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11 Jan 2014, 08:37
In the this parallel question. the list of three verbs should all be in the present tense. You should not look at "calling" isolated, but all altogether with "are calling", which is present continuous - still a verb in the present tense. You can see the three splits below:

While some
1. propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change
people's attitudes toward pirating, others

2. suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others

3. are calling
for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

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how is calling parallel with the suggest? I am a little lost here? What am I missing?

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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling : In this complex sentence , the main clause is missing; Hence this is a fragment

(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call : same as A

(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call : reduction of software is less dynamic than reducing software prices; more importantly for decreasing is never acceptable for GMAT

(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling: Two problems 1. the reduction of and 2. suggest and by calling is no good parallelism

(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling : Good enough in the face of other faulty ones. Of course are 'are calling' doesn't look so elegantly parallel with' suggest'.
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11 Jan 2014, 16:36
"Suggesting" isn't right... "suggest doing something" looks good.. A and B are ELIMINATED..

attempting to change people's attitudes
Vs.
reducing software prices
Vs.
Calling for the prosecution

I see parallelism above, and all 3 phrases mention a method/task... E sounds correct..
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23 Jul 2014, 12:23
In the below OG10 question, even though I was able to identify the right answer, I had a trouble placing why the option D is incorrect? is there any preference for using verb-ing - 'reducing' - over noun - 'reduction' - OR is there a problem with 'by calling'? when exactly do we use phrases such as 'by calling'?

While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people’s attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

Here is my analysis:

Rejected option A, and B due to parallelism errors, as suggest is parallel to propose. Rejected option C as 'for decreasing' does not indicate intention, and 'to decrease' is a better choice as per the context. So, finally, I am left with D & E (I in my practice went for option E as it sounded better, and was less wordy than option D, but not 100% sure)

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The elimination for D is rooted in parallelism. The parallel structure you need to setup is: some propose...others suggest..., and still others are. In choice D you have the following: some propose...others suggest..., and still others by calling. You don't have a parallel verb setup with "others by calling" so you don't have a parallel setup and you can eliminate D. [Yes the lack of a verb here means this isn't a complete sentence]

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23 Jul 2014, 21:04
In the below OG10 question, even though I was able to identify the right answer, I had a trouble placing why the option D is incorrect? is there any preference for using verb-ing - 'reducing' - over noun - 'reduction' - OR is there a problem with 'by calling'? when exactly do we use phrases such as 'by calling'?

While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people’s attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

Here is my analysis:

Rejected option A, and B due to parallelism errors, as suggest is parallel to propose. Rejected option C as 'for decreasing' does not indicate intention, and 'to decrease' is a better choice as per the context. So, finally, I am left with D & E (I in my practice went for option E as it sounded better, and was less wordy than option D, but not 100% sure)

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This is how i approached the problem.
A and B are out due to Parallelism Error in the word suggest.
Option C is wrong for many reasons namely the word "for decreasing" does not serve the intended purpose here, ",and still others call" does not complete the sentence for the continuation of "for the prosecution"
I Felt Option D was wrong because it fails in parallelism where Attempting, reducing and calling are parallel which is clearly stated in Option E.

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Rejected option A, and B due to parallelism errors, as suggest is parallel to propose.

Actually A and B have a big grammar issue. In English, all sentences must have at least one independent clause.

A just has a dependent clause: While some....

Think about it this way. Following is clearly an incorrect sentence:

While some propose to combat corruption by punishment, by change in law and by protests.

B uses and to to connect a dependent clause (While some..) and an independent clause (still others call...). In these situations, and (a coordinating conjunction) can only connect two independent clauses.

Again, think about it this way. Following is clearly an incorrect sentence:

While some propose to combat corruption by punishment, and others want change in law.

The usage of while makes the clause dependent and so, we cannot connect this dependent to an independent clause (others want change in law) using coordinating conjunction and. One way to fix this, would be to remove while (a subordinating conjunction) to convert the first clause also into an independent clause:

Some propose to combat corruption by punishment, and others want change in law.

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In the below OG10 question, even though I was able to identify the right answer, I had a trouble placing why the option D is incorrect? is there any preference for using verb-ing - 'reducing' - over noun - 'reduction' - OR is there a problem with 'by calling'? when exactly do we use phrases such as 'by calling'?

While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people’s attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

Here is my analysis:

Rejected option A, and B due to parallelism errors, as suggest is parallel to propose. Rejected option C as 'for decreasing' does not indicate intention, and 'to decrease' is a better choice as per the context. So, finally, I am left with D & E (I in my practice went for option E as it sounded better, and was less wordy than option D, but not 100% sure)

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Thank you for posting your query here.

While we can say that option D looks wordier in comparison to option E. However, we have a more concrete error here to reject option D. Let us look at the sentence structure of Option D and Option E to find this error:

OPTION D

• While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people’s attitudes toward pirating, (Clause I)
others suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, (Clause II)
• and still others by calling for the prosecution of those (Clause III)
o who copy software illegally. (Clause IV)

Now, as we can see there is no verb for the subject “others” in the third clause.

OPTION E

• While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people’s attitudes toward pirating, (Clause I)
others suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, (Clause II)
• and still others are calling for the prosecution of those (Clause III)
o who copy software illegally. (Clause IV)

As shown above, this error has been rectified in Option E where the subject “others” has the verb “are calling”.

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In the below OG10 question, even though I was able to identify the right answer, I had a trouble placing why the option D is incorrect? is there any preference for using verb-ing - 'reducing' - over noun - 'reduction' - OR is there a problem with 'by calling'? when exactly do we use phrases such as 'by calling'?

While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people’s attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

Here is my analysis:

Rejected option A, and B due to parallelism errors, as suggest is parallel to propose. Rejected option C as 'for decreasing' does not indicate intention, and 'to decrease' is a better choice as per the context. So, finally, I am left with D & E (I in my practice went for option E as it sounded better, and was less wordy than option D, but not 100% sure)

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Thank you for posting your query here.

While we can say that option D looks wordier in comparison to option E. However, we have a more concrete error here to reject option D. Let us look at the sentence structure of Option D and Option E to find this error:

OPTION D

• While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people’s attitudes toward pirating, (Clause I)
others suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, (Clause II)
• and still others by calling for the prosecution of those (Clause III)
o who copy software illegally. (Clause IV)

Now, as we can see there is no verb for the subject “others” in the third clause.

OPTION E

• While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people’s attitudes toward pirating, (Clause I)
others suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, (Clause II)
• and still others are calling for the prosecution of those (Clause III)
o who copy software illegally. (Clause IV)

As shown above, this error has been rectified in Option E where the subject “others” has the verb “are calling”.

Hope this helps!
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Hi Deepak,
Can you please enlighten me on how to decide if something is not a verb : e.g.
and still others by calling for the prosecution of those (Clause III)

'by calling' to me it seemed like a verb ...

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Hi Deepak,
Can you please enlighten me on how to decide if something is not a verb : e.g.
and still others by calling for the prosecution of those (Clause III)

'by calling' to me it seemed like a verb ...

Hi ani781,

When a verb is used in its "ing" form, it is always preceded by a helping verb such as is, am, are, was, were because the verb-ing form alone cannot act as a verb in a sentence. If there is a verb-ing form alone used in the sentence, it can be a modifier or a noun. To learn more about the functions of verb-ing forms please refer to the following article:

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30 Aug 2015, 06:31
mbaMission wrote:
While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

It has to be option E.

A) other is the subject of the clause starting after comma. But there is no verb that refers to this subject. Fragment error.
B) same reason as of option A. Fragment error.
D) the clause after and has subject that is other, but again there is no verb that refers to this subject. Fragment error.

Now between C and E one way of rejecting is by understanding whether 'decrease the incentive for pirating' is the purpose/intention of someone. Yes, they have given there suggestion for the purpose - decrease the incentive for pirating. When something is done with purpose then 'to verb' is prefer to 'for verb-ing'.
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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling : In this complex sentence , the main clause is missing; Hence this is a fragment

(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call : same as A

(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call : reduction of software is less dynamic than reducing software prices; more importantly for decreasing is never acceptable for GMAT

(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling: Two problems 1. the reduction of and 2. suggest and by calling is no good parallelism

(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling : Good enough in the face of other faulty ones. Of course are 'are calling' doesn't look so elegantly parallel with' suggest'.

Hi Daagh,

Although I understand why choice E is the correct answer, while initially attempting this question I went for choice A as I thought ellipsis was in play in the sense that the verb "propose to combat.." was implicitly applied to all parts of the list and therefore the second part was an independent clause and not a fragment. Can you please explain why that cannot be the case here?

Just to clarify, to me choice A read - "While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others [propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs] by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others [propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs ] by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally."

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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling : In this complex sentence , the main clause is missing; Hence this is a fragment

(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call : same as A

(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call : reduction of software is less dynamic than reducing software prices; more importantly for decreasing is never acceptable for GMAT

(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling: Two problems 1. the reduction of and 2. suggest and by calling is no good parallelism

(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling : Good enough in the face of other faulty ones. Of course are 'are calling' doesn't look so elegantly parallel with' suggest'.

Hi Daagh,

Although I understand why choice E is the correct answer, while initially attempting this question I went for choice A as I thought ellipsis was in play in the sense that the verb "propose to combat.." was implicitly applied to all parts of the list and therefore the second part was an independent clause and not a fragment. Can you please explain why that cannot be the case here?

Just to clarify, to me choice A read - "While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others [propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs] by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others [propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs ] by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally."

Thanks for the help!

Your sentence is grammatically correct, but there is a problem with what the sentence means: How do you combat illegal copying? by suggesting to reduce or by reducing?.... by reducing of course.
.....again in the last part: how would you combat illegal copying? by calling for prosecution or by prosecuting?... by prosecuting of course.

In option A (which you have elaborated in your sentence), by attempting, by suggesting and by calling are parallel whereas the parallel elements should be by attempting, by reducing and by prosecuting.

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Sentence starts with a dependant clause - while "...", so it needs an Independent clause after the comma.
Eliminate A,B

what is the purpose of reduction ? We need 'to decrease' rather than ' for decreasing' to indicate the purpose.

Also, for parallelism, we need a verb after the 'and'

For all these reasons, choice E is by far the best sentence.

While some propose X, others suggest Y, and still others Z

Z- 'are calling' is the verb.

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Good question. Got it wrong

Check #1 - While some propose || to "others suggest"

Check #2 is the tricky part - by attempting || to "reducing"

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Dear experts,
I am unable to accept that following three parts are parallel in option E...
While some propose X, others suggest Y, and still others are calling for Z..

simple present, simple present and present continuous?

How can it be parallel? the third part has different tense!
Can anyone help me to understand this?

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mbaMission wrote:
While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

i missed this question. hard one

i think

other by suggesting , by calling are wrong. there is no this kind of ellipsis. a,b and d are gone
i do not know why c is wrong. for decreasing can be correct because it can modify the reduction.

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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change
people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the
incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

Well.. this is how i saw it ..
while some propose to combat .. others suggest reducing

Note : after propose <-->to combat(which is an infinitive verb) so after suggest <-->reducing (which is participle -- closest to a verb)
C and D have reduction after suggest which is a noun

I dont know if this is right .. but this is how i approached.
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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change
people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the
incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

Why not C???

Some propose _______, some suggest _________, and some call _______________

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