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Keep record my progress [#permalink] New post 18 Jul 2008, 21:00
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Dear fellow forumers,

I really need your help to achieve my goal. My stretch target is 750, target is 730, absolute minimum is 700. If lower than 700, I will probably retake.

I started a month ago and grabed all the basic theory. I done all the Qs in OG11, and the extra two books for verbal and Quan, although not in a formal timed manner. I also read the MGMAT SC Book.

I took some CATs. Because I want to leave the GMATPrep to later stage, I pretty focus on MGAMT:
    GMP 1: Overall 640
    MGMAT 0: Overall: 660 (86%) Q47 (81%) V33 (69%)
    MGMAT 1: Overall: 680 (90%) Q41 (81%) V35 (77%)
    MGMAT 2: Overall: 680 (90%) Q46 (79%) V36 (81%)
    MGMAT 3: Overall: 710 (94%) Q46 (79%) V41 (93%)
    GMP 1(retake): Overall: 710 (??%) Q50 (??%) V38 (??%)
    GMP 1(2retake): Overall: 770 (??%) Q51 (??%) V44 (??%)
    MGMAT 4: Overall: 710 (94%) Q51 (99%) V36 (81%)
    MGMAT 5: Overall: 720 (96%) Q50 (95%) V38 (85%)
    GMP 2: Overall: 750 (??%) Q50 (??%) V40 (??%)

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    M02 58% 28 Correct 55mins
    M03 88% 31 Correct 68mins
    M04 81% ?? Correct ??mins
    M05 80% ?? Correct ??mins

My judgement date will be on Sept 8 :P

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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2008, 16:22
Hi, judokan,

IMO, it would be useful to do Gmatpreps at the current stage already. Most people think that they’d give you much more accurate feeling of the real test than any other CATs would. As for MGMAT CATS – their quality is decent, but quant section is not really representative in terms of time required to solve each problem. So, Gmatprep would be better to train your pacing as well.

Regarding the number of questions you may get wrong in order to still have a particular score… well, from other posts here I learned that this number varies very much, and overall, it is not the number or right answers that is important, but rather the level of the questions you get right. Also, the correlation btw No of correct answers and the section score is different for various CAT providers. And, again, Gmatprep scoring algorithm is considered the best – i.e., the closest to the real thing. I’d say that very rude estimation from your practice CATs is that you’re close to 700 – but again, you need to do more Gmatpreps to be sure of that… Some people tend to have MGMAT scores lower than the real thing merely because of the time-consuming questions there…

So, overall, I think that doing Gmatprep may be a good thing right now. I understand why you might have wanted to save it for later – but, IMO, you won’t be able to estimate your test performance accurately unless you have some statistics from Gmatpreps. And in your case (with the target scores as high as yours) this estimation is very important.
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2008, 20:18
Hi greenoak,

Thank you very much for your reply.

I also learnt from this forum that MGMAT Quan is more time consuming. But I just want to know how fast I am doing compared to a 700er.

I feel better now because I know I am not too far from 700. Plus, I still have 7 mroe weeks to work. : )

I plan to re-do the GMATPrep1 next week after I finish the MGMAT 3. I also know the importance of GMATPrep, I plan to do 3 times for each of the 2 GMATPrep before exam.
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 23 Jul 2008, 09:40
Any more inputs please.

I will take MGMAT 3 this Sat. Will let you guys know.

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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 25 Jul 2008, 23:05
Dear all, I just finsihed my MGMAT3.

GMATPrep 1:- Overall 640
MGMAT 0:- Overall: 660 (86%) Q47 (81%) V33 (69%)
MGMAT 1:- Overall: 680 (90%) Q41 (81%) V35 (77%)
MGMAT 2:- Overall: 680 (90%) Q46 (79%) V36 (81%)
MGMAT 3:- Overall: 710 (94%) Q46 (79%) V41 (93%)

Even though I got one RC repeated in the exam, the result is encouraging. THis time I improved the RC (83% correct) and CR (64% correct). But the trade off is my SC dropped from 76% correct to 40%. I spent too much time in RC and CR. I needed to guess the last 6 questions which are mainly SC.

For Quan, this time I managed the time better and could finish in time with a few guessing in the middle of the exam.

I thought I would get a poor result right after finished because of the guessing in Verb. THe 710 suprised me a bit.

ANy comment on my progress? Thank you.

Next week I will retake the GMATPrep1.
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2008, 01:47
I think your verbal score is awesome(41). If you can maintain a 41 on verbal and push quant by 2 points to 48, you are well into the 700's.
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2008, 05:23
aaron22197 wrote:
I think your verbal score is awesome(41). If you can maintain a 41 on verbal and push quant by 2 points to 48, you are well into the 700's.


This is my first time to break into 40 level for verbal. So it is not a solid one. Let's see how I perform in the nex test.

My big project will be maintaining my performance in verbal and improve my Quan. I hope the quan in GMATPrep is alot easier so that I can break 40.
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2008, 06:18
I think u will get around 47/48 easily on GMATPREP if you have scored 46 on mGMAT. MGMAT questions are just too time consuming and some are way above GMAT level. I suggest GMATCLUB quant questions if you wish to solve difficult questions. GMATCLUB quant questions are difficult but almost every problem has a shortcut or a trap. It teaches you to pay attention to detail rather than just throwing 2 page solution problems at you like MGMAT does.
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 02 Aug 2008, 05:54
Just retake GMATPrep 1. Result is discouraging.

710 (Q50, V38)

Because this is a retake (last try was 2 month ago), I expect to get 750...

Anyway, see lots of area for improvement. Need to work harder.

One thing confuses me. I got 9 wrong in Quan, I wonder why the score is still so high. Even though the score also depends on the difficulty of the questions, I expect that I cannot score 50 if I got 9 wrong.

Also for verb, I got 18 wrong!!! but still got 38..

Very confused. ANy idea?

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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 02 Aug 2008, 18:22
Real Gmat has changed- Unfortunately, GPREP is no longer is an accurate indicator of your performance. Focus on getting # of questions right rather than your overall score.
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 02 Aug 2008, 18:41
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Real Gmat has changed- Unfortunately, GPREP is no longer is an accurate indicator of your performance. Focus on getting # of questions right rather than your overall score.


can you please elaborate on it Club? I do not believe it is true. What is the source? ("GPREP is no longer is an accurate indicator of your performance")
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 02 Aug 2008, 21:11
Just re-took the GMATPrep after one day, quite a few questions repeated.

Score: 770 (Q51, V44)

Only 3 wrong in Q, just managed to iprove from 50 to 51. (got 9 wrongs previously) :?: :?: :?:

Got 7 wrongs in V, score jumped from 38 to 44. (got 18 wrongs previously)
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 03 Aug 2008, 13:11
Wow judokan. This is amazing progress. How did you manage to increase your verbal score?
Did you only go through the OG and the supplaments or did you do other material as well?
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 04 Aug 2008, 19:18
Hi Ali,

Please don’t take my improvement too seriously because there were around 6-7 questions repeated in both sections. But still, there are some improvements.

Materials used:
- OG11 and the 2 supplementary books
- MGMAT SC
- GMAT Club Forums – I used to ask questions for which OE is unavailable
- GMAT Club Challenge (haven’t started yet)

IMO, these 4 are most relevant to the real questions and are essential to score high in the real exam. IMO again, you don’t need anything else otherwise you will lose focus.

Here is my approach to prepare Quan:

(1) Do all question in OG11 and 2 books. Timed yourself.

(2) Do GMATPrep 1.

(3) Research your weak areas (combinations for me). Google the relevant contents and study in GMATClub Quan Forum. If your speed is too slow, you need more practice until you are familiar with the question types. Don’t worry, the day will come soon.

- Take MGMAT 1-3.

- Redo all questions in OG11, the 2 books and MGMAT 1-3. And tell yourself how stupid you are when you repeat the mistakes or “invent” new mistakes. So you will remember better.

- Take MGMAT 3-4

- Retake GMAT Prep 1 (where I am now)

- Redo all wrong in all previous exercises.

- Take GMATPrep 2. (likely be an indicator for your final score).

- Take MGMAT 5-6, GMATClub Challenge to perfect your skills

- Retake GMATPrep 2

Things that I did routinely/continuously:
- Log errors. Write down the important concepts, rules or shortcuts you discovered when doing exercise.
- Review the concepts and shortcuts every week

For Verb, my strategy is similar. What I think important are:
- Do OG11 and the supplementary questions twice
- For the SC questions, do at least 3 times
- Focusing on the speed when doing SC, aim at finishing within 30 sec (my time is 70 sec after doing all questions once)
- Then, you will have more time on RC and CR. As a non-native speaker, I think these 2 sections have no shortcut, I need sufficient time to understand the passages before visiting the questions.

Last but not least, searched this forum, you will find many successful stories. Read the hints form the 700ers, try to understand why they scored high. I can remember a few which are very important (sorry that I forgot the names of the authors):

- for RC or CR, when you have 2 very close answer left, focus on the meaning of the key words, instead of the overall meaning of the sentences to find out the subtle difference.

- try to finish AWA ASAP to leave more energy for the next 2 sections

- be careful of (C)-trap in DS

- if you are unsure about a SC question which is of 2-3 split, like this one:
(A) ….. derived … as ….unconstitutional… .
(B) ….. derived … as ….. unconstitutional ….
(C) ….. derived … ….. unconstitutional
(D) ….. derived … ….. unconstitutional
(E) ….. derived … ….. unconstitutional
lean to the 3 (i.e. C, D, E)

- In Quan, if you can’t even think of how to approach a question in the first 1.5 minutes, skip it, because it is unlikely for you to answer it correctly within the next 1 minute.

- you should have the determination to skip questions; and you should not give up too easily. Try to strike a balance between them. One solution is to practice more, then you will less likely to see unfamiliar question types. And if you can finish easy questions faster, you have more time for the difficult ones. And when you build up your experience, you will be able to spot the question type you cannot answer within 2 mins, so you know you have to skip. Again don’t abuse the skip.

- I cannot emphasize enough the importance of practicing SC, because it is the only section you can reliably improve the hit rate through practice. And you can improve the speed.

- You should maintain an error log. Questions you got wrong in the 1st time will likely trap you again. But after they successfully trapped you twice. You will remember them and revenge : )

- During your idle time (e.g. waiting a bus), try to summarize mentally what you learnt last night. E.g. Any new question types? What are the tricky ones? Are they distance-velocity-time type? Ratio/proportion? Word problem? Factor? Inequality? Why they are tricky to you? This is a very useful exercise for me. Now when I see a question, I can immediately open my mental directory, and I will remember the relevant questions I did.

- Try to memorize the rules/concepts/shortcuts. E.g. if you know the ratio of A to B only, you cannot find out the ration of A+3 to B+3 in DS. E.g. for consecutive series, if you know the number of terms, you know the SD, you do not need to know the exact value of any term. These rules are simple, you can prove them by inserting numbers. But if you memorize the rules, you can answer those questions in 5 sec.

- more rules: almost all numbers have even number of positive factors. Even prime number has two factors, (i.e. 1 and the prime number itself). One exception is the number equal to the square of a prime number, e.g. 4, 9, 25, they all have exactly 3 factors, i.e. 1, the prime number and the sq of the prime number

- if x=y if a bisector of line segment AB, if the coordinates of A is (x,y), then B should be (y,x)
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 04 Aug 2008, 19:25
Excellent stuff Judokan. Very helpful. btw, if you have notes typed up notes to share pls do.
Much obliged.
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2008, 23:14
x-ALI-x wrote:
Excellent stuff Judokan. Very helpful. btw, if you have notes typed up notes to share pls do.
Much obliged.
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my note is like a mess now. And I don't have time to structure it. You can search the forums. There are two sets of notes very useful.. Mine was largely based on them
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2008, 23:35
Just finished the

    MGMAT 4: Overall: 710 (94%) Q51 (99%) V36 (81%)

the Quan is ok, but verbal is no good.

Tried to improve in speed in doing verbal. Ok to finish within 75 min.

But the average time for SC still needs 1:40. And hit rate only 65%...

need more practise in SC.

ANy advice?
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Re: Really need help please. Restrategise need? [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2008, 04:27
Just took the GMAT Club test and MGMAT 5. (see post no. 1)

Got some improvement overall. Not a big one, but in good progress.

In the MGMAT 5, in quan, I did not look at the time and left the Q37 unanswered. Maybe that is the reason I can only get Q50.

I think I can get Q50 V40 in the real one. Still has one month to go.

BTW, I highly recommend the GMAT Club test. Without it, I will not as confident as I am now to score Q50 in the real one. Especially I got it by posting 200 messages. Extremely value for the "money".

But when you try GMAT CLub test, please note that (IMO) the test is much less time-consuming than the GMATPrep and MGMAT Quan. I normally finish the GMAT Club one with 10mins left. So it may not be a good tool to train your speed.

Next week, i will have my first take for GMATPrep 2. Hope I will get more confidence from it.
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Re: Keep record my progress [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2008, 23:46
Just took the GMP 2 this morning: Overall: 750 (??%) Q50 (??%) V40 (??%)

The score is ok, but seems many people said the GMATP gives an inflated the score. I would not be too happy about that. Retake next week and hoping a 800 : )

ALso see a lot of places for improvement. Time was tight for Verb, did educated guess for one RC (4 questions).

Performance in quan is consistently good, got 5 wrong. Thanks GMAT Club test.
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