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Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 13 Jan 2009, 12:02
It looks like this topic has started to get touched on in the GM thread but its something I've been thinking a bit about so I wanted to start a dedicated thread for it. How are the exit opportunities out of top IB/MC firms (bulge bracket or m/b/b and maybe booz)? Can they really slingshot your career as much as the firms would have us believe? Also how much flexibility is there in your exit options? For example: Are IBers pretty locked into the typical PE/HF, corp/biz development at F500 or corp finance at F500? Are consultants pretty much locked into strategy/gm at a F500? Or are the exit opps more broad then that? Is IB/MC a faster path to C level positions at F500? Do one of the two (IB or MC) have better/broader exit opps?
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 08:07
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I'll try to tackle this question.

As a former Wall St slave, I've seen many investment bank professionals jump from one job to another. Usually, the trend is like this....

1) Get a job with big name IB right out of college
2) Put in few years in - however, depending on your expertise/area and job market demand, many former colleagues left their respective positions even after just one year. (mainly due to headhunters calling from all over the place)
3) After few years, many return to bschool. Others jump to more lucrative positions at other firms. Many Wall St big name banks don't like newly hired employees from competitors. (i.e. - GS employee jumping to Morgan Stanley and vice versa - mainly due to culture clash) Most people choose hedge funds, and boutique firms after a stint at big banks. (easiest to get in and great bonus....sometimes less hours) PE and VC firms are little more difficult. One needs to have a fantastic network/contacts or resume. However, nothing is out of the question.
4) MC to IB/Wall St or Vice Versa - This switch is seen more frequently after bschool. Mainly because MBAs get recruited into direct training programs and that makes transition easier. However, IB/Wall St professionals usually jump at opportunities to open their own shop or any other option that will give them equity/capital. This is because many already devoted countless hours working like slaves. They want to cash out and run their own show. Many stars of IB usually take this road because due to their star status/reputation, they can find investors easier. For former MC's, some do enter Wall St/IB but many choose PE, VC, Start-ups and other consulting gigs. PEs and VCs actively recruit former big name MCs and offer more money. Many end up at D.C. lobbying gigs or start-ups because compensation can be anywhere in mid to upper six-figures to seven figures.

In conclusion, exit opportunities are usually unique, but in many ways abundant for former MC and IBers.
Of course the state of the economy affects the number of opportunities - but the opportunities are there.

Former IB/Wall St warriors often don't choose the corporate route. They have high expectation for compensation and etc. Also, many corporations prefer hiring accountants (many number crunchers on Wall St don't know how to close books every month etc - this task is usually reserved for back office operations ppl) or people out of their own finance development program.

Former MC's have more broad options in my opinion. Mainly because their critical thinking skills can be used in just about any industry. Also, once you go through few years at top consulting firms - you are specifically trained to think/work in certain ways. (although recently, there was a study of how former MC'ers make poor CEOs or top executives.....)

Important thing is to establish great contacts/networks as well as his/her reputation while slaving themselves in big firms.

Most current IB and MC'ers dream about their next career when they leave their current respective positions. It is important to have allies everywhere because that's where you usually find your next opportunity.
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 08:54
Great post BearStearner. +1
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 10:52
BearStearner wrote:
Former IB/Wall St warriors often don't choose the corporate route. They have high expectation for compensation and etc. Also, many corporations prefer hiring accountants (many number crunchers on Wall St don't know how to close books every month etc - this task is usually reserved for back office operations ppl) or people out of their own finance development program.


BearStearner, I thought it was somewhat common for people to jump from IB to corporate finance roles simply to increase quality of life. Also, I would imagine that their skills would be useful in an M&A advisory role within a corporation (as opposed to "closing books every month"). Is this not true?
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 11:00
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BearStearner, I thought it was somewhat common for people to jump from IB to corporate finance roles simply to increase quality of life. Also, I would imagine that their skills would be useful in an M&A advisory role within a corporation (as opposed to "closing books every month"). Is this not true?


Great question!
Very few companies have such thing as "M&A advisory role". Companies like IBM (because they acquire 10+ small companies every year) might acquire services of M&A specialty individuals and put them under their payroll.

Usually, it is more efficient to just hire M&A bankers and lawyers to tackle that issue. Many IB'ers make cold calls to "pitch" their latest M&A fantasies/ideas all the time. Companies don't get charged for these "pitch" meetings.

I don't want to be politically incorrect or cause uproar, but among my colleagues - usually women move on to corporate finance roles - usually financial planning & analysis - in order to achieve work/life balance after having kids.
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 12:04
Thanks for the input. I'm in the power/utilities industry, and the big utilities seem to have an internal M&A group. I imagine most big companies have a similar group. The group this guy is leading is an example:

http://www.duke-energy.com/about-us/lea ... -barry.asp

I think they are responsible for:

1. coming up with M&A ideas
2. evaluating/negotiating the stuff the IB's pitch

I'm just speculating though.
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 14:06
Bear, for somebody who is entering IB post-MBA (who had finance experience pre-MBA), will plenty of opportunities be around if he succeeds at one of the larger banks for a few years? I will have to depend on achieving star status, since I don't have the sparkly Ivy undergrad on my resume.
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 14:21
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Bear, for somebody who is entering IB post-MBA (who had finance experience pre-MBA), will plenty of opportunities be around if he succeeds at one of the larger banks for a few years? I will have to depend on achieving star status, since I don't have the sparkly Ivy undergrad on my resume.


Believe it or not, not everyone on Wall St has fancy undergrad degree. (Plus you will have Booth MBA - who's gonna question that?)

Taking traditional IB road will definitely help with your post-banker plans. However, Booth will open a lot of doors for you. Keep your mind open. You will have more options than just traditional big IBs.

To be honest, traditional IBs are weakening and consolidating right now. However, there will be no doubt that Wall St will re-invent/find the next "Big" thing and ride that to generate enormous revenue again in the near future. (I will bet my money against those nay-sayers) For example, easy tech IPOs were their revenue machine in the late 90's. Junk bonds were king in the 80's. Recently, subprime mortgage debt writing and securitizing....

Plenty of people come from various (non-finance) backgrounds pre-MBA. Not everyone can be a "star"... Even "stars" burn out and they get replaced by the next guy.

There are many ways to find success on Wall St. First find your passion and your niche (expertise). Look out for new opportunities and pitch your ideas. Take the initiative and become an asset to the company/team.
You got to work hard and play hard.

But never burn your bridges. Because your future friends, classmates, and co-workers will help you reach your goals.

Good luck.
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 15:16
Hey thanks for the great posts BearStearner.

How much harder is it to transition to buyside finance jobs like PE/HF or a big mutual fund company (like Fidelity) from MC then from IB. I have experience in finance (nowhere near IB but somewhat decent - I'm in business valuation) and I hope to have the CFA when I start school. Would that background, CFA, MBA and 2-3 years at MC be easy or hard to transition to the buyside? I know IB is by far the more typical route for this but MC just sounds more interesting to me and I like the idea that it generally has broader exit options (something I've heard a couple times).
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 15:26
Don't MCs handle M&A activities such as doing due diligence,providing advice on achieving synergies after an acquistion?
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 16:13
BearStearner wrote:
MeddlingKid wrote:
Bear, for somebody who is entering IB post-MBA (who had finance experience pre-MBA), will plenty of opportunities be around if he succeeds at one of the larger banks for a few years? I will have to depend on achieving star status, since I don't have the sparkly Ivy undergrad on my resume.


Believe it or not, not everyone on Wall St has fancy undergrad degree. (Plus you will have Booth MBA - who's gonna question that?)

Taking traditional IB road will definitely help with your post-banker plans. However, Booth will open a lot of doors for you. Keep your mind open. You will have more options than just traditional big IBs.

To be honest, traditional IBs are weakening and consolidating right now. However, there will be no doubt that Wall St will re-invent/find the next "Big" thing and ride that to generate enormous revenue again in the near future. (I will bet my money against those nay-sayers) For example, easy tech IPOs were their revenue machine in the late 90's. Junk bonds were king in the 80's. Recently, subprime mortgage debt writing and securitizing....

Plenty of people come from various (non-finance) backgrounds pre-MBA. Not everyone can be a "star"... Even "stars" burn out and they get replaced by the next guy.

There are many ways to find success on Wall St. First find your passion and your niche (expertise). Look out for new opportunities and pitch your ideas. Take the initiative and become an asset to the company/team.
You got to work hard and play hard.

But never burn your bridges. Because your future friends, classmates, and co-workers will help you reach your goals.

Good luck.


Thank you for the insightful response. +1 to you
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 16:35
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fall09 wrote:
Don't MCs handle M&A activities such as doing due diligence,providing advice on achieving synergies after an acquistion?


You are absolutely right Fall09. Many MCs look at a client's business as an integrated, cohesive whole. Mcs helps clients find new markets to generate revenue, make more of it faster, and sustain its growth longer. Big MCs help make the big decisions such as strategy, organization/restructuring, operations management, technology integration, and mergers & acquisitions.
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2009, 17:01
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Hey thanks for the great posts BearStearner.

How much harder is it to transition to buyside finance jobs like PE/HF or a big mutual fund company (like Fidelity) from MC then from IB. I have experience in finance (nowhere near IB but somewhat decent - I'm in business valuation) and I hope to have the CFA when I start school. Would that background, CFA, MBA and 2-3 years at MC be easy or hard to transition to the buyside? I know IB is by far the more typical route for this but MC just sounds more interesting to me and I like the idea that it generally has broader exit options (something I've heard a couple times).


Hi IHateTheGMAT. Your question is unique and I am glad you are willing to take non-traditional path in order to achieve your dreams. As you may already know, there is no such thing as blueprint to success. Everyone gets to the top of their game in their own way. My advice - follow your heart and dreams and establish your own legacy and roadmap to success.

Personally, I don't think I've met anyone that went from MC to big mutual fund management. However, PE/HF to mutual fund path is very do-able.

If I was in your position I would do the following:

1) Tuck is an amazing program. Congrats. Make sure you have yourself a fantastic 2 years and leverage all of Tuck's assets (name brand, alumni network, ivy status, career services etc) as much as possible. After all, Tuck education isn't cheap.
2) Go interview with all the MC firms that interest you as well as finance firms such as PE/HF/IB/VC etc. If you do go down the MC path, look for big MC firms with long history of generating world class leaders. Bain & Company is one firm that comes to mind right away.

Bain & Company's former employees currently in finance side includes:
- Tony Tamer (Partner - H.I.G. Capital http://www.higcapital.com/)
- Peter Tornquist (MD - CVC Capital Partners http://www.cvc.com/Content/EN/General/Home.aspx)
- Nick Prettejohn (CEO - Prudential PLC http://www.prudential.co.uk/)
- Vivek Paul (Partner - TPG http://www.texaspacificgroup.com/)
- Larry Orr (Partner Trinity Ventures http://www.trinityventures.com/)
- Jane Mendillo (President & CEO Harvard Management http://www.hmc.harvard.edu/)
- Eric Kriss (Co-founder - Bain Capital http://www.baincapital.com/)
- Joshua Bekenstein (Partner - Bain Capital)
- Anne Glover (co-founder - Amadeus Capital Partners http://www.amadeuscapital.com/about.php)
- Pete Dawkins (CEO - Primerica Financial Services http://www.primerica.com/public/)
- Jesse Rogers, David Dominik (MD - Golden Gate Capital http://www.goldengatecap.com/)
- Tom Darden (CEO - Cherokee Investment http://www.cherokeefund.com/)
- Gary Crittenden — (CFO - Citigroup, Inc and formerly of American Express)
- Kenneth Chenault — (CEO - American Express)
- Paul Achleitner — (CFO - Allianz http://www.allianz.com/en/index.html)

As you can see, tons of former MCs went to finance side and succeeded. Opportunities are endless. Everything is up to you now. Good luck.
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 15 Jan 2009, 12:03
Thanks BearStearner! Added kudos to all your posts, you were really helpful in this thread. I noticed we applied to some similar schools, feel free to PM me if you have any questions on schools/interviews/apps etc.
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 16 Jan 2009, 13:04
Good stuff bearstearner! Thanks :)
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 16 Jan 2009, 13:35
Very insighful bearstearner.
Thank you.
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 21 May 2010, 20:20
From the IB side, do you think that equity research or corporate finance (banking) has better chances of getting into hedge funds? Working for an HF is my ultimate goal, and I know that probably going to an IB firm post-MBA is my best feeder option, but from the IB house what do you think is the best stepping stone to HF in your opinion?
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2011, 19:54
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Re: Exit Opps - IB and MC [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2011, 19:55
Very interesting information and anecdotes
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