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It took me 2 months of market research to finalize on a few Admission Consultants. I grilled almost all the big consultants . Some were too costly, others were simply not interested in what I wanted to say;
Then, I talked to Rahul from mbadream. ....

Agreed with scleraxis - The post by bpmbaquest definitely looks like a shameless plug by Rahul/mbadream.
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22 Feb 2013, 17:25

Also, has anyone faced a situation where the consultant himself/herself wasn't willing to work with the candidate because he/she felt the candidate wasn't a strong applicant and was probably aiming too high.
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22 Feb 2013, 20:02

Also, has anyone faced a situation where the consultant himself/herself wasn't willing to work with the candidate because he/she felt the candidate wasn't a strong applicant and was probably aiming too high.

Yes, I have. While I wish I could say that I got admitted somewhere to prove him wrong, I'm unfortunately on waitlists. But I guess waitlists are a better result than what this particular admissions consultant predicted for me.
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22 Feb 2013, 20:10
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Also, has anyone faced a situation where the consultant himself/herself wasn't willing to work with the candidate because he/she felt the candidate wasn't a strong applicant and was probably aiming too high.

Yes, I have. While I wish I could say that I got admitted somewhere to prove him wrong, I'm unfortunately on waitlists. But I guess waitlists are a better result than what this particular admissions consultant predicted for me.

I somewhat feel that it was a hard and honest call to make for the consultant. One they are passing money and two pissing some one off. At the same time they felt they could not help.

I am sorry about this rejection. Must have felt terrible to have that stamped on even before applying. Though it sounds it only made it more invigorating for you. Fingers crossed - probe them wrong!

Good luck!

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Also, has anyone faced a situation where the consultant himself/herself wasn't willing to work with the candidate because he/she felt the candidate wasn't a strong applicant and was probably aiming too high.

Yes, I have. While I wish I could say that I got admitted somewhere to prove him wrong, I'm unfortunately on waitlists. But I guess waitlists are a better result than what this particular admissions consultant predicted for me.

I somewhat feel that it was a hard and honest call to make for the consultant. One they are passing money and two pissing some one off. At the same time they felt they could not help.

Posted from my mobile device.

I agree with that and would accept that gladly from any consultant. I know not every consultant is a fit for every person. But it was his statement, which I left out in my last post, that offended me. He told me "I think you need career counseling, which I can't do."

If anyone wants to know who told me this, PM me. I don't want to bad mouth anyone in public

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22 Feb 2013, 20:17
Ward2012 wrote:

I agree with that and would accept that gladly from any consultant. I know not every consultant is a fit for every person. But it was his statement, which I left out in my last post, that offended me. He told me "I think you need career counseling, which I can't do."

Ugh. Sorry! That was an a-hole move. I take my post back.
And I think you already proved him wrong with 4 wait lists from the top 10/20 schools.
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22 Feb 2013, 20:56
Agree. I have used him before from Precision Essay. You didn't miss anything- if anything, you probably saved 1000s of dollars.IMO
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22 Feb 2013, 22:08
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I am above 30 years old, with a GMAT score below 690. I have more than 6 years of working experience and lived in Europe and Asia. I want to contribute back to this forum and share some words on Tyler Cormney. Btw I got into Stanford Sloan, Kellogg (with full scholarship), Insead and Wharton.

Tyler has been critical in my success. His methodology is nothing short of exceptional. He pushed me beyond my limits and helped me to craft applications that put me into the top business school. Tyler has a strong business background but also a Master’s in writing. I chose a boutique firm vs the big firms because I wanted to work with the founder, with a person who knows not only what the MBA schools want but also could make my story more attractive and sharp. If you go with the big firms you will end up working with one of the many MBA consultant who has MBA admissions experience but might not understand good writing.

I learnt how important it is to have someone who can respond your email in 24 hours and gives you relevant comments.

Tyler has also become a close friend who helped me to decide what school to go to and gave me well reasoned and honest feedback. Now I am super happy with my choice.

If I were in your shoes would I go for Tyler? GO with Tyler, only if you are ready to work hard on your application, and only if you aspire to the top business schools.

Three point to remember about Tyler:

1. Best in class methodology to craft a top notch application
2. Best in class in story telling
3. Great motivator
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23 Feb 2013, 01:47
Ward2012 wrote:

I agree with that and would accept that gladly from any consultant. I know not every consultant is a fit for every person. But it was his statement, which I left out in my last post, that offended me. He told me "I think you need career counseling, which I can't do."

If anyone wants to know who told me this, PM me. I don't want to bad mouth anyone in public

This sounds plain arrogance.

I had this free profile evaluation with a consultant (great reviews everywhere) and she told me that she hadn't handled candidates in XXX industry and in YYY role (something of that sorts) and I would be better of going to some other consultant. At the same time she kept suggesting to apply to schools outside top 16.

I could not help but think that my school selection was a major point because of which we could not partner.

As bb pointed out, I do feel this was incredibly honest of the consultant. Perhaps, a bit too honest for my liking. Either ways not a good fit.
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28 Feb 2013, 12:14
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28 Feb 2013, 12:30
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I also decided to use an admissions consultant. I spent over a month research different firms. Ultimately, I used Paul Lanzillotti at Amerasia. I did a couple of pre-emails and pre-calls, specifically with Dan Bauer at MBA Exchange and Aimee Pearlman at MBA Mission. My pre-call with Paul was great - I was looking for a more boutique experience where I felt that I would be more of a focus for the consultant that I might be a larger firm. In a lot of ways I felt that I was a borderline candidate that could really benefit from the help and direction of a boutique admissions consulting firm. My bought the four school program with Paul. My results:

Yale: Waitlist
MIT: Ding

You can't really argue with results. I went into the process with a dream school and that's the school I'm attending. Paul was very realistic with me during the process. Going in, he thought there were schools I should get into (I did) and a reach school that was my number one that he wasn't so sure about (and I got it). If anything, I would use this as a example of the fact that Paul won't blow smoke up your ass. When you're shopping around for a consultant and he tells you sure, with his help, you can get into HBS and Wharton, sounds good. Paul didn't. He took a realistic approach to my strengths and weakness and helped me frame a story that put me in the best light. Paul is excellent at figuring out what your best story is and how to tell it to admissions consultants.

On a side note, one of the most valuable parts of my package with Paul was the interview prep. I interviewed at three schools and with each his prep was instrumental. We did two - three mock interviews before each interview. I went into each interview with a great sense of the story I wanted to tell the schools. Not only that, but for each school he helped me tailor it to that individual school based on his knowledge of what that school looks for.

Its funny how after I posted my negative review of AmeriAsia all of a sudden there are 3 people who have new join dates and just a few posts immediately chime in and root for AmeriAsia.

I'm not saying the reviews are fake but take it with a grain of salt.
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28 Feb 2013, 17:05
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How much of a help is knowledge of 'specific school culture' ? How much of it varies with schools?

So, if you meet consultant A, who is the best writer you can get and consultant B, who has some specific school knowledge to go along with his writing (which might not be absolutely amazing) , who would you select?
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28 Feb 2013, 20:31
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Its funny how after I posted my negative review of AmeriAsia all of a sudden there are 3 people who have new join dates and just a few posts immediately chime in and root for AmeriAsia.

I'm not saying the reviews are fake but take it with a grain of salt.

Hello Andrew:
Thanks for voicing your concern. I wanted to take some time to address your concern because I notice that you have posted other comments to discredit Adam (and now me and the clients I have worked with.)

Previously (within this thread), you tried to discredit another one of my clients who posted a review. He responded directly to your post by stating that his review was in fact being officially verified by GMAT Club and posted in the official Amerasia review forum (http://gmatclub.com/reviews/amerasia-8?page=3). You then deleted your post on this thread (in which you claimed that his post was fake.)

Now, it appears that you are engaging in the same pattern of behavior again - which resulted in you deleting your old post(s). I am a little dismayed because a) these reviews have already or are being officially vetted by GMAT Club b) prior to this, you and I have had no direct interaction by which you could judge my individual abilities, but yet you feel informed enough to take issue with my client's assessment of those abilities.

If you take issue with me or any of my client's credibility of assessment, then I invite you to respectfully and maturely discuss it with me personally via phone call. I believe that our conversation would be much more productive, and place your anxiety to rest. Please let me know if this would interest you.

Respectfully,
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Hey jumsumtak,

My 2 cents - if it was a question of one OR the other (that is, you could not have both to any varying degree), you want to go with someone who can best tell your story. I say this because it's ultimately incumbent upon you to research the school and determine what courses, clubs, orgs, initiatives, etc. that will best address the gaps you have and ultimately help you address your goals. In the scenario you propose, a good writer would understand how ideas should flow and would ask you the questions that would draw out those ideas, which you would then place on paper to edit/rinse/repeat. A consultant with school specific knowledge may be a great help on the goals essay (for example), but may do little to help you understand what stories you should tell, as well as how they should be told to resonate with a reader. Put another way, it's easy to determine what club you need to join. It's harder to tell a story that makes you seem like a person, rather than an 8.5" x 11" piece of paper.

Respectfully,
Paul Lanzillotti

jumsumtak wrote:
Question:

How much of a help is knowledge of 'specific school culture' ? How much of it varies with schools?

So, if you meet consultant A, who is the best writer you can get and consultant B, who has some specific school knowledge to go along with his writing (which might not be absolutely amazing) , who would you select?

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28 Feb 2013, 22:48
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Hello Andrew:
Thanks for voicing your concern. I wanted to take some time to address your concern because I notice that you have posted other comments to discredit Adam (and now me and the clients I have worked with.)

Previously (within this thread), you tried to discredit another one of my clients who posted a review. He responded directly to your post by stating that his review was in fact being officially verified by GMAT Club and posted in the official Amerasia review forum (http://gmatclub.com/reviews/amerasia-8?page=3). You then deleted your post on this thread (in which you claimed that his post was fake.)

Now, it appears that you are engaging in the same pattern of behavior again - which resulted in you deleting your old post(s). I am a little dismayed because a) these reviews have already or are being officially vetted by GMAT Club b) prior to this, you and I have had no direct interaction by which you could judge my individual abilities, but yet you feel informed enough to take issue with my client's assessment of those abilities.

If you take issue with me or any of my client's credibility of assessment, then I invite you to respectfully and maturely discuss it with me personally via phone call. I believe that our conversation would be much more productive, and place your anxiety to rest. Please let me know if this would interest you.

Respectfully,
Paul Lanzillotti

1. I haven't discredited you - I merely brought up the coincidence that there were positive reviews from users with few posts and recent join dates after I posted my negative review. Could these reviews be fake? I don't know. How hard is it for someone to create a fake profile and write a good review? Business owners do it all the time.

2. I never deleted any of my posts and I stand by every word I wrote. I still think that review is fake. GMATClub can't determine whether or not a review is real or fake.

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Hi,

For the GMAT Admissions consulting reviews, I notice alot of users are new - they have 0 posts, 0 kudos, signed up for GMAT club the same day they wrote the review and didn't login after that.
Do we know whether these are credible?

Thanks

What I am seeing is that a number of people are being channeled by the prep companies to post reviews (who may not be GMAT Club members and thus sign up for the gift card benefit).
We do link to the profile there and list number of posts and Kudos (there are some heavy hitters there too) but the mass is usually much less active.

As to the knowledge if these are credible.... I sure hope so. Do you have a better suggestion?

3. I have nothing to say to you or anybody at AmeriAsia on the phone that can't be posted here. I have nothing to hide in private and believe others would benefit from my experiences.

4. Bottom line is - I believe the consulting services I received were quite poor. How could a company that claims the be one of the best advise a client to put down on his career goal essay that he is shifting from one field to another (in my case from engineering to marketing) without providing a clear transition? That was my case with AmeriAsia and I strongly believe it cost me admission into my top school choice (Columbia).

My interviewer at Columbia asked me questions such as "What have you been doing to prepare yourself for a career change?" and "Have you been reaching out to people in the marketing industry?" These are things that you would expect your Consultant to prepare you for, which in this case AmeriAsia didn't. If I were a consultant this would be one of the first things I tell my client!

When interviewing at Cornell (my alma mater and safety choice), I asked my interviewer what she would suggest to be the best way for me to prepare for business school and she told me that my drastic career change choice worried her. I had the numbers to back myself up (760 GMAT, 3.43 undergrad GPA, 3.30 grad GPA, both in mechanical engineering) but her biggest concern was that someone with the career goals that I stated in my essay would have trouble finding a job in this economy. I ended up getting waitlisted.

So a note to all those reading this - if your sole goal is to get into business school and you have no idea what your career goals are, make sure you tie them into your work experience and background. Unfortunately I learned this the hard way, even after shelling out close to $3000 to AmeriAsia for their comprehensive package and following their advice. MBA Admissions Consultant Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 903 Followers: 59 Kudos [?]: 208 [0], given: 216 Re: "Best" admission consulting companies? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 01 Mar 2013, 00:04 As other readers of this thread go grab their popcorn, I will just address your main points as respectfully as possible. sneakonr wrote: 1. I haven't discredited you - I merely brought up the coincidence that there were positive reviews from users with few posts and recent join dates after I posted my negative review. Could these reviews be fake? I don't know. How hard is it for someone to create a fake profile and write a good review? Business owners do it all the time. it's pretty clear that by introducing doubt (without any actual evidence) specifically aimed at my credibility and the veracity of statements about me - that you are trying to discredit me. It's apparent when you state that you are not trying to do something, and then do it in the immediately following sentence. I'm just trying to make sense of why you personally targeted me, when I have never worked with you. This is why I wanted to speak with you one-on-one - not because I have anything to hide, but because it's more personable, and because its harder to defame someone gratuitously when speaking with them (as opposed to a faceless forum ID.) sneakonr wrote: 2. I never deleted any of my posts and I stand by every word I wrote. I still think that review is fake. GMATClub can't determine whether or not a review is real or fake. this is the post that you deleted: best-admission-consulting-companies-92923-380.html#p1166735. The actual entry remains, but you scrubbed all content from post - hence, deleting it. In the post the follows (best-admission-consulting-companies-92923-380.html#p1166738) you can see that MNC86 replied to you calling him out as a shill by telling you that his GMAT Club review was being verified (which it was.) Again, if you proclaim that MNC86's post is fake, then you trying to discredit me (which I can deal with) and my clients (which is absolutely not acceptable to me - hence, the time and effort I am spending here.) one more point - GMAT Club does verify that reviews posted to each consultant's forum is accurate and true. They do this by asking both the client and the company to verify the details of the business relationship. They will also ask for receipts/contracts, correspondence, and acceptance letters/emails. It's not a conspiracy, it's transparency. sneakonr wrote: 3. I have nothing to say to you or anybody at AmeriAsia on the phone that can't be posted here. I have nothing to hide in private and believe others would benefit from my experiences. this puts me in a tough position, and I wished we could have handled this specific part away from the gaze of other forum members, and any admissions representatives that may be here. But since you want to discuss this publicly, I will oblige your wishes. In addition to the reasons I listed above, I wanted to speak with you in private because I wanted to urge you to take immediate steps to remove your public profiles, very personal information, and other questionable online content that you are posting under your actual name and username. The adcom can put 2 and 2 together, and they do comb through LinkedIn and other public sites. If you Google your full name or your forum name, any adcom member will see the pictures, comments, and habits that are not part of the picture you want to paint for your b-school candidacy. My advice to you is to immediately take those down. If we spoke offline, I would have emailed you the links that you should not be in public view because they discuss matters that fewer really needs to know. This includes links to dating and steroid websites. please - it makes no sense to have this discussion in public view. Although you encourage full transparency, you do have things to hide and I will refrain from posting these links. sneakonr wrote: 4. Bottom line is - I believe the consulting services I received were quite poor. How could a company that claims the be one of the best advise a client to put down on his career goal essay that he is shifting from one field to another (in my case from engineering to marketing) without providing a clear transition? That was my case with AmeriAsia and I strongly believe it cost me admission into my top school choice (Columbia). My interviewer at Columbia asked me questions such as "What have you been doing to prepare yourself for a career change?" and "Have you been reaching out to people in the marketing industry?" These are things that you would expect your Consultant to prepare you for, which in this case AmeriAsia didn't. If I were a consultant this would be one of the first things I tell my client! When interviewing at Cornell (my alma mater and safety choice), I asked my interviewer what she would suggest to be the best way for me to prepare for business school and she told me that my drastic career change choice worried her. I had the numbers to back myself up (760 GMAT, 3.43 undergrad GPA, 3.30 grad GPA, both in mechanical engineering) but her biggest concern was that someone with the career goals that I stated in my essay would have trouble finding a job in this economy. I ended up getting waitlisted. So a note to all those reading this - if your sole goal is to get into business school and you have no idea what your career goals are, make sure you tie them into your work experience and background. Unfortunately I learned this the hard way, even after shelling out close to$3000 to AmeriAsia for their comprehensive package and following their advice.

I understand you are upset and are venting. I would urge you to put aside emotion and take a step back, please.

we should have had this conversation offline. While this may serve as entertainment value for others on the forum, this whole episode make me genuinely sad to be a part of. Please, let's set up some time to speak over the phone, mono e mono.

Respectfully,
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The admission process for top MBA program is not like anything I knew before. Not only it is prolonged and exhausting, it's simply conducted in a different language. I wasn't used to presenting and marketing myself, and in this game, where you compete with many other people who are as successful and impressive as you, the contribution I got from Aringo was substantial.
Starting from building the strategy – how to market the story and ambitions of each candidate the best way possible, selecting the right schools for him and walking him through the application process until the interview. During this process, Aringo's added value makes the difference between success and failure. Their professionalism, dedication and the ability to see the bigger picture is what I'm grateful for. Without them I wouldn't have ended this process with 2 offers from top schools – Berkeley and Chicago.
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PaulLanzillotti wrote:

Andrew - it's pretty clear that by introducing doubt (without any actual evidence) specifically aimed at my credibility and the veracity of statements about me - that you are trying to discredit me. It's apparent when you state that you are not trying to do something, and then do it in the immediately following sentence. I'm just trying to make sense of why you personally targeted me, when I have never worked with you. This is why I wanted to speak with you one-on-one - not because I have anything to hide, but because it's more personable, and because its harder to defame someone gratuitously when speaking with them (as opposed to a faceless forum ID.)

Point taken. I'm not trying to personally target you, like you said we've never worked together. I was just bringing up a point that could be true or could be false. If it is false then I apologize for being wrong. However readers have no way of knowing as it was stated in the quoted post above. I'm certainly not trying to defame the work you do, I even commended your company on the response time and excellent writing style.

PaulLanzillotti wrote:
Andrew - this is the post that you deleted: best-admission-consulting-companies-92923-380.html#p1166735. The actual entry remains, but you scrubbed all content from post - hence, deleting it. In the post the follows (best-admission-consulting-companies-92923-380.html#p1166738) you can see that MNC86 replied to you calling him out as a shill by telling you that his GMAT Club review was being verified (which it was.)
Again, if you proclaim that MNC86's post is fake, then you trying to discredit me (which I can deal with) and my clients (which is absolutely not acceptable to me - hence, the time and effort I am spending here.)

Andrew - one more point - GMAT Club does verify that reviews posted to each consultant's forum is accurate and true. They do this by asking both the client and the company to verify the details of the business relationship. They will also ask for receipts/contracts, correspondence, and acceptance letters/emails. It's not a conspiracy, it's transparency.

The initial content from the post still remains the same:

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Unless I'm missing something here, I wrote that to insinuate that a user created a profile on the same day, logged on just to write a review that could be questionably real or fake. I don't believe I went into any more detail than that. I left it up to the reader to decide what's real and what's not. As for the credibility of the post, GMAT Club states here that even they are not sure whether or not the reviews are credible:

verified-reviews-125793.html

bb wrote:
What I am seeing is that a number of people are being channeled by the prep companies to post reviews (who may not be GMAT Club members and thus sign up for the gift card benefit).
We do link to the profile there and list number of posts and Kudos (there are some heavy hitters there too) but the mass is usually much less active.

As to the knowledge if these are credible.... I sure hope so. Do you have a better suggestion?

Unless I'm mistaken, the whole verifiable aspect relates to GMAT prep companies, not admissions consulting (as stated in the link above).

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PaulLanzillotti wrote:

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Yes I did create a profile on a dating website after a bad break-up put me in a state of emotional vulnerability. I did post questions on a steroid website after I was diagnosed with low testosterone and the treatment from the doctor caused too many negative side effects - causing me to seek feedback and advice from people who suffer from a similar medical condition. I'm glad to know that you're willing to go above beyond to highlight irrelevant issues of your company's clients. I hope your future clients can all expect to receive the same high level form of customer service.

PaulLanzillotti wrote:
Andrew - I understand you are upset and are venting. I would urge you to put aside emotion and take a step back, please.

Andrew - we should have had this conversation offline. While this may serve as entertainment value for others on the forum, this whole episode make me genuinely sad to be a part of. Please, let's set up some time to speak over the phone, mono e mono.

Respectfully,
Paul Lanzillotti

Ok I do want to clarify that I don't blame you or Adam for the result of my Cornell application. The point I was trying to make was that I used the similar goal from my Columbia essays on my Cornell essays and in both cases it seemed that both interviewer's main concern was the drastic career goal transition (I do wish that my Cornell admissions consultant would've picked up on it and advised me not to do it, my third consultant actually did advise me not to use it because it just seemed to not make any sense).

Yes during the alumni interview I did stammer when I was thrown an curveball questions - I later re-interviewed with a member of the admissions committee where it seemed that the main concern she was worried about was the transition in my career goal.

If you'd like to speak on the phone I am open to it. It does neither one of us benefit to go back and forth like this. You can PM me a time of your earliest convenience.
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So a note to all those reading this - if your sole goal is to get into business school and you have no idea what your career goals are, make sure you tie them into your work experience and background. Unfortunately I learned this the hard way, even after shelling out close to \$3000 to AmeriAsia for their comprehensive package and following their advice.

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