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All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation.
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal.
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them.

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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2010, 22:36
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 14 Apr 2010, 18:20
Is OA (A)?
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2010, 01:51
The question has been asked before and most people voted for C.
But why not D? Why, as some say, is it out of scope? The argument does not indicate that the three categories are exhaustive. Wouldn't that mean that some people have not been categorized?
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First of all, 1000 series have multiple mistakes in answer choices, so don't be shy to think logically and prove your answer choice.

Let me try.

The main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. - it is strong statement and narrows down the scope of argument.
Paraphrase it: If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you.
Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists.
Ok so far?

Lets see how can we eliminate the answer choices.


All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. - false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal. - it this trick, it is reversed statement that is not necessarily true. Too strong, "everyone"
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them. false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2010, 03:32
Researched this question on the net, everywhere OA is C.

I picked A initially and not convinced with the OA.
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2010, 04:25
I went with A .. it should be between A nd D .. can anyone explain better?
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 25 Dec 2010, 06:24
come on guys, look at my explanations, if they are not compelling, prtovide yours then.
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First of all, 1000 series have multiple mistakes in answer choices, so don't be shy to think logically and prove your answer choice.

Let me try.

The main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. - it is strong statement and narrows down the scope of argument.
Paraphrase it: If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you.
Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists.
Ok so far?

Lets see how can we eliminate the answer choices.


All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. - false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal. - it this trick, it is reversed statement that is not necessarily true. Too strong, "everyone"
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them. false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "


Pkit, just wanna discuss y the A option is wrong..
As u pointed out, the main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. Means all those who keep journals would be heard by next generation. But nowhere is in passage, it is applied that ALL humorous observers of the commonplace keep journals. Hence, there are some humorous observers who DO NOT keep journals.

Now, looking at the option A, it says NOT ALL of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. Isn't this correct? Can u pls explain why should we not choose A as the right option??

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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 27 Dec 2010, 00:23
Pkit wrote:
First of all, 1000 series have multiple mistakes in answer choices, so don't be shy to think logically and prove your answer choice.

Let me try.

The main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. - it is strong statement and narrows down the scope of argument.
Paraphrase it: If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you.
Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists.
Ok so far?

Lets see how can we eliminate the answer choices.


All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. - false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal. - it this trick, it is reversed statement that is not necessarily true. Too strong, "everyone"
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them. false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "

Hi I think the OA C is correct.
The stimulus mentions explicitly that some of those who maintain a journal are true artists and some are insufferable egotists in all probability with 100 % guarantee.The Answer choice nowhere nowhere says that The next generation will hear all insufferable egotists and true artists.
So your question can be eliminated what if they don't have any journal?
As for D , the Powerscore Cr says that in a Must be True quest, we are not supposed to bring any outside information
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 27 Dec 2010, 00:25
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You are bringing outisde info into the picture while considering outside people
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Pkit wrote:
Look for my attachment

You are bringing outisde info into the picture while considering outside people


Dont agree.

Read carefully.

All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.

Some - means that there are other people except for true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists.

C is too strong (will)
В - is soft.
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 27 Dec 2010, 02:07
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mundasingh123 wrote:
Pkit wrote:
Look for my attachment

You are bringing outisde info into the picture while considering outside people


Dont agree.

Read carefully.

All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.

Some - means that there are other people except for true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists.

C is too strong (will)
В - is soft.

So Now , we have to get this sentence interpreted by some Verbal expert.
AFAIK, the the 1st clause is independent of the the other 2 phrases.
Some is only in the first independent clause and has no influence on the other 2 phrases.
Had the first been a phrase then i think the Some will have an influence on the other 2 phrases
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Lets get some Expert to answer this please Pkit,You have brought up a very subtle point.But i saw the encompassing "still others" to make up for the last category of people maintaining a journal.
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 28 Dec 2010, 00:27
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Lets get some Expert to answer this please Pkit,You have brought up a very subtle point.But i saw the encompassing "still others" to make up for the last category of people maintaining a journal.


Agree, let us see what experts will say.
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 28 Dec 2010, 13:31
To me both C and D are worth a look.

Pkit's explanation why C is wrong would be spot on if C were something like "The next generation will hear ALL insufferable egotists and true artists." However, since we do not have this word in there and we know that some journal writers are insufferable egotists and true artists, then C is true to me. The way it's spelled out right now, I feel like we should interpret it along the lines of "The next generation will hear SOME insufferable egotists and true artists." I may be wrong, or the answer choices are not that well written?

D also looks true because the stimulus does not seem to be exhaustive in nature. It doesn't say: hey, you know what, all those that keep a journal fall into one of these three categories.
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 29 Dec 2010, 01:25
I would disagree with Intern & PKIT. Clearly C is the correct answer.
For Contrapositive of 'Some A are B', is 'Some B are A' and not 'Some A are not B'. It is possible that Some A are not B but same cannot be said with certainty. eg. If I say some balls are red, it does not mean that some balls are not RED. I do not know if there are any balls other than RED.
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Re: 1000 CR question- must be true type [#permalink] New post 29 Dec 2010, 11:45
It is clearly C.

D is not necessary true because all the journals could be either true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists.

C is necessary true because there are journals, who are egotists and true artists, that will be therefore heard by the next generation.

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First of all, 1000 series have multiple mistakes in answer choices, so don't be shy to think logically and prove your answer choice.

Let me try.

The main statement is: Next generations WILL hear ALL who keep journals. - it is strong statement and narrows down the scope of argument.
Paraphrase it: If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you.
Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists.
Ok so far?

Lets see how can we eliminate the answer choices.


All those who keep a journal will be heard by the next generation. Some of these journal writers are true artists, others humorous observers of the commonplace, and still others insufferable egotists who feel compelled to record their every thought.
If the statements above are true, which one of the following must be true?
(A) Not all of those who are humorous observers of the commonplace will be heard by the next generation. - false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "
(B) Everyone who will be heard by the next generation keeps a journal. - it this trick, it is reversed statement that is not necessarily true. Too strong, "everyone"
(C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists. - wou really ?! what if they don't have any journal? Observe that official answer choice is wrong here.
(D) Some of those who keep journals are not true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, or insufferable egotists. yes! bingo. Remember the statement "Among those who keep journals are: true artists, humorous observers and nsufferable egotists." of course there are other people who keep journals.
(E) The next generation will bear some of those who are true artists but not all of them. false, as we know that "If you have a journal than next generations will hear you, if you don't they will not hear you "


After some time and with a fresh look, I think C is the Best answer!

The key here is the first sentence of the passage:
All those who keep a journalwill be heard by the next generation

Since it says that the next generation will hear EVERYBODY who keeps a journal, and we know that of those who keep a journal some are true artists, humorous observers of the commonplace, and insufferable egotists.

from here we can be sure that (C) The next generation will hear both insufferable egotists and true artists
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