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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 11:08
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In addition, the technology utilized in classrooms is, for the most part, outdated. I truly couldn't believe my eyes when I witnessed the unquestioned use of an old school overhead projector. Not the digital overheads that are in use at many institutions (I believe these should be replaced in an effort to implement digital whiteboards, doc cams, LCDs, etc), but a 10+ year old dinosaur w/ a large cooling fan. IMHO, it doesn't seem like Haas is terribly interested in reinvesting in its infrastructure to stay on par with other elite schools. I may be nitpicking/ranting, but I personally place quite a lot of emphasis on a school's willingness to upgrade its facilities and technology to stay ahead of the curve.


Can you elaborate on what additional value/convenience is provided by the different technologies you mentioned? I'm not defending Haas or something, just curious - I'm very happy with the stuff Haas has, so it's interesting to know what am I possibly missing.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 11:16
I thought the facilities were fine when I visited. Maybe it just wasn't that crowded that day. Although maybe I should say they suck since they dinged me :wink: Of the schools I visited, I would put facilities in this order:

Chicago GSB/Harvard (tie - different styles, both great)
UCLA
Berkeley
Michigan (although these three are pretty close to me, and I was surprised that Michigan is dropping so much money on their new facility, the old one still seems nice)
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Stanford

Maybe I am not so picky since my undergrad, UW, has the worst B school building I have seen.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 15:39
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In addition, the technology utilized in classrooms is, for the most part, outdated. I truly couldn't believe my eyes when I witnessed the unquestioned use of an old school overhead projector. Not the digital overheads that are in use at many institutions (I believe these should be replaced in an effort to implement digital whiteboards, doc cams, LCDs, etc), but a 10+ year old dinosaur w/ a large cooling fan. IMHO, it doesn't seem like Haas is terribly interested in reinvesting in its infrastructure to stay on par with other elite schools. I may be nitpicking/ranting, but I personally place quite a lot of emphasis on a school's willingness to upgrade its facilities and technology to stay ahead of the curve.


Can you elaborate on what additional value/convenience is provided by the different technologies you mentioned? I'm not defending Haas or something, just curious - I'm very happy with the stuff Haas has, so it's interesting to know what am I possibly missing.


What's the difference between Sony's first 13" Trinitron and a new 46" LCD Bravia? Not much if you enjoy watching PBS. Similar for the use of a 10 year old projector versus Interactive whiteboards/Doc Cams/monitors. There's little difference outside of the clarity if instructors are using clear overhead sheets for static objects. That being said, newer technology would be required to display moving objects, etc.

The bottom line is that you would like to see schools keep up with technology as well as with its peers. It simply shows an unwillingness to invest into certain areas of the program. You can pay all you want for the most brilliant profs, but to turn a blind eye to aesthetics turns certain people off. Not all, but I did have conversations with some fellow candidates at SS and many noticed the same.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 16:36
Well, no one is actually using overhead sheets. Professors are projecting stuff from their tablets, so they're able both to show dynamic content and to write on the "board". That's why I was asking if those technologies actually add any functionality on top of that.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 16:48
For argument's sake, let's assume it adds zero value to the classroom setting. The fact that 10 year old technology is available for use is my point. I have seen more recent technology offered at various other institutions. The fact remains that it turns certain people off. The same people who have quality of profs, job potential, etc as key factors in their decision making process.

It doesn't need defending. To each his/her own...
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 16:59
Right you are, perceptions do differ. For me, it's actually a good sign that the school doesn't spend money on non-value-adding gadgets. But I totally agree that people might be turned off by oldish ugly technology.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 20:33
hey peeps,

been a long time........but good to be back.

had my interview with a Haas faculty in India on Saturday......very chilled out usual conversation style interview. Dont think I maxed it, but dont even think I bummed it all in all.

My 2 cents on the tech/infra in the different schools i visited

1. HBS
2. U-Chic
3. Wharton
4. Berk
5. Tuck
6. MIT
7. Stan

Kindof ironic - the three big name "tech" schools - MIT/Stan/Berk - all come lower down in my ranking
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 21:58
Well, for Haas the reason is being part of UC with its humongous outdated infrastructure and policies made of concrete.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2008, 22:41
ahh, ok, thanks for the clarification!

braindancer: yeah... i hope this "detachment" from UC (of all professional schools) will help Haas and Anderson get better facilities soon!
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2008, 06:26
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ahh, ok, thanks for the clarification!

braindancer: yeah... i hope this "detachment" from UC (of all professional schools) will help Haas and Anderson get better facilities soon!


There really doesn't seem to be much room for Haas to expand...
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2008, 08:06
well, there were plans (as I mentioned before) to take out the Boalt Hall parking lot between Haas and Boalt and build a new joint building... that would have helped.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2008, 18:40
Just returned from SS and my first trip to Berkeley, CA. I had a great time. The students/adcom were great. The day went along very smoothly, along quite long by the end of the process. It was excellent to see how many student ambassadors were taking ownership of the entire process. From the panels to the tour, kudos to all involved. No real negatives to speak of. You could say that the facilities could use a face lift, but that's a relatively minor point. I would expect that this will be addressed in the near future, hopefully while the c/o '10 has matriculated.

My interviewer GRILLED me like I have never been interrogated before. I don't think she was satisfied with a number of my answers as she probed deeper and deeper, sometimes spending 5+ minutes on a minor topic. It probably wasn't nearly as harsh as it could have been, but relative to my other interviews, it was certainly not a walk in the park. Obviously I don't think she intended it to be rude, but I'm guessing maybe she didn't wake up on the right side of the bed? :-D
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2008, 01:07
SkiC! Glad to hear you had a great time at SS! I must say, I have been EXTREMELY impressed by every event Haas has put together so far, from infosessions to SS.

Interesting how the interviewer grilled you. I guess I could see them probing very deep. I had such a good experience with my interviewer that I didn't mind him asking me deeper questions... but it's probably because the styles are different. Either way, I think you probably did a great job and good luck with getting that phone call from Pete in a week or two!!!
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2008, 14:11
have any R3 applicants received interview invitations yet?
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2008, 17:05
i'm guessing they're crazy busy making decisions at the moment. I would probably wait until next Monday, after they make all the admit calls for R2.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2008, 14:38
R2 decisions...

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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2008, 08:11
DING !

I am having a spectacular application season so far...... 4DING/1WL/1 No Decision yet.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2008, 08:29
I was waitlisted which I guess is good cause I was expecting a ding. I'm not going to stay on the waitlist though. I think I prefer Ross.
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2008, 08:31
I just got WLed. So, what recommendations do you guys have for me? I need to schedule my interview sometime and really want to go to Berkeley. It's my #1 choice! Any tips are appreciated!
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Re: Calling Berkeley-Haas Fall 2008 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 19 Mar 2008, 08:47
sorry to hear about the dings and W/L's! :(

Ross is a great school skaballet, so you'll do great there!

For W/L, Berkeley is famous for moving a lot of people off the W/L (for yield control, since it's such a small school), so just follow up with a letter of intent that you really want to go to Haas, and then schedule the interview and you should have a good chance (50-50) to get off the list at the next decision point (R3 decisions).

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