It is currently 18 Nov 2017, 20:46

Close

GMAT Club Daily Prep

Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.

Close

Request Expert Reply

Confirm Cancel

Events & Promotions

Events & Promotions in June
Open Detailed Calendar

with total population of less than two hundred and fewer

  new topic post reply Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews Important topics  
Author Message
TAGS:

Hide Tags

1 KUDOS received
Intern
Intern
avatar
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
Posts: 15

Kudos [?]: 52 [1], given: 0

With a total polpulation of less than 200 and fewer breeding [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 23 Apr 2008, 22:05
1
This post received
KUDOS
5
This post was
BOOKMARKED
00:00
A
B
C
D
E

Difficulty:

  45% (medium)

Question Stats:

51% (00:45) correct 49% (00:44) wrong based on 387 sessions

HideShow timer Statistics

With a total polpulation of less than 200 and fewer breeding females than ever before, the American crocodile seemed a decade ago to be in danger of disappearing.

(A) of less than 200 adn fewer

(B) lower than 200 and less

(C) lesser than 200 and fewer

(D) fewer than 200 and less

(E) of fewer than 200 and of fewer

(43/6)
[Reveal] Spoiler: OA

Kudos [?]: 52 [1], given: 0

3 KUDOS received
Retired Moderator
User avatar
P
Status: worked for Kaplan's associates, but now on my own, free and flying
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Posts: 4311

Kudos [?]: 8166 [3], given: 364

Location: India
WE: Education (Education)
Re: countable nouns [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 29 Nov 2010, 07:22
3
This post received
KUDOS
I think the text per se is good enough. Here the total population refers the quantum of two hundred and as such the non- countable comparative degree adjective ‘less’ should be used. We shouldn’t be tempted to think that two hundred is a number which can be counted as one and two hundred etc and entails fewer or lower.

Of course we must use the countable adjective fewer for the breeder females.

I feel there is no difference between leas and lesser. Both are useable and interchangeable. But ‘less’ is more often used than ‘lesser’.

So we can limit to Choice A and C and further narrow down to A because it is more often used
_________________

Can you solve at least some SC questions without delving into the initial statement?

Narendran 98845 44509

Kudos [?]: 8166 [3], given: 364

2 KUDOS received
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
avatar
Status: Do and Die!!
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
Posts: 312

Kudos [?]: 599 [2], given: 193

with total population of less than two hundred and fewer [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 28 Nov 2010, 17:21
2
This post received
KUDOS
5
This post was
BOOKMARKED
with total population of less than two hundred and fewer breeding females than ever before, the american crocodile seemed a decade ago to be in danger of disappearing.

of less than two hundred and fewer

lower than two hundred and less

lesser than two hundred and fewer

fewer than two hundred and less

of fewer than two hundred and of fewer
_________________

I'm the Dumbest of All !!

Kudos [?]: 599 [2], given: 193

1 KUDOS received
Manager
Manager
avatar
Joined: 04 Jun 2007
Posts: 57

Kudos [?]: 6 [1], given: 0

Location: United Kingdom
Re: SC - Less / Few [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 24 Apr 2008, 15:44
1
This post received
KUDOS
1
This post was
BOOKMARKED
With a total polpulation of less than 200(There is no comparison here so it has to be less than) and fewer ( Fewer shoukd be used as comparison is done between breeding females of different periods) breeding females than ever before, the American crocodile seemed a decade ago to be in danger of disappearing.

A is correct for the above reason

Kudos [?]: 6 [1], given: 0

1 KUDOS received
Manhattan Prep Instructor
User avatar
Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 184

Kudos [?]: 270 [1], given: 7

Schools: MBA, Thunderbird School of Global Management / BA, Wesleyan University
Re: countable nouns [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 29 Nov 2010, 13:46
1
This post received
KUDOS
Just a quick caution here. Choosing one phrase over another because it is used more often can be extremely dangerous. For example:

"I like to travel to places like the beach." --> This implies that I don't actually like going to the beach, but that I like going to places SIMILAR to the beach. (Maybe a water park or a sandbox or something).

"I like to travel to places such as the beach." --> This means I like going to the beach, but we rarely say it this way in everyday speech.

With that said, I'd push people to not just consider the single word used in this and other questions (less vs. lesser) but the phrase overall ("of less than" vs. "lesser than) and try to determine why one of these is right and the other is wrong.
_________________


Brett Beach-Kimball | Manhattan GMAT Instructor

Manhattan GMAT Discount | Manhattan GMAT Reviews

Kudos [?]: 270 [1], given: 7

Expert Post
1 KUDOS received
Verbal Expert
User avatar
S
Joined: 14 Dec 2013
Posts: 3197

Kudos [?]: 3504 [1], given: 22

Location: Germany
Schools: HHL Leipzig
GMAT 1: 780 Q50 V47
WE: Corporate Finance (Pharmaceuticals and Biotech)
GMAT ToolKit User Premium Member Reviews Badge
Re: with total population of less than two hundred and fewer [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 08 Oct 2016, 09:41
1
This post received
KUDOS
Expert's post
ankitmining wrote:
Bkimball

I couldn't understand the usage of "less" here. I frequently commit this mistake.....

Any thumb rule. Also I have clear idea of countable and un-countable nouns.


When comparing numbers, "less" is used (the number itself is uncountable). "Population" (unlike "person / people") is a number and hence uncountable. One can count people, but not population - it is meaningless to say 1 population, 2 populations etc. On the other hand, people/ person is countable - it alright to say 1 person, 2 persons/people, 3 people etc.

Kudos [?]: 3504 [1], given: 22

Director
Director
avatar
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
Posts: 780

Kudos [?]: 189 [0], given: 0

Re: SC - Less / Few [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 24 Apr 2008, 00:11
Sentence has countable and Uncountable modifier issue
Population is uncountable thing – like 1 population, 2 population ect – so correct modifier is “less” – Eliminate C and E
breeding females is countable – eliminate B and D

(A) of less than 200 and fewer (Hold it)
(B) lower than 200 and less (breeding females is countable so eliminate it)
(C) lesser than 200 and fewer
(D) fewer than 200 and less (breeding females is countable so eliminate it)
(E) of fewer than 200 and of fewer

Answer: A

Kudos [?]: 189 [0], given: 0

Senior Manager
Senior Manager
avatar
Joined: 10 Mar 2008
Posts: 357

Kudos [?]: 390 [0], given: 0

Re: SC - Less / Few [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 24 Apr 2008, 03:57
Its either A or C. I'm not sure which one to go with. Any comments - Why not C over A?

Kudos [?]: 390 [0], given: 0

Director
Director
avatar
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
Posts: 780

Kudos [?]: 189 [0], given: 0

Re: SC - Less / Few [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 24 Apr 2008, 12:22
Hi vksunder,

Lesser is used especially in a comparison between two things - requires comparison

I hope this help!

Kudos [?]: 189 [0], given: 0

Retired Moderator
User avatar
P
Status: worked for Kaplan's associates, but now on my own, free and flying
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Posts: 4311

Kudos [?]: 8166 [0], given: 364

Location: India
WE: Education (Education)
Re: countable nouns [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 29 Nov 2010, 19:25
Quote:
BKimball wrote

With that said, I'd push people to not just consider the single word used in this and other questions (less vs. lesser) but the phrase overall ("of less than" vs. "lesser than) and try to determine why one of these is right and the other is wrong.


Can you please tell us which is correct? Of less than Choice A or lesser than (Choice C).

Coming back to your example of the word ‘like’, the use of the same word in two different meanings is not equal to the use of two different words in the same meaning, which is what the text is about. Can you please give some more examples in which we have to choose between two altogether different words but with the same meaning such as equal and equalant etc.

I also feel that it is not fair to compare a word in spoken form with its written form.
_________________

Can you solve at least some SC questions without delving into the initial statement?

Narendran 98845 44509

Kudos [?]: 8166 [0], given: 364

Retired Moderator
User avatar
P
Status: worked for Kaplan's associates, but now on my own, free and flying
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Posts: 4311

Kudos [?]: 8166 [0], given: 364

Location: India
WE: Education (Education)
Re: countable nouns [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 29 Nov 2010, 19:42
With due respects to Bkimball's views, which he is entitled for, just as I am for my own views which I cherish, let me make out a few things. I think that this forum is neither for teaching nor for exploring English grammar. This is for teaching enough grammar to cross over the GMAT. Within that pressure cooker time of the real-time GMAT, the test taker must know the shortest but the safest means ticking the right ones. Knowledge of grammar is subservient to this purpose.

But let me reiterate that I respect other views too.
_________________

Can you solve at least some SC questions without delving into the initial statement?

Narendran 98845 44509

Kudos [?]: 8166 [0], given: 364

Senior Manager
Senior Manager
avatar
Status: Do and Die!!
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
Posts: 312

Kudos [?]: 599 [0], given: 193

Re: countable nouns [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 30 Nov 2010, 10:21
i opted C not because of countable and non countable but because of parallelism .... lesser... fewer ...
_________________

I'm the Dumbest of All !!

Kudos [?]: 599 [0], given: 193

Senior Manager
Senior Manager
User avatar
Status: Can't give up
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
Posts: 305

Kudos [?]: 36 [0], given: 35

Re: countable nouns [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 01 Dec 2010, 11:11
With total population of less than two hundred and fewer breeding females than ever before, the american crocodile seemed a decade ago to be in danger of disappearing.

of less than two hundred and fewer - preposition "of" not required

lower than two hundred and less - "lower than"...."less" same word different tenses

lesser than two hundred and fewer - when in context of "number" less is used....then fewer countable noun for "females"

fewer than two hundred and less - awkward

of fewer than two hundred and of fewer - same as A

Kudos [?]: 36 [0], given: 35

Senior Manager
Senior Manager
User avatar
Status: Can't give up
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
Posts: 305

Kudos [?]: 36 [0], given: 35

Re: countable nouns [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 01 Dec 2010, 11:35
ha ha..got answer for all of us.
we know why A and C are the contenders.
We must have read this, Positive/Comparative/Superlative - Little/less/least.

the sentence is already in the comparative form "of less"....using "lesser" making the context less twice is incorrect.
So A is the best.

Kudos [?]: 36 [0], given: 35

Manager
Manager
User avatar
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Posts: 143

Kudos [?]: 96 [0], given: 57

Location: So. CA
WE 1: 2 IT
WE 2: 4 Software Analyst
Re: countable nouns [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 01 Dec 2010, 22:52
here is a really good write up on this topic --
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/pos ... tml#p26913

Kudos [?]: 96 [0], given: 57

Manhattan Prep Instructor
User avatar
Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 184

Kudos [?]: 270 [0], given: 7

Schools: MBA, Thunderbird School of Global Management / BA, Wesleyan University
Re: countable nouns [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 05 Dec 2010, 07:39
daagh,

I completely understand what you're saying and didn't intend for this to be a purely theoretical discussion of grammar. That said, I have spent a lot of time taking, teaching, and reviewing the GMAT and I believe that you need to understand certain fundamental grammatical concepts to do well on SC. Although there are rules that get shared on many forums ("Being is always wrong" / "The shortest answer is always right" / etc.) the reality is that the only real hard and fast rule on SC is that "The right answer must be grammatically correct." Although students can probably increase their scores to a certain point using shortcuts, most of the comments I see on this forum are from students who say their goal scores are 650-750. For better or for worse, that's why I often post about the grammar behind SC questions.

Brett
_________________


Brett Beach-Kimball | Manhattan GMAT Instructor

Manhattan GMAT Discount | Manhattan GMAT Reviews

Kudos [?]: 270 [0], given: 7

Non-Human User
User avatar
Joined: 01 Oct 2013
Posts: 10146

Kudos [?]: 270 [0], given: 0

Premium Member
Re: with total population of less than two hundred and fewer [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 01 Jan 2016, 11:59
Hello from the GMAT Club VerbalBot!

Thanks to another GMAT Club member, I have just discovered this valuable topic, yet it had no discussion for over a year. I am now bumping it up - doing my job. I think you may find it valuable (esp those replies with Kudos).

Want to see all other topics I dig out? Follow me (click follow button on profile). You will receive a summary of all topics I bump in your profile area as well as via email.

Kudos [?]: 270 [0], given: 0

Manager
Manager
avatar
Joined: 07 Mar 2016
Posts: 76

Kudos [?]: 38 [0], given: 163

Re: With a total polpulation of less than 200 and fewer breeding [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 14 Jun 2016, 07:26
hanumayamma wrote:
Sentence has countable and Uncountable modifier issue
Population is uncountable thing – like 1 population, 2 population ect – so correct modifier is “less” – Eliminate C and E
breeding females is countable – eliminate B and D

(A) of less than 200 and fewer (Hold it)
(B) lower than 200 and less (breeding females is countable so eliminate it)
(C) lesser than 200 and fewer
(D) fewer than 200 and less (breeding females is countable so eliminate it)
(E) of fewer than 200 and of fewer

Answer: A




Hi!
if i am not wrong, we use "few" for countables and "less" for uncountables
Here both, population and females are countable then why cant we opt E?

Kudos [?]: 38 [0], given: 163

Intern
Intern
avatar
B
Joined: 08 Jan 2015
Posts: 20

Kudos [?]: [0], given: 31

Location: India
GMAT 1: 690 Q50 V33
CAT Tests
Re: with total population of less than two hundred and fewer [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 07 Oct 2016, 11:58
Bkimball

I couldn't understand the usage of "less" here. I frequently commit this mistake.....

Any thumb rule. Also I have clear idea of countable and un-countable nouns.

Kudos [?]: [0], given: 31

Retired Moderator
avatar
B
Joined: 13 Feb 2015
Posts: 807

Kudos [?]: 8 [0], given: 32

Premium Member
Re: with total population of less than two hundred and fewer [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 28 Jul 2017, 09:59
Merged topics. Please, search before posting questions!
_________________

Please Read: Verbal Posting Rules

Kudos [?]: 8 [0], given: 32

Re: with total population of less than two hundred and fewer   [#permalink] 28 Jul 2017, 09:59
Display posts from previous: Sort by

with total population of less than two hundred and fewer

  new topic post reply Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews Important topics  


GMAT Club MBA Forum Home| About| Terms and Conditions| GMAT Club Rules| Contact| Sitemap

Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group | Emoji artwork provided by EmojiOne

Kindly note that the GMAT® test is a registered trademark of the Graduate Management Admission Council®, and this site has neither been reviewed nor endorsed by GMAC®.