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is this part underlined in the Q or not?
public health and safety there

Why is B wrong?
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is this part underlined in the Q or not?
public health and safety there

Why is B wrong?


Hi paidlukkha, my mistake, I've edited the question.

Regarding B, the structure "the construction (preposition) + NOUN + VERBing" is WRONG, unless the preposition refers directly to the NOUN
you can refer explanation of Ron here :https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/forums/post26678.html#p26678
Additional: in this case you can think "expecting...." is a V-ing modifier to "California", but I think the preposition refers to the action, not the NOUN

Another point, if "With California expecting..." is the short of "With California which expects....", this is impossible as California cannot expect anything itself, it's not human being to expect anything.

Besides, "the administration's concern has grown increasingly", I think this subject not make sense, a concern cannot increase about something, the subject must be "The administration", not the concern.



B. With California expecting to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts for as much as 30 days, the administration's concern has grown increasingly about
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With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about public health and safety there.


A. With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about

B. With California expecting to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts for as much as 30 days, the administration's concern has grown increasingly about

C. As California is expected to be seeing severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as much as 30 days this summer, the administration's concern is increasing for

D. Insofar as California is expected to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts on as many as 30 days, the administration has increasing concern about

E. Insofar as California expects to see severe electricity shortfalls and the possibility of blackouts for as much as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about


Experts, please help me explain:
- Why not D? What wrong with it?
- in A: "has grown increasingly concerned about" is it redundancy? I hear it a little strange
- The generally using of "With"

Thank you so much!


Since you have queries on the OA and D, I will touch upon them only..
D. D. Insofar as California is expected to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts on as many as 30 days, the administration has increasing concern about
In so far means ' to the extent that' and it does not fit in ..
if you look at the original Q it talks of both severe electricity shortfallsand perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, D removes the summer from 30 days and it seems now these 30 days are in complete year..

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With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about..
there is no redunancy in grown increasingly..
here GROWN means BECOME..
so it is-- "the administration has grown become increasingly concerned about.. thats OK
yes I had read people talking preposition + noun + participle to be considered wrongh on GMAT.. But now it seems they are flexible on it..


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The strange questions. It looks like the administration has grown with California. One of those rare cases, when WITH is considered accepted.
IMO, insofar works here, as it can mean "because"; the problem with D & E though it that insofar + as doesn't make any sense.
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With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about public health and safety there.


A. With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about

B. With California expecting to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts for as much as 30 days, the administration's concern has grown increasingly about

C. As California is expected to be seeing severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as much as 30 days this summer, the administration's concern is increasing for

D. Insofar as California is expected to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts on as many as 30 days, the administration has increasing concern about

E. Insofar as California expects to see severe electricity shortfalls and the possibility of blackouts for as much as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about


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sukanyar You can refer this question to learn more about your doubt w.r.t "prep + noun + verb-ing"

As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing
the bee to sustain a fatal injury.

A. As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing
B. As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes
C. The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes
D. The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing
E. The honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes
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A question of style and idiom

A. With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about --- By about the best.

B. with California expecting to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer and there will possibly be blackouts for as much as 30 days, the administration's concern has grown increasingly about --- as much as – a wrong idiom.

C. As California is expected to be seeing severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as much as 30 days this summer, the administration's concern is increasing for ----- as much as – a wrong idiom.

D. Insofar as California is expected to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts as many as 30 days, the administration has increasing concern about – In so far as means in as much as ; The problem is in blackouts as 30 days – which leads to weird comparison .

E. Insofar as California expects to see severe electricity shortfalls and the possibility of blackouts for 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about --- ‘blackouts for’ is not idiomatic; it should be ‘blackouts


Generally, the sentence construction is rather poor.


I'd say that the major mistake for E is "insofar as". This means "to the extent that", which does not make sense.
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With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about public health and safety there

A. With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about

B. With California expecting to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts for as much as 30 days, the administration's concern has grown increasingly about

C. As California is expected to be seeing severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as much as 30 days this summer, the administration's concern is increasing for

D. Insofar as California is expected to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts as many as 30 days, the administration has increasing concern about

E. Insofar as California expects to see severe electricity shortfalls and the possibility of blackouts for 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about
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A question of style and idiom

A. With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about --- By about the best.

B. with California expecting to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer and there will possibly be blackouts for as much as 30 days, the administration's concern has grown increasingly about --- as much as – a wrong idiom.

C. As California is expected to be seeing severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as much as 30 days this summer, the administration's concern is increasing for ----- as much as – a wrong idiom.

D. Insofar as California is expected to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts as many as 30 days, the administration has increasing concern about – In so far as means in as much as ; The problem is in blackouts as 30 days – which leads to weird comparison .

E. Insofar as California expects to see severe electricity shortfalls and the possibility of blackouts for 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about --- ‘blackouts for’ is not idiomatic; it should be ‘blackouts


Generally, the sentence construction is rather poor.

Option D has been wrongly typed. Correct option is:

D. Insofar as California is expected to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts on as many as 30 days, the administration has increasing concern about

Can you please point the error now?
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daagh wrote:
A question of style and idiom

A. With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about --- By about the best.

B. with California expecting to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer and there will possibly be blackouts for as much as 30 days, the administration's concern has grown increasingly about --- as much as – a wrong idiom.

C. As California is expected to be seeing severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as much as 30 days this summer, the administration's concern is increasing for ----- as much as – a wrong idiom.

D. Insofar as California is expected to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts as many as 30 days, the administration has increasing concern about – In so far as means in as much as ; The problem is in blackouts as 30 days – which leads to weird comparison .

E. Insofar as California expects to see severe electricity shortfalls and the possibility of blackouts for 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about --- ‘blackouts for’ is not idiomatic; it should be ‘blackouts


Generally, the sentence construction is rather poor.

Option D has been wrongly typed. Correct option is:

D. Insofar as California is expected to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts on as many as 30 days, the administration has increasing concern about

Can you please point the error now?


I believe the error here is parallelism. California is expected to see X and there is possibility of Y
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With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about public health and safety there

A. With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about

B. With California expecting to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts for as much as 30 days, the administration's concern has grown increasingly about

C. As California is expected to be seeing severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as much as 30 days this summer, the administration's concern is increasing for

D. Insofar as California is expected to see severe electricity shortfalls this summer, and there will possibly be blackouts as many as 30 days, the administration has increasing concern about

E. Insofar as California expects to see severe electricity shortfalls and the possibility of blackouts for 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about



Hi mikemcgarry,

Though I understand why A is correct, I would require a bit of your help here.

1. I wanted to understand the difference between the usage of expected in A vs expecting and B.
2. Also, is "to be seeing" as mentioned in C idiomatic ?

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Hi mikemcgarry,

Though I understand why A is correct, I would require a bit of your help here.

1. I wanted to understand the difference between the usage of expected in A vs expecting and B.
2. Also, is "to be seeing" as mentioned in C idiomatic ?

Thanks in advance :-)

Dear Poorvasha,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

First of all, the "to be seeing" in (C) is train wreck wrong. This is very specifically a trap for all the non-native speakers who do not understand the difference between the present and the present progressive. We use the progressive tenses when we want to emphasis that the action is in the process of taking place: we are emphasizing the action as an ongoing activity. The "seeing" will happen, but we are not concerned with the actual performance of this activity. The progressive tense is utterly useless in this context.

The construction in (A) is a some rare and extremely sophisticated construction. The construction in (B) is a typical mistake pattern. See:
with + [noun] + [participle] on GMAT Sentence Correction

Does all this make sense?
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In option A, what exactly has grown??? Option b correctly specifies that administrations' concerns has grown.
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In option A, what exactly has grown??? Option b correctly specifies that administrations' concerns has grown.


In option A, the administration has grown (increasingly concerned) - the word "grown" is used in the sense "become".

Option B ("concern has grown") would also be correct, but the problem in B is the use of the clause "there will possibly be blackouts.." in parallel with the prepositional phrase " With California expecting ...".

Moreover a case of run-on sentence (two indepedent clauses separated by a comma) arises because of such structure.
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can some one explain how is parallelism maintained in A?

With california expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer.

perhaps is an adverb, is it used as adverbial modifier such as [and therefore, and thus] ?

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can some one explain how is parallelism maintained in A?

With california expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer.

perhaps is an adverb, is it used as adverbial modifier such as [and therefore, and thus] ?

thanks.

Dear Avinash_R1,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

First of all, my friend, I am going to say that you need to gain more experience reading. Your question is precisely the sort of question asked by someone who has learned a lot of individual technical rules but who has less experience with reading in context. Context is everything in language! It is absolutely impossible to arrive at GMAT SC mastery by learning some chimerical "complete" collection of rules. To perform at a high level on GMAT SC, you have to develop the "feel" of the language and, for a non-native speaker, this comes only from cultivating a rigorous habit of reading. See:
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The parallelism here is 100% correct. The infinitive verb "see" has two parallel direct objects, "severe electricity shortfalls" and "blackouts," but it has a slightly different relationship to these two direct objects. The sentence conveys with certainty that, yes, the folks in California will "severe electricity shortfalls;" by contrast, we don't know for sure whether California will see "blackouts." The sentence very elegantly denotes this by putting this adverb, "perhaps," in front of the second direct object blackouts." This adverb, of course, reaches back and modifies the verb "to see"--unlike noun modifiers, adverbs and verb modifiers are not under the jurisdiction of the Modifier Touch Rule. The verb has a relationship with two direct objects in parallel, and the adverb modifies one of those two relationships. This is perfectly correct.

Non-native students, especially those who excel in math, are likely to fall into certain misunderstandings about parallelism. The most common of these is that parallelism requires some kind of precise mathematical equivalence between the two element, and that any deviation from strict equality is a violation of parallelism. That is a completely disastrous misunderstanding of the nature of parallelism. Fundamentally, parallelism is NOT a grammatical structure. Instead, parallelism is a logical structure, and the purpose of matching grammar is to support and elucidate the logic. All kinds of quite different looking elements can be in parallel. Again, it's hard to spell out the limits of parallelism in explicit rules: some of it necessarily involves a "feel" for the language, which, again, one acquires through a rigorous habit of reading.

Does all this make sense?
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Avinash_R1 wrote:
can some one explain how is parallelism maintained in A?

With california expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer.

perhaps is an adverb, is it used as adverbial modifier such as [and therefore, and thus] ?

thanks.

Dear Avinash_R1,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

First of all, my friend, I am going to say that you need to gain more experience reading. Your question is precisely the sort of question asked by someone who has learned a lot of individual technical rules but who has less experience with reading in context. Context is everything in language! It is absolutely impossible to arrive at GMAT SC mastery by learning some chimerical "complete" collection of rules. To perform at a high level on GMAT SC, you have to develop the "feel" of the language and, for a non-native speaker, this comes only from cultivating a rigorous habit of reading. See:
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The parallelism here is 100% correct. The infinitive verb "see" has two parallel direct objects, "severe electricity shortfalls" and "blackouts," but it has a slightly different relationship to these two direct objects. The sentence conveys with certainty that, yes, the folks in California will "severe electricity shortfalls;" by contrast, we don't know for sure whether California will see "blackouts." The sentence very elegantly denotes this by putting this adverb, "perhaps," in front of the second direct object blackouts." This adverb, of course, reaches back and modifies the verb "to see"--unlike noun modifiers, adverbs and verb modifiers are not under the jurisdiction of the Modifier Touch Rule. The verb has a relationship with two direct objects in parallel, and the adverb modifies one of those two relationships. This is perfectly correct.

Non-native students, especially those who excel in math, are likely to fall into certain misunderstandings about parallelism. The most common of these is that parallelism requires some kind of precise mathematical equivalence between the two element, and that any deviation from strict equality is a violation of parallelism. That is a completely disastrous misunderstanding of the nature of parallelism. Fundamentally, parallelism is NOT a grammatical structure. Instead, parallelism is a logical structure, and the purpose of matching grammar is to support and elucidate the logic. All kinds of quite different looking elements can be in parallel. Again, it's hard to spell out the limits of parallelism in explicit rules: some of it necessarily involves a "feel" for the language, which, again, one acquires through a rigorous habit of reading.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)


thanks mike. i have understood it now.

can
WITH be followed by a clause as it is in this statement?
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thanks mike. i have understood it now.

can
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Hello Avinash_R1,

I will be glad to answer this one for you. :-)

Please note that with is a preposition and is ALWAYS followed by a noun or a noun phrase. It is never followed by a clause.

In this official sentence also, with is NOT followed by a clause. See, a Subject-Verb (SV) pair makes a clause. However, there is no SV pair immediately after the preposition with as we can see in the following structure:

With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about public health and safety there.

With is followed by the noun California that is followed by the verb-ed (noun) modifier expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer.

There is no SV pair in the structure immediately following with. Hence, with is NOT followed by a clause in the original sentence.


Hope this helps. :-)
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thanks mike. i have understood it now.

can
WITH be followed by a clause as it is in this statement?




Hello Avinash_R1,

I will be glad to answer this one for you. :-)

Please note that with is a preposition and is ALWAYS followed by a noun or a noun phrase. It is never followed by a clause.

In this official sentence also, with is NOT followed by a clause. See, a Subject-Verb (SV) pair makes a clause. However, there is no SV pair immediately after the preposition with as we can see in the following structure:

With California expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer, the administration has grown increasingly concerned about public health and safety there.

With is followed by the noun California that is followed by the verb-ed (noun) modifier expected to see severe electricity shortfalls and perhaps blackouts on as many as 30 days this summer.

There is no SV pair in the structure immediately following with. Hence, with is NOT followed by a clause in the original sentence.


Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
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Thanks very much. I have a confusion in understanding whether verb-ed is acting as verb or modifier in an sentence.
If i want to check it, can i do this -> if i think its a verb, check who / what performs the action. if i am not finding answer to it, it is more likely to be a noun modifier
in this example if i assume expected to be a verb and ask who expected? it points to california, california can not expect anything. [so expected is not acting as verb]
is my approach right?
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