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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 26 Jan 2011, 01:02
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Pkit wrote:
First of all, 1000 series have multiple mistakes in answer choices, so don't be shy to think logically and prove your answer choice.

Let me try.

The main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. - it is strong statement and narrows down the scope of argument.
Paraphrase it: If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you.
Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists.
Ok so far?

Lets see how can we eliminate the answer choices.


All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. - false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal. - it this trick, it is reversed statement that is not necessarily true. Too strong, "everyone"
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them. false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "


I too conveniently marked D and agree with Pkit here. D is the best choice. C and B are strong bcos of words like "will", "everyone". D is the best inference which you can make out of the argument.
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 03 Feb 2011, 09:54
After a series long discussion , I will not post who is right or wrong. As stated before, both C and D looks promising.

(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists.
Yes !! it will. Reason: insufferable egotists and true artists carry a journal.

(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists.
True: Because of lines... All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation.Some of these journal writers are ... TA,HO and E. So, if some of them belong to these 3 groups, there has to be another group of people and thus statement D is believed to be true.


I am absolutely sure that GMAT will not even think of having this type of debatable question in there database.There has to be a mistake in 1000 series questions. In particular,this question and its answer choices.

Your suggestions are always welcomed.

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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 03 Feb 2011, 23:16
I went with D because of the prompt, which says 'Some of those people who keep journals are artists etc.' So some of those who keep journals are not artists etc.
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 04 Feb 2011, 16:11
Pkit wrote:
First of all, 1000 series have multiple mistakes in answer choices, so don't be shy to think logically and prove your answer choice.

Let me try.

The main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. - it is strong statement and narrows down the scope of argument.
Paraphrase it: If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you.
Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists.
Ok so far?

Lets see how can we eliminate the answer choices.

All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?

Looking over this thread a bit more generally I think most people who doesn't believe in C are mostly forgetting one thing: the prompt asks you to identify a statement that MUST BE TRUE, and not MAY BE TRUE.

Pkit wrote:
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. - false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
This statement may be true. Since some observers write journals while some do not, the ones who do not write may not be heard by the next generation. However this statement doesn't have to be true. For example, if all observers write journals then all of them will be heard. In another scenario, if even some observers do not write journals, all of them may still be heard for other reasons (this is not constrained anywhere in the prompt)
Pkit wrote:
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal. - it this trick, it is reversed statement that is not necessarily true. Too strong, "everyone"
Sure. A→B doesn't imply B→A...this is a basic logic tool that everybody must know.
Pkit wrote:
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.
In the prompt we already know that among the ones who write journals there are some egoists and some artists. Those people will inevitably be heard. Therefore this statement must be true.
Pkit wrote:
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.
This statement may be true. Since the prompt lists only 3 types of people it means there may be other people who write journals too. But...there doesn't have to be. Therefore this statement doesn't have to be true.
Pkit wrote:
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them. false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "

Where does the verb "bear" come from? This statement is out of context.
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 04 Feb 2011, 18:05
In my opinion B and D are very close. B says everyone, but if you see the argument, it says All of those who keep journal, so basically all of those = everyone.

I see Pkit has a strong point too.
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2011, 03:11
Clearly C)
Answer D) is wrong because "SOME" from a pure logic standpoint can include ALL as "SOME" is a logical opposite of "NONE".

Hope it helps.

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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 22 Oct 2011, 13:42
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 22 Oct 2011, 16:36
PTK wrote:
First of all, 1000 series have multiple mistakes in answer choices, so don't be shy to think logically and prove your answer choice.

Let me try.

The main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. - it is strong statement and narrows down the scope of argument.
Paraphrase it: If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you.
Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists.
Ok so far?

Lets see how can we eliminate the answer choices.


All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. - false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal. - it this trick, it is reversed statement that is not necessarily true. Too strong, "everyone"
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them. false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "


I've written elsewhere that your reasoning for this question may not be correct. Please check this : tough-cr-86874.html#p985063
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 23 Oct 2011, 08:57
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2013, 12:47
+1 C
Statement says:
1)All who write journals will be heard later
2) insufferable egotists, true artists & ...write journals in a different manner
=> All those guys who write ( insufferable egotists, true artists & ..) will be heard


So C is a Must be True or Inference answer (I don't know the difference between these two question types).
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