|
Author |
Message |
|
Manager
Joined: 14 May 2008
Posts: 57
Schools: Wharton (WEMBA East)
Followers: 1
Kudos [?]:
14
[0], given: 1
|
Question Stats:
41% (01:26) correct
58% (00:15) wrong based on 1 sessions
What is the product of 6 consecutive integers? 1. The greatest integer is 4 2. The sequence has both positive and negative integers Source: GMAT Club Tests - hardest GMAT questions The explanation for S1 indicates that all integers are knowable (The greatest integer is 4). S2 indicates that "the sequence has both positive and negative integers" therefore zero is included and the product will be zero. Nothing is incorrect with the explanation, but S1 would also be sufficient by dint of zero also being included in the sequence. Or at least that's what I take consecutive to mean. I only mention this because it's another way to prosecute S1, although I admit knowing I could crank out the product concretely was the first reason I discounted S1.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Manager
Status: I rest, I rust.
Joined: 04 Oct 2010
Posts: 128
Schools: ISB - Co 2013
WE 1: IT Professional since 2006
Followers: 13
Kudos [?]:
84
[2] , given: 8
|
2
This post received KUDOS
321kumarsushant wrote: What is the product of 6 consecutive integers?
1. The greatest integer is 4 2. The sequence has both positive and negative integers
My Sol: the product of 6 integer is 0. stmnt 1: it tells that nos are -1,0,1,2,3,4(from the definition of Integer.)
(An integer is a whole number (not a fraction) that can be positive, negative, or zero. Therefore, the numbers 10, 0, -25, and 5,148 are all integers. )
multiply them , you will 0 as Ans.
Stmnt 2: it tells nothing but def of integer.
so, statement 1 is sufficient alone to answer the question. and Answer is 0. Ok, here's the deal: As soon as S1 gives you the answer, you do NOT rush to click 'A'. You analyse S2 as well, and if S2 does not provide the answer too, you click 'A', else you click 'D' (please note that S1 has given an answer already so B,C and E are out of question). Now, we know S1 gives us the answer (0). Lets analyze S2 now. "The sequence (of 6 consecutive integers) has both positive and negative integers". So the sequence could be one of the following four: {-4,-3,-2,-1,0,1}, {-3,-2,-1,0,1,2}, {-2,-1,0,1,2,3}, {-1,0,1,2,3,4} '0' is always present hence product is always 0. Good, S2 gives us an answer too. Lets click 'D' now.
_________________
Respect, Vaibhav
PS: Correct me if I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CIO
Joined: 02 Oct 2007
Posts: 1262
Followers: 75
Kudos [?]:
505
[1] , given: 334
|
1
This post received KUDOS
The sequence contains both even and odd integers. How would you specify that both odd and even integers are in the sequence? I thought it goes without saying if not stated otherwise. Any suggestions? Thanks. ykaiim wrote: I have a doubt.
In S2, It is not mentioned that the series is of consecutive odd or even numbers: -4, -2, 0, 2, 4, 6 -3, -1, 1, 3, 5, 7
Both the above sequences are of consecutive numbers (even/odd) but having different products. So, I think OA should be A.
_________________
Welcome to GMAT Club! 
   Want to solve GMAT questions on the go? GMAT Club iPhone app will help. Please read this before posting in GMAT Club Tests forum Result correlation between real GMAT and GMAT Club Tests Are GMAT Club Test sets ordered in any way?
Take 15 free tests with questions from GMAT Club, Knewton, Manhattan GMAT, and Veritas.
Find out what's new at GMAT Club - latest features and updates
|
|
|
|
|
|
GMAT Club team member
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 11506
Followers: 1791
Kudos [?]:
9526
[1] , given: 826
|
1
This post received KUDOS
ykaiim wrote: See we can have a three different consecutive series: 1. Simple consecutive, with difference 1. 2. Consecutive odd (Example, -3, -1, 1, 3, 5, 7), and 3. Consecutive even (Example, -4, -2, 0, 2, 4, 6) S2 says that "the sequence has both positive and negative integers". It is not mentioned what type of consecutives the sequesnce is. So, it is not neccasary and correct to choose the (1) one. dzyubam wrote: The sequence contains both even and odd integers. How would you specify that both odd and even integers are in the sequence? I thought it goes without saying if not stated otherwise. Any suggestions? Thanks. ykaiim wrote: I have a doubt.
In S2, It is not mentioned that the series is of consecutive odd or even numbers: -4, -2, 0, 2, 4, 6 -3, -1, 1, 3, 5, 7
Both the above sequences are of consecutive numbers (even/odd) but having different products. So, I think OA should be A. When we see "consecutive integers" it ALWAYS means integers that follow each other in order with common difference of 1: ... x-3, x-2, x-1, x, x+1, x+2, ... (no such thing as simple consecutive integers). -7, -6, -5 are consecutive integers. 2, 4, 6 ARE NOT consecutive integers, they are consecutive even integers. 3, 5, 7 ARE NOT consecutive integers, they are consecutive odd integers. Hope it helps.
_________________
PLEASE READ AND FOLLOW: 11 Rules for Posting!!!
RESOURCES: [GMAT MATH BOOK]; 1. Triangles; 2. Polygons; 3. Coordinate Geometry; 4. Factorials; 5. Circles; 6. Number Theory
COLLECTION OF QUESTIONS: PS: 1. Tough and Tricky questions; 2. Hard questions; 3. Hard questions part 2; 4. Standard deviation; 5. Tough Problem Solving Questions With Solutions; 6. Probability and Combinations Questions With Solutions; 7 Tough and tricky exponents and roots questions; 8 12 Easy Pieces (or not?); 9 Bakers' Dozen; 10 Algebra set. NEW!!!
DS: 1. DS tough questions; 2. DS tough questions part 2; 3. DS tough questions part 3; 4. DS Standard deviation; 5. Inequalities; 6. 700+ GMAT Data Sufficiency Questions With Explanations; 7 Tough and tricky exponents and roots questions; 8 The Discreet Charm of the DS ; 9 Devil's Dozen!!!; 10 Number Properties set. NEW!!!
 What are GMAT Club Tests? 25 extra-hard Quant Tests
Find out what's new at GMAT Club - latest features and updates
|
|
|
|
|
|
Manager
Status: Trying to get into the illustrious 700 club!
Joined: 18 Oct 2010
Posts: 83
Followers: 1
Kudos [?]:
15
[1] , given: 58
|
1
This post received KUDOS
scorcho wrote: What is the product of 6 consecutive integers? 1. The greatest integer is 4 2. The sequence has both positive and negative integers Source: GMAT Club Tests - hardest GMAT questions The explanation for S1 indicates that all integers are knowable (The greatest integer is 4). S2 indicates that "the sequence has both positive and negative integers" therefore zero is included and the product will be zero. Nothing is incorrect with the explanation, but S1 would also be sufficient by dint of zero also being included in the sequence. Or at least that's what I take consecutive to mean. I only mention this because it's another way to prosecute S1, although I admit knowing I could crank out the product concretely was the first reason I discounted S1. Be wary when consecutive integers cross 0. Statement 1) says 4 is the greatest integer so the sequence will look like this -1,0,1,2,3,4 (the product of these consecutive numbers is 0) SUFFICIENT Statement 2) If the consecutive numbers have positive and negative numbers then it MUST cross 0. This will also yield 0 all the time. SUFFICIENT ex: -1,0,1,2,3,4 ex 2: -2,-1,0,1,2,3 D is the answer.
_________________
I'm trying to not just answer the problem but to explain how I came up with my answer. If I am incorrect or you have a better method please PM me your thoughts. Thanks!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Manager
Joined: 31 May 2010
Posts: 98
Followers: 1
Kudos [?]:
16
[1] , given: 20
|
1
This post received KUDOS
D As 0 will be included in both the options...
_________________
Kudos if any of my post helps you !!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
CIO
Joined: 02 Oct 2007
Posts: 1262
Followers: 75
Kudos [?]:
505
[0], given: 334
|
Sorry, I couldn't understand your point. Do you suggest that we state in the explanation for S1 that 0 will be one of the numbers. Thanks.
_________________
Welcome to GMAT Club! 
   Want to solve GMAT questions on the go? GMAT Club iPhone app will help. Please read this before posting in GMAT Club Tests forum Result correlation between real GMAT and GMAT Club Tests Are GMAT Club Test sets ordered in any way?
Take 15 free tests with questions from GMAT Club, Knewton, Manhattan GMAT, and Veritas.
Find out what's new at GMAT Club - latest features and updates
|
|
|
|
|
|
Director
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 959
WE 1: 3.5 yrs IT
WE 2: 2.5 yrs Retail chain
Followers: 38
Kudos [?]:
555
[0], given: 40
|
I have a doubt. In S2, It is not mentioned that the series is of consecutive odd or even numbers: -4, -2, 0, 2, 4, 6 -3, -1, 1, 3, 5, 7 Both the above sequences are of consecutive numbers (even/odd) but having different products. So, I think OA should be A.
_________________
Want to improve your CR: cr-methods-an-approach-to-find-the-best-answers-93146.html Tricky Quant problems: 50-tricky-questions-92834.html Important Grammer Fundamentals: key-fundamentals-of-grammer-our-crucial-learnings-on-sc-93659.html
|
|
|
|
|
|
Director
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 959
WE 1: 3.5 yrs IT
WE 2: 2.5 yrs Retail chain
Followers: 38
Kudos [?]:
555
[0], given: 40
|
See we can have a three different consecutive series: 1. Simple consecutive, with difference 1. 2. Consecutive odd (Example, -3, -1, 1, 3, 5, 7), and 3. Consecutive even (Example, -4, -2, 0, 2, 4, 6) S2 says that "the sequence has both positive and negative integers". It is not mentioned what type of consecutives the sequesnce is. So, it is not neccasary and correct to choose the (1) one. dzyubam wrote: The sequence contains both even and odd integers. How would you specify that both odd and even integers are in the sequence? I thought it goes without saying if not stated otherwise. Any suggestions? Thanks. ykaiim wrote: I have a doubt.
In S2, It is not mentioned that the series is of consecutive odd or even numbers: -4, -2, 0, 2, 4, 6 -3, -1, 1, 3, 5, 7
Both the above sequences are of consecutive numbers (even/odd) but having different products. So, I think OA should be A.
_________________
Want to improve your CR: cr-methods-an-approach-to-find-the-best-answers-93146.html Tricky Quant problems: 50-tricky-questions-92834.html Important Grammer Fundamentals: key-fundamentals-of-grammer-our-crucial-learnings-on-sc-93659.html
|
|
|
|
|
|
Director
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 959
WE 1: 3.5 yrs IT
WE 2: 2.5 yrs Retail chain
Followers: 38
Kudos [?]:
555
[0], given: 40
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Director
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 959
WE 1: 3.5 yrs IT
WE 2: 2.5 yrs Retail chain
Followers: 38
Kudos [?]:
555
[0], given: 40
|
Bunuel, Do you mean to say, unless clearl y mentioned what type of consecutives number, we need to consider the immediate consecutive numbers -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4.....?
_________________
Want to improve your CR: cr-methods-an-approach-to-find-the-best-answers-93146.html Tricky Quant problems: 50-tricky-questions-92834.html Important Grammer Fundamentals: key-fundamentals-of-grammer-our-crucial-learnings-on-sc-93659.html
|
|
|
|
|
|
GMAT Club team member
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 11506
Followers: 1791
Kudos [?]:
9526
[0], given: 826
|
ykaiim wrote: Bunuel,
Do you mean to say, unless clearl y mentioned what type of consecutives number, we need to consider the immediate consecutive numbers -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4.....? Yes. "Consecutive integers", unless otherwise specified, means integers that follow each other in order with common difference of 1.
_________________
PLEASE READ AND FOLLOW: 11 Rules for Posting!!!
RESOURCES: [GMAT MATH BOOK]; 1. Triangles; 2. Polygons; 3. Coordinate Geometry; 4. Factorials; 5. Circles; 6. Number Theory
COLLECTION OF QUESTIONS: PS: 1. Tough and Tricky questions; 2. Hard questions; 3. Hard questions part 2; 4. Standard deviation; 5. Tough Problem Solving Questions With Solutions; 6. Probability and Combinations Questions With Solutions; 7 Tough and tricky exponents and roots questions; 8 12 Easy Pieces (or not?); 9 Bakers' Dozen; 10 Algebra set. NEW!!!
DS: 1. DS tough questions; 2. DS tough questions part 2; 3. DS tough questions part 3; 4. DS Standard deviation; 5. Inequalities; 6. 700+ GMAT Data Sufficiency Questions With Explanations; 7 Tough and tricky exponents and roots questions; 8 The Discreet Charm of the DS ; 9 Devil's Dozen!!!; 10 Number Properties set. NEW!!!
 What are GMAT Club Tests? 25 extra-hard Quant Tests
Find out what's new at GMAT Club - latest features and updates
|
|
|
|
|
|
Director
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 959
WE 1: 3.5 yrs IT
WE 2: 2.5 yrs Retail chain
Followers: 38
Kudos [?]:
555
[0], given: 40
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Intern
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Posts: 10
Followers: 0
Kudos [?]:
1
[0], given: 11
|
rmangal wrote: A rmangal... that's incorrect!!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Manager
Joined: 23 Oct 2010
Posts: 93
Location: India
Followers: 2
Kudos [?]:
15
[0], given: 6
|
I would go with A. As explained earlier option 1 seems to include all information that is required. Option 2 just gives a small set of information which is already available in 1. Posted from my mobile device
|
|
|
|
|
|
Manager
Joined: 23 Oct 2010
Posts: 93
Location: India
Followers: 2
Kudos [?]:
15
[0], given: 6
|
So I am wrong, looking at the OA. Did not consider that option 2 also states that there is 0 as one of the numbers. I think I was trying to be fast/furious  . Arrived at the first answer within 30s and hence missed some details. Posted from my mobile device
|
|
|
|
|
|
Manager
Joined: 01 Nov 2010
Posts: 205
Location: India
Concentration: Technology, Marketing
GMAT Date: 08-27-2012
GPA: 3.8
WE: Marketing (Manufacturing)
Followers: 5
Kudos [?]:
10
[0], given: 26
|
What is the product of 6 consecutive integers? 1. The greatest integer is 4 2. The sequence has both positive and negative integers My Sol: the product of 6 integer is 0. stmnt 1: it tells that nos are -1,0,1,2,3,4(from the definition of Integer.) (An integer is a whole number (not a fraction) that can be positive, negative, or zero. Therefore, the numbers 10, 0, -25, and 5,148 are all integers. ) multiply them , you will 0 as Ans. Stmnt 2: it tells nothing but def of integer. so, statement 1 is sufficient alone to answer the question. and Answer is 0.
_________________
kudos me if you like my post.
Attitude determine everything. all the best and God bless you.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Manager
Joined: 01 Nov 2010
Posts: 205
Location: India
Concentration: Technology, Marketing
GMAT Date: 08-27-2012
GPA: 3.8
WE: Marketing (Manufacturing)
Followers: 5
Kudos [?]:
10
[0], given: 26
|
vaibhavtripathi wrote: 321kumarsushant wrote: What is the product of 6 consecutive integers?
1. The greatest integer is 4 2. The sequence has both positive and negative integers
My Sol: the product of 6 integer is 0. stmnt 1: it tells that nos are -1,0,1,2,3,4(from the definition of Integer.)
(An integer is a whole number (not a fraction) that can be positive, negative, or zero. Therefore, the numbers 10, 0, -25, and 5,148 are all integers. )
multiply them , you will 0 as Ans.
Stmnt 2: it tells nothing but def of integer.
so, statement 1 is sufficient alone to answer the question. and Answer is 0. Ok, here's the deal: As soon as S1 gives you the answer, you do NOT rush to click 'A'. You analyse S2 as well, and if S2 does not provide the answer too, you click 'A', else you click 'D' (please note that S1 has given an answer already so B,C and E are out of question). Now, we know S1 gives us the answer (0). Lets analyze S2 now. "The sequence (of 6 consecutive integers) has both positive and negative integers". So the sequence could be one of the following four: {-4,-3,-2,-1,0,1}, {-3,-2,-1,0,1,2}, {-2,-1,0,1,2,3}, {-1,0,1,2,3,4} '0' is always present hence product is always 0. Good, S2 gives us an answer too. Lets click 'D' now. hey vaibhav, such a nice explanation. i was about to reply you back, but then only i realize .. what you have said is right. thnx a ton. both statement can answer the question alone. and the ultimate answer will be 0(Zero.)
_________________
kudos me if you like my post.
Attitude determine everything. all the best and God bless you.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Manager
Status: I rest, I rust.
Joined: 04 Oct 2010
Posts: 128
Schools: ISB - Co 2013
WE 1: IT Professional since 2006
Followers: 13
Kudos [?]:
84
[0], given: 8
|
Glad I could help.
_________________
Respect, Vaibhav
PS: Correct me if I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Intern
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
Posts: 7
Followers: 0
Kudos [?]:
0
[0], given: 6
|
statement 2 only says 'The sequence has both positive and negative integers' n doesnt speak where it starts n ends. eg {1,2,3,4,5,6} can also be valid IMO A vaibhavtripathi wrote: 321kumarsushant wrote: What is the product of 6 consecutive integers?
1. The greatest integer is 4 2. The sequence has both positive and negative integers
My Sol: the product of 6 integer is 0. stmnt 1: it tells that nos are -1,0,1,2,3,4(from the definition of Integer.)
(An integer is a whole number (not a fraction) that can be positive, negative, or zero. Therefore, the numbers 10, 0, -25, and 5,148 are all integers. )
multiply them , you will 0 as Ans.
Stmnt 2: it tells nothing but def of integer.
so, statement 1 is sufficient alone to answer the question. and Answer is 0. Ok, here's the deal: As soon as S1 gives you the answer, you do NOT rush to click 'A'. You analyse S2 as well, and if S2 does not provide the answer too, you click 'A', else you click 'D' (please note that S1 has given an answer already so B,C and E are out of question). Now, we know S1 gives us the answer (0). Lets analyze S2 now. "The sequence (of 6 consecutive integers) has both positive and negative integers". So the sequence could be one of the following four: {-4,-3,-2,-1,0,1}, {-3,-2,-1,0,1,2}, {-2,-1,0,1,2,3}, {-1,0,1,2,3,4} '0' is always present hence product is always 0. Good, S2 gives us an answer too. Lets click 'D' now.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|