On this topic, I have a small note to add

Coordinate adjectives are adjectives that modify a single noun and are not joined by any conjunctions. For example, we say an amazing, mammoth procession. The adjectives ‘amazing and mammoth’ both refer to the procession and are not joined the usual ‘and’. A comma is used to separate both the adjectives, In effect it means an amazing and mammoth procession.

You can use coordinate adjectives only when the adjectives can individually modify the same noun as in the above case. More importantly even if you reverse the order of the adjectives, it should mean the same thing. Whether it is an amazing mammoth procession or a mammoth amazing procession, it means the same.

On the contrary try to reverse the order of the adjectives in the following cases.

I am longing for a hot, lemon tea; I am longing for a lemon, hot tea.

The previous, stout woman cooking in the kitchen is my wife; the stout, previous woman cooking in the kitchen is my wife

You can see the absurdity of reversing the order of the adjectives in the above cases. These are called cumulative adjectives.

Separate, required are coordinate adjectives modifying 'course'. They are legitimate

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26 May 2018, 06:32
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The difference between (B) and (C) is the placement of 'only', which changes the meaning. Let's start with (B).

B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course

The meaning of 'ethics will only be taught if...' is that the other alternative would be to not teach ethics. Notice the placement of 'only' is right before 'taught.'

C) if it is taught only as a course required separately

Here the debate is no longer whether ethics will be taught, but how it will be taught. Essentially (C) is saying that ethics will not be taught as a combined course or an integrated course, or any course for that matter. It will taught only as a separate course. This changes the original meaning of the sentence.

Hope that helps!

Dear experts,
although it is marked as sub-600 question, i struggle with this one.
It is hard for me to fingure out what "only" modifies.
Does it modify "take seriously"? or "if it is taught"? or "as a sperate,required separately" ?

Anyone help?

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26 May 2018, 07:56
HI zoezhuyan
Let me try to explain.

B)only if it is taught as a separate, required course- in this only refers the course, the separate/exclusive course.

C)if it is taught only as a course required separately- in this only modifies the method of teaching, as if the course is already there.

hence B is right.

zoezhuyan wrote:
ChrisLele wrote:
The difference between (B) and (C) is the placement of 'only', which changes the meaning. Let's start with (B).

B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course

The meaning of 'ethics will only be taught if...' is that the other alternative would be to not teach ethics. Notice the placement of 'only' is right before 'taught.'

C) if it is taught only as a course required separately

Here the debate is no longer whether ethics will be taught, but how it will be taught. Essentially (C) is saying that ethics will not be taught as a combined course or an integrated course, or any course for that matter. It will taught only as a separate course. This changes the original meaning of the sentence.

Hope that helps!

Dear experts,
although it is marked as sub-600 question, i struggle with this one.
It is hard for me to fingure out what "only" modifies.
Does it modify "take seriously"? or "if it is taught"? or "as a sperate,required separately" ?

Anyone help?

Have a lovely day

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27 May 2018, 00:46
ChrisLele wrote:
The difference between (B) and (C) is the placement of 'only', which changes the meaning. Let's start with (B).

B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course

The meaning of 'ethics will only be taught if...' is that the other alternative would be to not teach ethics. Notice the placement of 'only' is right before 'taught.'

C) if it is taught only as a course required separately

Here the debate is no longer whether ethics will be taught, but how it will be taught. Essentially (C) is saying that ethics will not be taught as a combined course or an integrated course, or any course for that matter. It will taught only as a separate course. This changes the original meaning of the sentence.

Hope that helps!

Dear experts,
I picked up C because, I thought:
business ethics are integrated into every business course, in another words, business ethics are not seprate courses, they are combined with every courses.
in the second part of the sentence, others suggest that business ethics be taught as a seperate, required courses.

the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and seprated courses.

I guess i must miss something.

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27 May 2018, 00:51
zoezhuyan,

zoezhuyan wrote:
ChrisLele wrote:
The difference between (B) and (C) is the placement of 'only', which changes the meaning. Let's start with (B).

B) only if it is taught as a separate, required course

The meaning of 'ethics will only be taught if...' is that the other alternative would be to not teach ethics. Notice the placement of 'only' is right before 'taught.'

C) if it is taught only as a course required separately

Here the debate is no longer whether ethics will be taught, but how it will be taught. Essentially (C) is saying that ethics will not be taught as a combined course or an integrated course, or any course for that matter. It will taught only as a separate course. This changes the original meaning of the sentence.

Hope that helps!

Dear experts,
I picked up C because, I thought:
business ethics are integrated into every business course, in another words, business ethics are not seprate courses, they are combined with every courses.
in the second part of the sentence, others suggest that business ethics be taught as a seperate, required courses.

the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and seprated courses.

I guess i must miss something.

Have a nice day
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27 May 2018, 01:07
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zoezhuyan,

Dear experts,
I picked up C because, I thought:
business ethics are integrated into every business course, in another words, business ethics are not seprate courses, they are combined with every courses.
in the second part of the sentence, others suggest that business ethics be taught as a seperate, required courses.

the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and seprated courses.

I guess i must miss something.

Have a nice day
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[/quote]

Sorry i did not express clear,
the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and separated courses.
So "only" should modify the courses, -- only as a course separated, required course,

C looks good.

But C is incorrect,

I am confused.

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27 May 2018, 01:19
Hii
As per my interpretation, at present the business course is not in their course structure.
But As per C, it seems that the Business is also a subject in the course structure, but the requirement is to teach it separately.
this seems the flaw here

B)only if it is taught as a separate, required course- in this only refers the course, the separate/exclusive course.

C)if it is taught only as a course required separately- in this only modifies the method of teaching, as if the course is already there.

zoezhuyan wrote:
gmatbusters wrote:
zoezhuyan,

Dear experts,
I picked up C because, I thought:
business ethics are integrated into every business course, in another words, business ethics are not seprate courses, they are combined with every courses.
in the second part of the sentence, others suggest that business ethics be taught as a seperate, required courses.

the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and seprated courses.

I guess i must miss something.

Have a nice day
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Sorry i did not express clear,
the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and separated courses.
So "only" should modify the courses, -- only as a course separated, required course,

C looks good.

But C is incorrect,

I am confused.

Have a nice day
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27 May 2018, 22:49
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Hii
As per my interpretation, at present the business course is not in their course structure.
But As per C, it seems that the Business is also a subject in the course structure, but the requirement is to teach it separately.
this seems the flaw here

B)only if it is taught as a separate, required course- in this only refers the course, the separate/exclusive course.

C)if it is taught only as a course required separately- in this only modifies the method of teaching, as if the course is already there.

zoezhuyan wrote:
gmatbusters wrote:
zoezhuyan,

Dear experts,
I picked up C because, I thought:
business ethics are integrated into every business course, in another words, business ethics are not seprate courses, they are combined with every courses.
in the second part of the sentence, others suggest that business ethics be taught as a seperate, required courses.

the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and seprated courses.

I guess i must miss something.

Have a nice day
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Sorry i did not express clear,
the focus of this sentence is debate between integrated courses and separated courses.
So "only" should modify the courses, -- only as a course separated, required course,

C looks good.

But C is incorrect,

I am confused.

Have a nice day
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mikemcgarry, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja, MagooshExpert Carolyn,
sayantanc2
VeritasPrepKarishma

Seems i am still struggling with this one.
I am not sure where i missed.

have a lovely day
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30 Nov 2018, 01:27
Key rule:

X will happen, if y happens

Then..., if construction (reverse order, mandatory use of simple present applies)
simple present , if simple present or
simple present, if simple present
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20 Nov 2019, 06:22
I understand why the ans is B. But, will you please explain what's the difference between "Separately required course" and "separate, required course"?

The two expressions sounds similar to me.

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