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# Within the first few weeks of school, the new teacher

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Within the first few weeks of school, the new teacher discovered that there was limited parental involvement and an abundance of administrative hassle.

a) the new teacher discovered that there was limited parental involvement
b) the new teacher discovered that there were limited parental involvement
c) the new teacher discovered limited parental involvement
d) the new teacher would discover that there was limited parental involvement
e) the new teacher had discovered that there was limited parental involvement
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10 Sep 2010, 04:06
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I will go with B definitely.
Reason:
 Within the first few weeks of school, the new teacher discovered that there was limited parental involvement and an abundance of administrative hassle.

Here the Sentence can be broken as follows:
Subject: the new teacher
Verb: Discovered
Object Clause: there was limited parental involvement and an abundance of administrative hassle.

As seen clearly the Object clause has changed the Ordering of Subject. So in the Object clause:
Subject: limited parental involvement and an abundance of administrative hassle.
Verb: was
Clause: There.

Flipping the Subject and Object in the Object clause:
Limited parental involvement AND an abundance of administrative hassle WERE there.

So the correct answer is B.

Hopefully I have not confused more than I have explained.
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09 Sep 2010, 23:37
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I am not convinced of (B), why do you think (A) is wrong ?

Consider a simpler sentence to demonstrate :

There is/are a boy and a girl in the playground.
The use of "is" does not seem incorrect in this context.

Here is another resource from the web where this point is argued out :
http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThereIsAre/cchzm/post.htm

In summary I think there is nothing wrong with the original sentence, Hence A
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I am not convinced of (B), why do you think (A) is wrong ?

Consider a simpler sentence to demonstrate :

There is/are a boy and a girl in the playground.
The use of "is" does not seem incorrect in this context.

Here is another resource from the web where this point is argued out :
http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThereIsAre/cchzm/post.htm

In summary I think there is nothing wrong with the original sentence, Hence A

"A car and a truck are traveling at over 60mph."
"A boy and a girl are in the playground."
"There are a boy and a girl in the playground."

I know it seems weird, but the MGMAT book stressed this, and said to watch out for it on the GMAT.
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10 Sep 2010, 01:53
A seems correct.

Ths use of "Were" in B is incorrect.
"There was limited parental involvement" means "Parental involvement was limited"
So the verb will modify 'involvement" . So "Was" is the appropriate usage here.
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10 Sep 2010, 02:18
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A seems correct.

Ths use of "Were" in B is incorrect.
"There was limited parental involvement" means "Parental involvement was limited"
So the verb will modify 'involvement" . So "Was" is the appropriate usage here.

But she discovered limited parental involvement AND an abundance of administrative hassle.
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10 Sep 2010, 04:42
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shrouded1 wrote:
I am not convinced of (B), why do you think (A) is wrong ?

Consider a simpler sentence to demonstrate :

There is/are a boy and a girl in the playground.
The use of "is" does not seem incorrect in this context.

Here is another resource from the web where this point is argued out :
http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThereIsAre/cchzm/post.htm

In summary I think there is nothing wrong with the original sentence, Hence A

"A car and a truck are traveling at over 60mph."
"A boy and a girl are in the playground."
"There are a boy and a girl in the playground."

I know it seems weird, but the MGMAT book stressed this, and said to watch out for it on the GMAT.

The more I read, the more confused I get ... can you point me to the relevant section. Also consider the following sentences :

There's a deer and a hog next to the pond
There was John, Mark, and Tom at yesterday's gathering

So both these sentences are incorrect as well ?
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10 Sep 2010, 05:50
Hey shrouded1,

In the MGMAT book turn the page to Subject-Verb Agreement Sub Section - 'Flip It'.

The two sentences:
There's a deer and a hog next to the pond
There was John, Mark, and Tom at yesterday's gathering

According to my logic they are wrong. However they do sound right to the ear.

Any Experts please ?
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10 Sep 2010, 06:19
Found it !

I think its time for me to shut down and relax now .... GMAT tomorrow, dont want to know any more rules or exceptions !!
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10 Sep 2010, 10:11
I will go with B
option A is incorrect. using "and " in the sentence is a clue to know that subject is in plural. so the verb should be in plural-"and"
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10 Sep 2010, 10:13
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whats wrong with c?
i dont like "there" in B
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10 Sep 2010, 16:59
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shrouded1 wrote:
NewSc2 wrote:
shrouded1 wrote:
I am not convinced of (B), why do you think (A) is wrong ?

Consider a simpler sentence to demonstrate :

There is/are a boy and a girl in the playground.
The use of "is" does not seem incorrect in this context.

Here is another resource from the web where this point is argued out :
http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThereIsAre/cchzm/post.htm

In summary I think there is nothing wrong with the original sentence, Hence A

"A car and a truck are traveling at over 60mph."
"A boy and a girl are in the playground."
"There are a boy and a girl in the playground."

I know it seems weird, but the MGMAT book stressed this, and said to watch out for it on the GMAT.

The more I read, the more confused I get ... can you point me to the relevant section. Also consider the following sentences :

There's a deer and a hog next to the pond
There was John, Mark, and Tom at yesterday's gathering

So both these sentences are incorrect as well ?

Yes, they are both incorrect. MGMAT (somewhere in the first few chapters, I think in the Subject-Verb Agreement chapter) specifically cites examples [strike]like[/strike] such as these. They also did mention something about British English being more lenient or logical towards singular/plural subjects, but I think it was in reference to singular groups of things.

EDIT: Never mind, I see you found the rule. Good luck again!
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10 Sep 2010, 20:51
shrouded1...all the best....crack it...
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11 Sep 2010, 09:02
Guys ..next time I make an error like this ..I deserve a kick ...and I shd be barred from writing the exam
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12 Sep 2010, 13:41
The new teacher discovered that there were X and Y.
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15 Mar 2012, 14:13
Hi

I understand the solution B is right but my question is if in E , it has were instead of was would it be correct?

e) the new teacher had discovered that there was (were) limited parental involvement

Please let me know and why am I wrong if I am

I am always confused with the tenses.

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Hi mikemcgarry / AryamaDuttaSaikia,

Can you please help me understand the preference given to option B over option C for this particular question?

Even though I agree that B is grammatically and structurally correct here, I felt C is correct because C is less wordy than B.
C states "Within the first few weeks of school, the new teacher discovered A and B". Why is the usage "discovered that" required here?
Also I did not see any grammatical error or meaning error in C. So I picked C as the answer.
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29 Feb 2016, 01:38
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Vyshak, C is wrong because the teacher didn't discover the involvement itself. He or she discovered that there wasn't very much involvement!

Having said that, B is a very clunky sentence, and I don't think it would fly on the GMAT! Like many of the non-official Q's making the rounds here, this one is not worth much of our time.
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21 Aug 2016, 20:32
Since this is a 700 level question I guess I over thought the question. But I need an explanation to prove myself correct.

"within first few weeks" is one action and "discovered" is another action. Shouldn't past perfect be used here? In other words, why E isn't right?
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22 Aug 2016, 12:07
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Since this is a 700 level question I guess I over thought the question. But I need an explanation to prove myself correct.

"within first few weeks" is one action and "discovered" is another action. Shouldn't past perfect be used here? In other words, why E isn't right?

"Within first few weeks" is not a point of time - past perfect would be appropriate, if the sentence were something as follows:
By the end of the month, the new teacher had discovered.....

Moreover the verb "was" is wrong - it should be plural: there WERE limited parental involvement AND an abundance of administrative hassle.

Therefore E is wrong.
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