pelihu wrote:
I don't think it's BS that they work 80 to 100 hours a week. I used to work (as a lawyer) with I-Bankers and I billed 80+ all the time and I'm pretty sure that they worked harder that I did. I can tell you that an average schedule would be something like 9:30-9:30 six and a half days per week, with an average of 2 nights per week where you need to say until 2AM or later, and a few all-nighters per month.
I can tell you it was extremely rare to leave before 8PM. The reason is that we got car service (billed to the client of course) after 8. If you left before 8 you'd be on your own. There's no point in taking the subway when you can have a town car drive you right to your door. Depending on what stage the deal was at, it was perfectly normal for my Ibank counterpart to call my office at 1AM and expect me to be there to answer. Not uncommon at all.
Regarding sleeping under the desk, I never did that, but I know that many firms do have sleeping rooms and showers in site. We didn't have that where I worked in NY, but the firm did have a membership at a place called the Club Quarters. I can't really call it a hotel, it was a private membership club wor working people and all the attorneys were registered. If you worked really late and needed to catch a few hours of sleep but didn't have time to go home, you could just head around the corner and they would give you a room. I heard recently that they put one of these up in San Francisco - BAD SIGN!
Another reason was that food delivery people were not allowed into the lobby until 8PM. Before 8, you had to meet them on the loading dock, but after 8, there would be a gaggle of delivery people waiting to hand over food (billed to the clients of course). If you sit down to a meal billed to the client at 8:30, it's pretty bad form to leave immediately afterwards, so most people work another hour or two.
It was uncommon to leave early on Fridays. I remember this because I used to fly out a lot to meet friends in Las Vegas. The great thing is that you gain 3 hours on the flight out, but the earliest flight I could catch was 10PM so it would always be after midnight before I got to Vegas. It's not like when I worked in LA and could often cut out at 2-3PM after working a long week.
Regarding getting into the hot spots, I recall that too. When you work that hard, you think that you are entitled to have a life. Unfortunately, there is no way to plan ahead with that type of schedule, but if you happened to finish early at got out by 8PM (no dinner at your desk), you'd try to get out to a top restaurant or night spot. The problem, of course, is that you wouldn't have a reservation so you'd tip the doorman. $20 won't get you very far, $50 or $100 would get you into most places. The other thing is that night spots stay open really late in NY (and most lawyers and bankers didn't get out till late anyways), so it wouldn't be too unusual to get out at 11PM, head to a spot and stay out until 3-4AM. It was rough, but you get used to living on 5 hours of sleep.
I believe it is a function of NY as much as it of the industry. I think that you can average 2-3 hours less per day on the west coast. It's kind of an unspoken secret. If you work on the west coast, you're expected to start work at 9-9:30 but you can cut out just after your counterparts in NY call it a day, maybe 7:30 or so. You're also less likely to work on Saturdays (maybe 50%) and Sundays (maybe 10%). I know this is true of law firms; I'm pretty sure it is true for many Ibank positions. Of course, there are many Ibank positions that are only available in NY; and why not, the firms know that they will get 20 more hours of work per week if they base their staff in NY.
So, if your friend is in a hot sector like M&A, then it would be no surprise to me if he worked 80+ regularly.
Seriously, that's just a downright brutal lifestyle. Clearly many I-bankers would burn out by their mid 30s and/or fall into a jack and coke (the real stuff) routine. Most folks, no matter how driven, simply can't function on less than five hours of sleep day in and day out like that. Something eventually has to give...