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This question is from GMAT prep and I don't really understand what they are asking. Thanks.

Which of the following lists the number of points at which a circle can intersect a triangle?
a) 2 and 6 only
b) 2,4 and 6 only
c) 1,2,3 and 6 only
d) 1,2,3,4 and 6 only
e) 1,2,3,4,5 and 6
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 27 May 2009, 14:26
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I think that depends on what is meant by "intersect". If the point of a triangle touching the circle is considered "intersecting" then the answer is E.
But I think the questions means that triangle must poke through the circle, in the case the answer is B
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 27 May 2009, 14:52
A tangent does intersect at one point, so I would count ones where the side of the triangle only share one point with the circle.

The best way to solve it is just draw triangles and circles until you discover how many points it is possible for the two to intersect at.
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 27 May 2009, 15:09
Thanks. They did mean to include points where the circle is tangent, so it was E.
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 27 May 2009, 18:02
The question refers at how may points a circle can intersect a triangle.

Obviously a circle can't intersect a triangle at one only one point and also the intersection points can't be odd.(you can draw it and test)

so we can directly eliminate c,d,e options.

of the remaining two options jut draw a triangle and also some circles at different positions.

The answer would be b. A circle can intersect triagle at 2,4 and 6 only.
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 27 May 2009, 19:41
Considering tangents as 1 intersection I can draw circle with 1,2,3,4,5 intersection points with a triangle. However I cannot come up with 6 intersections. Looking ate the answer choices only choice which contains 1,2,3,4,5 is E but it also has 6. Anyone has idea about the 6 intersection points??
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 28 May 2009, 06:33
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Doesn't something like this work?
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 28 May 2009, 07:13
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Doesn't something like this work?


If 6 intersections are possible, then all intersection smaller than 6 are possible.

Thats E.
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 28 May 2009, 17:24
Thanks mkrump. I see now. I drew the triagnle first and then was drawing the circle so as to intersect in 6 points. I now find it somewhat easier if I had drawn the circle first and then the triangle.
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 29 May 2009, 05:41
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If 6 intersections are possible, then all intersection smaller than 6 are possible.

Thats E.


Not all but even numbers in this case. Try to draw and see if you can cut triangle at only one point with circle. It's B.

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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 29 May 2009, 06:42
As I said previously , the answer would be B. we should not consider tangents in this case as it is matter of intersection
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 29 May 2009, 13:52
humans wrote:
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If 6 intersections are possible, then all intersection smaller than 6 are possible.

Thats E.


Not all but even numbers in this case. Try to draw and see if you can cut triangle at only one point with circle. It's B.

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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 29 May 2009, 14:53
Sorry - I posted the question and I didn't mean to confuse anyone, but the answer is E per GMAT prep. The question does consider tangent points to be points of intersection.
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 29 May 2009, 15:50
mkrump wrote:
Sorry - I posted the question and I didn't mean to confuse anyone, but the answer is E per GMAT prep. The question does consider tangent points to be points of intersection.


It was an excellent question. I am sure a lot of us got to learn something new.
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 29 May 2009, 16:34
Yeah - I didn't mean the actual question. Just wanted to make it clear the that the answer actually was E.
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 29 May 2009, 21:00
Intersect does mean tangents should be considered. Those that are saying "intersect" cannot mean tangent also do not seem to be considering what is actually happening.

A circle is just a set of points that are equidistance from the origin. A triangle is just lines connecting three points.

If the triangle "intersects" as in, goes THROUGH the circle and is not tangent, then "intersect" means that the triangle and circle share 1 point in common, because remember that lines do not have any width, only our pencils do because we live in a 3D world, and cannot see 1 dimensional objects such as true lines and circles.

Tangent is the sharing of a single point, where going through the circle means that 2 points are shared because triangle goes through one line and "back out" another, therefore sharing 2 points.

There is no difference in theory from a tangent line that shares 1 point in common and no others, than one of the points where a triangle intersects a circle in 2 points. Each point is the same.

Intersect has to include tangent as well as everything else that seems more obvious.
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Re: Circle and Trianlge [#permalink] New post 29 May 2009, 21:10
Oh my poor drawing! :oops:

In fact, I drew these circles and traingles in less than 2 minuets - I guess. I was rushing to meet another deadline - friday evening/night meeting. :-D
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