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If XY is divisible by 4, which of the following must be true?

(A) If X is even then Y is odd.
(B) If X = \sqrt{2} then Y is not a positive integer.
(C) If X is 0 then X + Y is not 0.
(D) X^Y is even.
(E) \frac{X}{Y} is not an integer.

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The OE is not making sense to me. Why XY has to be an integer?
why can't it be 8*root2?
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2009, 15:05
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Because it is divisible by 4
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2009, 15:12
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XY must be an integer because when a number is divisible by an integer, this means that the quotient MUST be an integer. Sure you can divide 8.12 by 4, you get 2.03, but that does not mean that 8.12 is divisible by 4. divisibility implies no decimal remainders.

SO XY must be an integer. What I'm not sure of though with this question is why must Y NOT be a positive integer?

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The OE is not making sense to me. Why XY has to be an integer?
why can't it be 8*root2?

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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 07 Jun 2009, 12:29
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Thanks jallenmorris for your reply. +1 for you. Also, I am not sure why must Y NOT be a positive integer.
Can founder please explain it?
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 07 Jun 2009, 14:49
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I agree with you regarding "positive integer". This doesn't make any sense. Maybe there is something that I do not understand, but I see no reason that "positive" matters.

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Thanks jallenmorris for your reply. +1 for you. Also, I am not sure why must Y NOT be a positive integer.
Can founder please explain it?

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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 10 Jun 2009, 01:55
Thanks guys. +1 to both of you. We deleted the "positive" and now it reads "not an integer" in option B.
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2009, 03:55
:) it's back to "... not a positive integer"
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dzyubam wrote:
Thanks guys. +1 to both of you. We deleted the "positive" and now it reads "not an integer" in option B.


Dzyubam, I think you were right at the beginning.

The reason you need "positive" in (B), if X is SQRT(2), Y is not a "POSITIVE" integer, is because if X is SQRT(2), Y can still be zero, which does not violate the condition.

However, if the answer choice is changed to Y is not an integer, then X = SQRT (2), Y = 0, and XY = 0 and divisible by 4. Y IS an integer so the statement isn't true.

The other statements don't work either, so I think you need to change it back to "Positive."

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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2009, 05:40
Why is it back to "...not a positive integer" ?

dzyubam wrote:
:) it's back to "... not a positive integer"
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dzyubam wrote:
Thanks guys. +1 to both of you. We deleted the "positive" and now it reads "not an integer" in option B.


Dzyubam, I think you were right at the beginning.

The reason you need "positive" in (B), if X is SQRT(2), Y is not a "POSITIVE" integer, is because if X is SQRT(2), Y can still be zero, which does not violate the condition.

However, if the answer choice is changed to Y is not an integer, then X = SQRT (2), Y = 0, and XY = 0 and divisible by 4. Y IS an integer so the statement isn't true.

The other statements don't work either, so I think you need to change it back to "Positive."

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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2009, 06:03
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As already told by bipolarbear, if X=\sqrt{2} and Y=0, then XY=0 and it is divisible by 4. If option B doesn't have "positive integer", then B is violated as 0 is an integer (neither positive nor negative).

Please tell me if I'm wrong.
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2009, 08:00
Yeah, that makes sense. I wasn't thinking about 0 being divisible by any number, including 4.
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2009, 12:06
Y=0 or \sqrt{2}*2*n, n is an integer.

so Y is not a positive integer.
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2009, 14:00
pmal04 wrote:
The OE is not making sense to me. Why XY has to be an integer?
why can't it be 8*root2?


However B implies that y can be a -ve integer, which is not true. If x = sqrt2, y is neither a +ve nor a -ve integer. Yes it could be 0 or n(sqrt2) where n is an even integer.

Looks like answer choice "B" needs to be revised in a more absolute way.
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 08 Nov 2009, 07:20
I think that B is correct as it is because at least we know that Y cannot be a positive integer. We do not know whether Y may or may not be a negative integer at this point.
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2010, 05:46
Hmm...
since x=sqrt(2), the value of y can well be y=4/sqrt(2) or y=8/sqrt(2) or so on...(or, as mentioned before y=0)
In that case y is not even an integer (forget it being positive or negative)...

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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2010, 06:46
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dzyubam wrote:
Thanks guys. +1 to both of you. We deleted the "positive" and now it reads "not an integer" in option B.

Then the question becomes much easier to solve.
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2010, 09:32
Shouldn t it be D.

In fact if X is odd. Then for XY to be divisible by four we need Y to be divisble by four hence Y is even hence x^ y is even

if x is even then whatever y such as xy divisble by 4 x^ y will be even

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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2010, 10:07
I'm not sure I completely understand your specific question, but I'll attempt to explain why the correct answer to this problem is not D.

D. X^Y is Even.

Well, the stem tesll us to assume that XY is divisible by 4, and then we have to determine if D must be true.

We know that D is not necessarily true. You are correct in that if X is ODD, then Y could be divisible by 4 and therefore XY would be divisible by 4. However, this isn't exaclty what the question is getting at.

X^Y could be ODD. Lets say you have a situation where XY = 104 (X=13 Y = 8) 13^8 = ODD number (an odd*odd will always = odd). Therefore it is false to say "If XY is dividisble by for, then X^Y must always be odd."

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Shouldn t it be D.

In fact if X is odd. Then for XY to be divisible by four we need Y to be divisble by four hence Y is even hence x^ y is even

if x is even then whatever y such as xy divisble by 4 x^ y will be even

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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2010, 11:23
It cannot be D.

If XY = 12(3*4), X^Y = 3*4 . then 3 ^ 4 = 81 (odd).
If X = 8 (2*4) , X^Y= 2^4 = 16(even)

i feel like we shud beware of MUST BE TRUE q's. these q's demand that the correct answer choice should be true in all cases. this is not same as CAN BE TRUE q's.

Also, in B option , it says Y cannot be a positive integer if X=sqrt(2). it is not possible for Y to be positive or negative integer. but as others have already mentioned Y can be 0. so i feel like it should be " Y cannot be positive or negative integer" .

Experts, Please clarify.
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2010, 02:15
If XY is divisible by 4, which of the following must be true?

(A) If X is even then Y is odd --> X=4 Y =4 XY is disivible by 4, X is even and Y is not odd--> Eliminate
B) If X=2^1/2 then Y is not a positive integer --> keep
(C) If X is 0 then X + Y is not 0 --> X = 0 and Y =0 , then XY divisible by 4 --> eliminate
(D) X^Y is even --> X=3, Y = 4 then XY is divisible by 4 and X^Y=81 even--> eliminate
(E) X/Y is not an integer.--> X=4 and Y=4 then X/Y=1--> eliminate

Hence can only be B by elimination. Prove that B is true:

if X=2^1/2 there is no integer such as XY is divisible by 4 except 0. In fact Y needs to be divisible by 4 but XY divided by 4 will have a reminder as X = 2^1/2 Hence saying Y is not a positive integer is correct as 0 is the only solution. Please correct me if I am wrong
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Re: m08-q26 [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2010, 04:07
I do not understand the logic here..

If XY has to be zero to be right answer, Why option C is not correct?

If X = 0 then XY= 0, So devisible by 4
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