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Could you help me understand why is Option E preferred to Option C.



Hello SafalSharma,

I will be glad to help you with this one. :-)

Let's take a look at Choice C:

suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call: Incorrect

i. This choice is incorrect for the usage of for decreasing. Per the context of the sentence, the purpose of reducing software prices is to decrease the incentive for pirating. Hence, the correct phrase is to decrease to show the purpose/intent.


Let's look at Choice E now:

suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling: Correct

This choice is correct for maintaining parallelism among the structures - some propose, others suggest, and others are calling. I do agree that the last verb can very well be written in simple present tense. However, this is the only grammatically as well as logically correct answer choice.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Brilliant answer Blulagoon, So in a general sense can we say that in terms of error precedence, meaning > idiomatic error > style error? Because a lot of times I land at at an impasse where there are 2 options, one having an idiomatic error and another having a style error. Moreover, i would like to know which one should we prefer amongst options A and B, if option A corrects a verb tense error (specifically, pertaining to the 'if...then...' rules) but is idiomatically incorrect (is that even possible?) and B corrects the idiomatic error but distorts the mood of the sentence. This doubt stems from the confusion that whether 'if...then...' rules are a part of style or grammar?
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Brilliant answer Blulagoon, So in a general sense can we say that in terms of error precedence, meaning > idiomatic error > style error? Because a lot of times I land at at an impasse where there are 2 options, one having an idiomatic error and another having a style error. Moreover, i would like to know which one should we prefer amongst options A and B, if option A corrects a verb tense error (specifically, pertaining to the 'if...then...' rules) but is idiomatically incorrect (is that even possible?) and B corrects the idiomatic error but distorts the mood of the sentence. This doubt stems from the confusion that whether 'if...then...' rules are a part of style or grammar?


in general I think the best way is to look for the meaning of the sentence. GMAT has evolved and majority of the questions are meaning based. Now meaning can be distorted commonly by modifiers, or incorrect comparison. So look out for those type of errors. after meaning look for grammar error. that's the source of other type of errors.In general over the years idiom errors are becoming less and less popular. I am not sure that you will have two options one with the correct tense and one with the correct idiom. generally a sentence will have multiple errors and you just have to pick the one that you can notice quickly and move on.
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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling



1. Between C and E, We need to use "To" to express intention. Is there any other differences that might make the option C
wrong?
2. What is the differences between "suggest the reduction of" and "suggest reducing software prices"?

3. "Some propose..., other suggest, and other are calling" Is it absolutely alright in terms of parallelism?
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nahid78 wrote:

Thank you. Please explain this one too...

What is the differences between "suggest the reduction of" and "suggest reducing software prices"?


The suggestion is for taking up an action - a gerund is closer to a verb (i.e. an action) than a concrete noun is. Hence "suggest reducing prices " should be preferable to "suggest the reduction".



So here we are applying V-A-N diagram; Verb is preferable to adjective, and adjective is preferable to Noun. As (V+ing) form is closer to verb, it is also preferable to Adjective and noun.
I think now it is clear to me. Thank you :)
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does "others are calling " in E seem bit awkward as compared to the rest of the sentence?
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does "others are calling " in E seem bit awkward as compared to the rest of the sentence?



Simple present would probably be better, but using present continuous is grammatically not wrong, and meaning is also alright.
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suggest can be used only in two forms: "suggest that..." OR suggest+gerund. So, A and E remains

E more parallel


No, this is not correct. The verb "suggest" CAN take a noun as object.

My professor suggested the topic... correct.

(Moreover suggest can also take an infinitive: I suggest you not to leave)
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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

GMATNinjaTwo Could you help to explain "the reduction of" vs "reducing" & "call" vs "are calling" in answers (C) and (E)?
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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

GMATNinjaTwo Could you help to explain "the reduction of" vs "reducing" & "call" vs "are calling" in answers (C) and (E)?


"Reducing" and "Reduction":
For depicting a sense of taking some action, gerund suits better (though a concrete noun is gramatically not incorrect). Moroever "the" in option C is incorrect. The article should be "a".

"Call" and "are calling":
Both are gramatically alright in my opinion.
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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling

(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call

(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call

(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling

(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling
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Could you help me understand why is Option E preferred to Option C.
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I agree with Eden. Certainly this is not a topic that will stand good to common reasoning, especially the way non-natives like me have been taught to look at parallelism. The three verbs in tandem are the present tense- propose, suggest and are calling-, as found in E, although the third verb is a bit of a baffle in that it is a present progressive. But considering that the other nearest choice C, which maintains almost equal parallelism among all the three verbs under question, has serious idiomatic flaws such as ‘for decreasing’, we have to grudgingly reconcile to Choice E.
Choice A is a fragment; B and D fault on parallelism.

This is as far as I could go on this. Incidentally, was this choice ever carried over from OG 10 to OG 11 and then on to OG 12? I doubt.



As it is given in option C,if for decresing is wrong than for pirating should also be wrong.But that is not case.Parallel stucture is not maintained in C.

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SafalSharma wrote:
Could you help me understand why is Option E preferred to Option C.



Hello SafalSharma,

I will be glad to help you with this one. :-)

Let's take a look at Choice C:

suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call: Incorrect

i. This choice is incorrect for the usage of for decreasing. Per the context of the sentence, the purpose of reducing software prices is to decrease the incentive for pirating. Hence, the correct phrase is to decrease to show the purpose/intent.


Let's look at Choice E now:

suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling: Correct

This choice is correct for maintaining parallelism among the structures - some propose, others suggest, and others are calling. I do agree that the last verb can very well be written in simple present tense. However, this is the only grammatically as well as logically correct answer choice.


Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
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Could you please tell us why for decresing is wrong while for pirating is correct.

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This is not a genuine GMATPrep question.

This is a simulated version of an original OG 10 topic as given below.


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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.


(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling

(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call

(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call

(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling

(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

A)by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling

B)by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call

C)suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call

D)suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling

E)suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

The parallel verbs are some PROPOSE (to combat), SUGGEST (reducing), and ARE CALLING (for X). All three verbs are in the present tense (although the third is in the present progressive, it's still considered present). If I could wave a wand, I would choose to make the third verb CALL, not ARE CALLING, but I don't have that option while retaining correct grammar in the rest of the sentence (e.g., in choice C, the expression "for decreasing" is definitely incorrect -- you must express the intended result of "reducing software prices" with an INFINITIVE such as "to decrease").


Now you can see the same logic to the given question and see whether it is ok to take E as the most parallel in the given context

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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.


(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling

(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call

(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call

(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling

(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

While some propose, others suggest is the correct usage for maintaining parallelism. A and B are out.
still others by calling is wrong here. D is out.
For decreasing is unidiomatic here. C is out.
E is the correct answer.

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I have seen many examples in which we ignore the option on the basis of GMAT preference.
As we did here. We selected E over C, giving an explanation that C contains idiom error and E is parallel in construction "noun+verb". However, E contains parallelism between present simple and present progressive tense, an example of parallelism which seem a little awkward. Probably, in other SC question, we may cross off option containing such sentence construction immediately.
I have face many SC problems in which error in one option dominates the error in other option. I just have to decide which error is acceptable according to the context of the statement.

daagh wrote:
I agree with Eden. Certainly this is not a topic that will stand good to common reasoning, especially the way non-natives like me have been taught to look at parallelism. The three verbs in tandem are the present tense- propose, suggest and are calling-, as found in E, although the third verb is a bit of a baffle in that it is a present progressive. But considering that the other nearest choice C, which maintains almost equal parallelism among all the three verbs under question, has serious idiomatic flaws such as ‘for decreasing’, we have to grudgingly reconcile to Choice E.
Choice A is a fragment; B and D fault on parallelism.

This is as far as I could go on this. Incidentally, was this choice ever carried over from OG 10 to OG 11 and then on to OG 12? I doubt.
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Hi Payal,

I fell that choice E has a mistake. Is it correct to say " suggest reducing........" (verb + gerund) ?; I fell that either "suggest to reduce........." or "suggest the reduction......." is better. May you explain why "suggest reducing....." is ok?
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While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.


(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling

(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call

(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call

(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling

(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling


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How i thought A is correct usage.

While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others(propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others(propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs) by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.

Why i thought option E is wrong.

While some propose….by attempting, others suggest ----(NO “by”), and others “are calling”(No “by” and “are calling” seems to indicate that some are at present(right now continuous action) calling for the prosecution).

GMATNinja , daagh, GMATNinja1, KyleWiddison please someone help me.
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egmat please could you let me know if my POE is correct?

While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.


(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
Parallelism error - Here the verbs some propose, others by suggesting, and still others by calling - are not parallel

(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
Parallelism error - as with (A)
Structure - The reduction of seems a bit off. Please could you correct me?

(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
Infinitive needed - As per the context we know that the prices are being decreased for the purpose of reducing the incentives for pirating. Thus we need "to+verb"
The parallelism error is rectified

(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
Parallelism error - as with (A)
Structure error - as with (B)

(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling
Parallelism error - rectified
to +verb - rectified
structure - rectified - suggest reducing software prices > suggest the reduction of software prices
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