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# 2008 Zero admits - Where are they now ??

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Hi All,

Last year I started a thread called the 2008 zero admits club. I thought that many of the 2008 zero admits club might have been luckier this year. So, for the benefit of future members, and to encourage those who are finding those admits tough to come by this year, I have decided to start this new thread that goes through successes of this year from folks who didn't have any admits in 2008.

Last year - Schools applied to 5 , results 3 interviews 2 WLs 5 dings

Here's my debrief : gmat-club-opens-account-for-70065.html#p516870

Heres the 2008 zero admits thread for reference : the-2008-zero-admits-club-62142.html#p452356 Most of the members had a 700+ gmat with several 750+ gmat scores in the mix.

Members of this exclusive club (with admits to schools this year) from last year were :
svrider - Fuqua, Anderson, Johnson
yellowjacket - Kellogg
ryguy904 - Cornell, Ross, Darden
jerz - Kellogg, Duke
spideyeclipse27 - Duke, Cornell + some advice from spidey can be found here : indian-admits-2009-keep-all-desi-discussions-here-74043-40.html#p553947
filmcity - Tuck + Some advice from filmcity can be found here : indian-admits-2009-keep-all-desi-discussions-here-74043-40.html#p553961
max125 - ESMT with $$zmfatla - Ross poochandi sangoman adcxaway tsaditya mbagal1 pandeyrav irishspring Columbia08 luckytown2010 vchhaochharia parsifal rsp33 bichishort gmat_march Strategery I know that some folks like buffdaddy, yellowjacket, spideyeclipse27 and rguy904 have already done spectacularly this year - so I'd love to hear a full debrief on how they converted that failure last year into sweet success this year. Current Student Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 416 Schools: Kellogg Class of 2011 Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 42 [13] , given: 1 Re: 2008 Zero admits - Where are they now ?? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 17 May 2009, 06:15 13 This post received KUDOS Wow, have I been procrastinating posting on this thread. It's amazing how well I can procrastinate when I really put my mind to it. I graduated from college (engineering) in 2005 and started working at a BB in a technology role (Yes - I do fall into the dreaded Indian/IT pool). Sometime around 2007, I decided that I want to go for my MBA and started studying for my GMAT. I got a pretty good score on my first attempt in April 2007. At this time made my first mistake in assuming that most of my job was done getting a good GMAT score. (Mistake #1) In hindsight, after completing my GMAT, I should've spent time researching schools, thinking about essays etc. like many people on here are doing. However, I did not do any of that. I decided to apply to 2 schools based on the rankings and prestige (S/W/Chi). Now, that I've gone through this process over 2 years, I can't believe how naive I was in assuming that I'll get into these schools based only on a good GMAT score and decent essays. I did not make any effort to research these programs or any others or reach out to any current students at these schools. I barely even leveraged my own network much less reach out to others (Mistake #2) I applied to S/W in round 1. Got an interview at W, nothing at S and got rejected at both. Chi was my round 2 school and I thought I did a decent job on those essays. After my interview, I was WLed. This was when I finally started doing what I should have a long time ago. Firstly, I discovered this forum, which as all of you know is invaluable during the MBA application process. I started reaching out to current students at Chi, understand the culture and visited the school. I'm sure all of you have heard this before, but it deserves to be repeated: If you can visit schools (no money/time constraints), you MUST visit them. It will show you first-hand whether that school is for you, how you would fit in and will also provide you the opportunity to better explain the "why school X" question in apps. While I did not make it off the WL, it was definitely a great thing to happen because it made me realize all the mistakes I had made and how to go about correcting them. First up, I decided to evaluate my list of schools. I had not given any thought to school selection last year because I did not understand the importance of fit. I visited about 15 schools (H/MIT/Chi/K/Ross/W/Columbia/NYU/Yale/S/Haas/Cornell/Tuck/Darden), talked to current students and leveraged my network. Finally, I brought the list down to 7 schools - 3 R1 (Chi, K, Tuck), 3 R2 (Ross/Yale/Cornell) and Columbia RD. Why did I finally decide on this list? Fit. Make sure you know why you are applying to the schools you apply to. This is why school visits are so important. You can only know so much from websites and second-hand information. Secondly, I decided to evaluate myself and last year's application. I felt I knew some areas where I had gone wrong in my application (didn't do anything to differentiate myself, underplayed some of my unique ECs). I reached out to people through these forums and people I had met during visits. I sent them my essays from last year to confirm whether these were the only deficiencies in my application or were there other things I hadn't picked up myself. I asked them for suggestions about how to improve my profile, what else I should include etc. Look at your previous application critically to figure out where you fell short. As buffdaddy said, do not hesitate to ask other applicants/students for help. They've been through or are going through the same process and will be able to provide you with constructive feedback. I started working on my apps much earlier than I had last year - around July/August or so (right when I got the ding from Chi). I decided to start writing my Why MBA essay from scratch. I realized that last year there was nothing in my essays that was me. I had written a cookie-cutter MBA essay that was probably no different from what anyone else would have written. I decided to inject some of myself into it - Make it more interesting than I started working at company X, worked on the project Y, achieved ABC, got promoted blah blah blah... Once I was happy with this essay, I moved on to specific school applications. I did use some stories from last year, but went into more details to explain why that story/example was important to me. After going through multiple iterations, I sent out my essays to about 3 people to get their inputs on it and continued making changes as necessary. Start working on your apps as early as possible. It'll give you more time at the end to polish everything and get feedback. Another mistake I made last year was that I had no discussions with my recommenders. I had detailed discussions with them this year and used the information in the GC wiki to provide them a framework about what to include in my recommendation. I provided them with a document in which I included certain stories/achievements which I wanted them to talk about in my recommendation. I made sure to add some stuff in here which I knew I would not be able to include in my app, but which would be important to show the adcom. I am not sure how much of a difference this made, but I am sure it didn't hurt and probably allowed me to show a well-rounded profile. So make sure you have a discussion with your recommenders and know what you want them to include in the recommendation. Also, I got one new recommendation and one from my manager who was also my recommenders last year. Lastly, while I had some good ECs (sports, teaching), I realized that I did not have much leadership experience to show in this. I got on the board of one of the organizations that I was volunteering with to show experiences beyond just being involved. I also took a leadership role in the alumni association of my undergrad. While I had some good ECs, I realized that I had not shown any initiative/leadership outside of work. In addition to rounding out my profile, it also provided me with better examples to use in essays and interviews. If you can try to get additional responsibilities both at work and in ECs. I hope this information is helpful to anyone who is reapplying next year. Let me know if you have any other questions. I'm sure you guys learnt a lot this application season that you didn't know last year and that information will allow you to be better placed than other applicants. Good luck with the applications! VP Joined: 09 Dec 2008 Posts: 1221 Schools: Kellogg Class of 2011 Followers: 21 Kudos [?]: 242 [4] , given: 17 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 15 Apr 2009, 05:11 4 This post received KUDOS I'm not an official member of the 2008 zero admits club since I didn't find GMATclub until last December, but I also was an applicant last year and went 0 for 3. Last year I applied to Booth, HBS and Stanford, and got 0 admits. This year I applied to 5 schools (Kellogg, Duke, Booth, HBS, Columbia), with 2 admits (Kellogg and Duke), 2 dings (Booth and HBS) and withdrew from CBS before the RD review period started. I think there were a few things that helped me be a lot more successful this year than last: 1) Choice of schools. I completely underestimated last year the importance of fit. I applied to HBS, Stanford and Booth primarily because of their ranking and reputation, then tried to back into why those schools were good matches with me and my career goals. Obviously it didn't work. This year, I spent a lot more time researching schools and thinking about which schools were the best match for my career goals. I also paid a lot more attention to culture, and thought about which school cultures fit best with my personality. I think that this year, the schools I applied to were a much better fit. 2) Better essays. After decisions were released last year I showed my essays to pretty much anyone willing to give me feedback on them - a much bigger group than the reviewers I used. A lot of the feedback came back that my essays were not specific enough..they just barely scratched the surface of what my goals were, why I wanted an MBA, and what I had accomplished at work. In short, they were kind of bland and didn't really paint a dynamic picture of me. In the time I had before this year's application season, I spent a lot of time thinking through the deeper why's and how's of my career goals, why I wanted the MBA and why I specifically wanted each school I was applying to. This year, I was able to be a lot more detailed in my essays, to provide that next deeper layer of the onion, and I think this had a great impact on my applications this year. 3) New work & EC experience. In the year between applications, I also took on a lot more project leader roles at work and in one of my extracurricular activities. There were 3 projects in particular that were pretty high profile, and had easily quantifiable benefits as outcomes. This also helped me in writing better essays and gave me better examples to use in interviews. I think those 3 things were the main difference makers. For this year's group of people with 0 admits, keep your heads up. I know in February last year, after having just gone 0 for 3, I was ready to give up on my MBA plans. I felt like a complete failure, and couldn't imagine going through the admissions process again. After a month or so, after the initial shock and hurt passed, I realized that an MBA still was the best path for me, and started thinking about how I would be more successful the next year. I'll also say that for me the feeling of the admissions process the second time through is different. The waiting certainly isn't any easier, but overall I felt a lot less stressed by the process this year than I was last year because I went into it knowing what to expect. _________________ Current Student Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 217 Location: Dallas Schools: Fuqua, Anderson, Johnson, Ross Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 67 [3] , given: 2 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Apr 2009, 21:02 3 This post received KUDOS I took on some additional project management tasks at work in addition to other tasks that would normally fall under the domain of program management. Same with XC - started working with a different org that was different from my past volunteering activities. It might seem contrived to do so, but I felt that I couldn't hurt my chances by doing something new. Basically, I had to convey that I wasn't a geek! Btw, I had feedback sessions with both Tuck and Ross. While Tuck was helpful, the feedback from Ross was generic and not more than 10 mins. Something to the effect of, "Well, you were good enough to be on the waitlist, but we had too many similar applicants...Sorry". With 5 weeks until the next R1 deadline, the only suggestion I could get was that if I felt it necessary, I should re-take the GMAT. Needless to say, with 6 apps in R1, I barely had time to write essays. Kudos or not, this thread is definitely good karma! Just received a tidy scholarship from Anderson earlier today. Director Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 758 Location: Oxford Schools: Oxford'10 Followers: 14 Kudos [?]: 200 [3] , given: 8 Re: 2008 Zero admits - Where are they now ?? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 12 May 2009, 09:24 3 This post received KUDOS Great initiative bsd, and sorry for not contributing earlier. I saw Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares - Revisited last night on TV (ok!, I was bored), so I suddenly remembered this post and thought I should contribute. I feel that my applications in '08 were like a tired looking crusty sandwich. This is my story of how I got voted in and thankfully kicked out of the Zero Admits Club. Last Year - My GMAT attempat '#1 (Jan'08) left me exhausted with a score of 690. I thought I'd apply for R3 Cambridge which was only 4 weeks after my GMAT. This was a very bad idea in hindsight, especially because I wrote that app entirely from my hotel room when I was on an overseas assignment. Result #1 (R3 '08 intake) -> Ding without interview. Lesson #1: never apply when you are not ready. This year - 3 Weeks after I got dinged from Cambridge, I decided to retake the GMAT and after 6 further weeks of prep i got a 710. I felt I never achieved my potential in the GMAT (don't we all feel the same? MSDAY?), but I decided to apply to 3 schools in R1. Cambridge, LBS and Oxford. Result #2 (R1a '09 intake): Waitlisted w/o interview at Cambridge. Lesson #2: The same school that dinged me in R3 only a few months ago had waitListed me. This meant that I had a much better application. However when I revisited my application, I didn't like how my goals portrayed me. They were too generic and also too "main stream". It seemed like I hadn't thought much about why i wanted an MBA. I also failed to connect the dots and link my goals to my background Result #3 R1 '09 intake): Dinged without interview from LBS. This ding really hurt. Lesson #3: My essays upon reflection showed me in very fragmented pieces. I portrayed myself as a guy who had A,B,C,D and did X,Y,Z. Too many arrows in my armory didn't allow me to really show off my skills. Instead I should have focused on 1 or 2 traits and drive home who I really am. Also I didn't sell myself enough. Due to some personal family related circumstances I put back my Oxford app to R2. I was again emotionally exhausted and my Oxford app was not ready. I applied what I had learned from lesson #1. I applied to Oxford in R2 with a much better app. The rest as they say is history. The things that helped me in my Oxford app. 1) Be in a happy state of mind. - It may sound silly, but my Oxford app was written in easily the most relaxing state of mind. My essay reviewers all complained that I wasn't working hard enough. I even took a 2 weeks vacation to Morocco a month before the due date. I only worked on my essays when I was feeling good about myself. 2) Don't undersell yourself - Feeling good about yourself means it's easier to write good stuff about yourself. It's that simple. My thoughts were better connected and there was an underlying positive vibe in my Oxford application and this continued at my interview. 3) Introspection coupled with ding analysis - My Oxford essay was based on deep introspection. After 3-4 months of just thinking about MBA application meant that I really knew my stories and I was able to connect those dots together in telling my story to the adcom. I also connected with several current and past students of LBS and sent them my essays for disection. This "ding-analysis" really helped as it pointed out the flaws in my essays. 4) Don't be scared to ask for help. I asked a number of people for help. These people had gone through the journey themselves and were largely happy to comment on my work. For those with Zero admits this year, don't worry, many of us have been where you are now. We have grown-up through the app-process and are definitely better for it. The MBA application process does teach you a thing or two that you can use in everyday life, whether in a work or non-work context. Goodluck, buff Current Student Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 217 Location: Dallas Schools: Fuqua, Anderson, Johnson, Ross Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 67 [2] , given: 2 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Apr 2009, 11:01 2 This post received KUDOS I never posted on the 2008 thread because I did have an admit but it wasn't to the program I really wanted. I applied to 6 schools in 2008 and got 3 interview invites resulting in 1 admit, 1 waitlist (7 months) and 4 dings. This year, I applied to 6 schools, all in Round 1. I was admitted to 3 (Duke, UCLA, Cornell AMBA) and got dinged at the rest(WL -> ding at Ross). I probably had as many strikes that an applicant could have to make his application tougher - Indian, Engineer, older candidate etc., so I will say this, do your research and target your schools wisely. Current Student Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 217 Location: Dallas Schools: Fuqua, Anderson, Johnson, Ross Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 67 [2] , given: 2 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Apr 2009, 16:11 2 This post received KUDOS bsd_lover wrote: Thanks for responding sv - what were the biggest changes that you made to your application this year in terms of your essays ? bsd, Short answer - not a whole lot but here's the long-winded story of my applications. My biggest change from last year was the selection of schools. I had some personal limitations and decided to apply to only mid-west and north-east schools, Darden being the lone exception. I got interview invites from both Cornell, Chicago and Darden besides self-initiated ones at Kellogg and Tuck. At Cornell, I had applied for the 2-year MBA program but was ultimately offered AMBA (reasons: advanced degree, goals that didn't require an internship). Also, Ross waitlisted me without interview. My biggest takeaway - you need something to differentiate yourself. You probably know that already This year, I applied to Anderson, Duke and Haas besides reapplying to Cornell, Tuck and Ross. In terms of essays, Anderson was probably the most personal ones I had written. Between the 6 applications last year, I probably wrote 12-15 different essays, but I had to start all over for Anderson. Same goes for Duke's "Leader of consequence" essay. Looking back, I think reading Montauk and a few other books had unconsciously molded my essays to the point where they turned out to be detached not reflecting what I really wanted to say. I didn't worry about sounding as polished this time. I also was fortunate to connect with an old college-mate who was a sounding board for the personal essays (Thanks to Yahoo for free transatlantic calls). For both Tuck and Ross, I completely rewrote many essays along with reapplicant ones. I thought that my Tuck ones were the best of the lot this year, especially the goals essay. Result: Ding. At Ross, I was inexplicably waitlisted after R1 and then dinged in R2. In short, the lessons I learnt from last season helped with the new schools but not the old ones. -SV Manager Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 228 Schools: Columbia Business School Class of 2012 Followers: 4 Kudos [?]: 26 [1] , given: 6 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Apr 2009, 08:14 1 This post received KUDOS This is a great initiative bsd, kudos! I've been feeling terrible lately with zero admits- 6 schools applied (all round 2), 4 interviews, 2 WLs, 0 admits I don't know if I should apply again next year or wait another year. Can't imagine going through the process again, especially getting recos and 4+ essays per school! It will be great if people like me can hear from some of the reapplicants in here, a great confidence booster. CEO Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 2989 Followers: 60 Kudos [?]: 531 [1] , given: 210 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Apr 2009, 16:34 1 This post received KUDOS Thats some superb insight sv - and future applicants will find this advise incredibly useful. I find it interesting that you say that books such as Montauk actually took you away from what you were trying to say and kept you detached (I take it as a synonym to "impersonal"). This is identical to my own experience from last year - when my essays were too impersonal. Another question. Did you actually change your goals in your reapplication (or new) essays ? Or did you just rewrite the essays using the same goals just writing more persuasively ? svrider wrote: Looking back, I think reading Montauk and a few other books had unconsciously molded my essays to the point where they turned out to be detached not reflecting what I really wanted to say. I didn't worry about sounding as polished this time. I also was fortunate to connect with an old college-mate who was a sounding board for the personal essays (Thanks to Yahoo for free transatlantic calls). For both Tuck and Ross, I completely rewrote many essays along with reapplicant ones. I thought that my Tuck ones were the best of the lot this year, especially the goals essay. Result: Ding. At Ross, I was inexplicably waitlisted after R1 and then dinged in R2. In short, the lessons I learnt from last season helped with the new schools but not the old ones. -SV Current Student Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 217 Location: Dallas Schools: Fuqua, Anderson, Johnson, Ross Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 67 [1] , given: 2 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Apr 2009, 16:51 1 This post received KUDOS bsd_lover wrote: Thats some superb insight sv - and future applicants will find this advise incredibly useful. I find it interesting that you say that books such as Montauk actually took you away from what you were trying to say and kept you detached (I take it as a synonym to "impersonal"). This is identical to my own experience from last year - when my essays were too impersonal. Another question. Did you actually change your goals in your reapplication (or new) essays ? Or did you just rewrite the essays using the same goals just writing more persuasively ? I made the cardinal sin of writing what I thought the adcom wanted to hear. My goals were the same as was my career progress (obviously) and my motivation to pursue an MBA. If anything, I decided to not narrow down my specific LT goals but rather talk about the path where I was headed. In my reapplicant essays, I talked about how I had diversified my skill-set and taken some small steps towards my goals. This especially matters if you have worked too long in one company/functional area as I did. Current Student Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 416 Schools: Kellogg Class of 2011 Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 42 [1] , given: 1 Re: 2008 Zero admits - Where are they now ?? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 19 Apr 2009, 17:05 1 This post received KUDOS This is a great idea bsd. It's good to see everyone from last year do well and get into some great schools in a very competitive year. I'll put a detailed debrief on here in the next day or 2. But, to anyone who's discouraged about getting dinged/WLed this year, I hope you take some time and re-evaluate your needs for an MBA. I know how many of you may feel that you can't go through another application season again, but if you feel an MBA is necessary for you, you should definitely apply again. In fact, if I hadn't learnt a lot of the stuff I did last year, I am pretty sure I wouldn't have been accepted to Kellogg. So, you will definitely be much better placed next year than you were this year. Good luck! Current Student Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 416 Schools: Kellogg Class of 2011 Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 42 [1] , given: 1 Re: 2008 Zero admits - Where are they now ?? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 17 May 2009, 06:32 1 This post received KUDOS Also, I encourage all reapplicants to read Rhyme's post to understand what I said about getting additional responsibilities at work and in ECs: calling-chicago-gsb-applicants-48955-2660.html#p494426 CEO Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 2989 Followers: 60 Kudos [?]: 531 [1] , given: 210 Re: 2008 Zero admits - Where are they now ?? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 18 May 2009, 06:44 1 This post received KUDOS Brilliant work yellowjacket !!!! +1 pm4553 - that is a good question. What exactly is "fit" and how does one define and determine it (esp without even visiting the school)? You can gather a little from the raw student body numbers - average age / WE / incoming industries / incoming nationalities should give an indication of the folks' basic profile. You may also catch up with alumni in your home location. Usually alums are more than happy to have a chat and describe their school in good detail and I've found their insights the most valuable; they've been there and done that. Alums also have the added advantage of being from your country so knowing the cultural differences that they might have experienced at the program (and at the target school's country) But frankly, because most top schools tend to have incredibly diverse student bodies, chances are that you will end up meeting "your type" of people at most of these schools. So don't ignore researching your aims fit before researching your personality fit. pm4553 wrote: Thanks yellowjacket! for sharing your story. In general, everybody talks about fit, which is very important IMHO. However, what about international student who cannot travel (various constraints) to understand if X school is a fit? Reaching out, research etc can be done using the schools website, most of the information is available. I have a big list of schools, which I'd like to apply. I'd like to narrow down the schools, but is there a way I can work on the "fit"? The raw data is available, however, I feel its not enough. Current Student Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 416 Schools: Kellogg Class of 2011 Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 42 [1] , given: 1 Re: 2008 Zero admits - Where are they now ?? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 18 May 2009, 08:19 1 This post received KUDOS I think there are other factors that you can use to filter your list down before assessing fit. I think first of all you should narrow down your list of schools based on career goals and how goals tie in with each school. The first line of attack is definitely websites and your own personal network. Talk to people you know in your target industry to understand how your list of schools is percieved in the eyes of recruiters. After that, reach out to people in specific clubs you are/would be interested in (preferably both career and activities). Once you go to school, chances are they will probably be the sort of people you will be interacting with the most. In addition to that, alumni are also a very valuable resource about the school. Personally, I preferred talking to curret students over alums since current students know more about the current situation in each school than someone who graduated 5 years ago. I would definitely encourage you to talk to more young alumni than people who graduated a while back. Lastly, I'm not sure where you're located, but you should definitely try to go to as many information sessions for colleges that you are interested in. While most of it is a PR exercise, you get a chance to meet a large number of alums and chances are that some of them are probably in your target industry so you'll get a more targeted perspective from them. pm4553 wrote: Thanks yellowjacket! for sharing your story. In general, everybody talks about fit, which is very important IMHO. However, what about international student who cannot travel (various constraints) to understand if X school is a fit? Reaching out, research etc can be done using the schools website, most of the information is available. I have a big list of schools, which I'd like to apply. I'd like to narrow down the schools, but is there a way I can work on the "fit"? The raw data is available, however, I feel its not enough. Director Joined: 27 Jun 2008 Posts: 546 WE 1: Investment Banking - 6yrs Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 55 [1] , given: 92 Re: 2008 Zero admits - Where are they now ?? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 18 May 2009, 10:22 1 This post received KUDOS If you were to meet with an Alumni, what would you try to find out? I've listed a few : * which schools did he/she apply to. why did he/she choose X over Y,Z etc.? * what the biggest take away? * something unique about school X? * any classes or professors which he/she liked? * what clubs were he/she in? * favourite subject & why? * basic profile - prior to MBA? (not sure if this is required but good to know) Your views? CEO Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 2989 Followers: 60 Kudos [?]: 531 [1] , given: 210 Re: 2008 Zero admits - Where are they now ?? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 19 May 2009, 04:32 1 This post received KUDOS I always try to find out the alum's post MBA career trajectory to get me a sense of how the MBA might have helped this person (subconsciously reassuring me that this school is right for me ). Of course that means that I do try to find the basic profile prior to the MBA as well. Other things you might want to consider are : - How long did it take you (and others that you know) to pay off the loan - How did you find your post MBA job - What are some interesting career switches (in industry xyz) that you witnessed Of course the type of questions you ask would depend on the type of rapport you establish with the alum. Good luck. pm4553 wrote: If you were to meet with an Alumni, what would you try to find out? I've listed a few : * which schools did he/she apply to. why did he/she choose X over Y,Z etc.? * what the biggest take away? * something unique about school X? * any classes or professors which he/she liked? * what clubs were he/she in? * favourite subject & why? * basic profile - prior to MBA? (not sure if this is required but good to know) Your views? GMAT Club Legend Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 4318 Location: Back in Chicago, IL Schools: Kellogg Alum: Class of 2010 Followers: 89 Kudos [?]: 746 [0], given: 5 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Apr 2009, 14:31 This is a great idea for a thread. Give a boost of confidence for this years zero admits. The list of where some of last years 0-admits got in is pretty impressive. _________________ Kellogg Class of 2010...still active and willing to help. However, I do not do profile reviews, don't offer predictions on chances and am far to busy to review essays, so save the energy of writing me a PM seeking help for these. If I don't respond to a PM that is not one of the previously mentioned trash can destined messages, please don't take it personally I get so many messages I have a hard to responding to most. The more interesting, compelling, or humorous you message the more likely I am to respond. GMAT Club Premium Membership - big benefits and savings CEO Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 2989 Followers: 60 Kudos [?]: 531 [0], given: 210 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Apr 2009, 15:21 Thanks for responding sv - what were the biggest changes that you made to your application this year in terms of your essays ? svrider wrote: I never posted on the 2008 thread because I did have an admit but it wasn't to the program I really wanted. I applied to 6 schools in 2008 and got 3 interview invites resulting in 1 admit, 1 waitlist (7 months) and 4 dings. This year, I applied to 6 schools, all in Round 1. I was admitted to 3 (Duke, UCLA, Cornell AMBA) and got dinged at the rest(WL -> ding at Ross). I probably had as many strikes that an applicant could have to make his application tougher - Indian, Engineer, older candidate etc., so I will say this, do your research and target your schools wisely. Senior Manager Joined: 30 Aug 2008 Posts: 251 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 6 [0], given: 0 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Apr 2009, 18:19 svrider wrote: In my reapplicant essays, I talked about how I had diversified my skill-set and taken some small steps towards my goals. This especially matters if you have worked too long in one company/functional area as I did. What did you do to diversify your skill set? CEO Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 2989 Followers: 60 Kudos [?]: 531 [0], given: 210 Re: 2008 Zero admits revisited [#permalink] ### Show Tags 15 Apr 2009, 03:20 Thats brilliant sv - you deserve all the kudos and the scholarship$$ that you get.

Still waiting for others to share their experiences.

svrider wrote:
I took on some additional project management tasks at work in addition to other tasks that would normally fall under the domain of program management. Same with XC - started working with a different org that was different from my past volunteering activities. It might seem contrived to do so, but I felt that I couldn't hurt my chances by doing something new. Basically, I had to convey that I wasn't a geek!

Btw, I had feedback sessions with both Tuck and Ross. While Tuck was helpful, the feedback from Ross was generic and not more than 10 mins. Something to the effect of, "Well, you were good enough to be on the waitlist, but we had too many similar applicants...Sorry". With 5 weeks until the next R1 deadline, the only suggestion I could get was that if I felt it necessary, I should re-take the GMAT. Needless to say, with 6 apps in R1, I barely had time to write essays.

Kudos or not, this thread is definitely good karma! Just received a tidy scholarship from Anderson earlier today.

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