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Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2009, 10:36
After agonizing about this quite a bit, I thought I'll make a pugh matrix. Here it is (reformatted from my excel sheet) ... maybe we could have a discussion going on the values on a scale of 1-10 on the different factors. I've provided a baseline ... we can add factors and also provide more details wherever I have '???' . I saw many people have asked the kellogg vs chicago question and this would help as a reference for future applicants as well

Factors

1. Network Strength
Info: How useful is the network from kellogg or chicago. Which one has a better or stronger alumni network
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ????

2. Strength in potential majors:
General Management
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ???
Strategy
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ???
Finance
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ???

3. Calibre of Professors
Info: How renowned are the professors, how much of an expert are they in their fields, how well known are their classes in terms of students being able to learn the topic being taught
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ????

4. Flexibility of the program - Part time
Info: Both C & K have part time evening and saturday programs. How easy is it to enroll in evening and take classes in saturday pgm and vice versa
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ????

5. Program Rigor
Info: How good is the learning experience, how rigorous and detailed is it, how practical is the knowledge imparted so you can apply this in real life after MBA
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ????

6. Effort Required
Info: How much do you need to spend your time slogging before exams
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ????

7. Career Center - Part time
Info: How much does the career center help part time students. Some info (after taking to both kellogg and Chicago PT students) - both require a letter from employer if they are to help you in placements, otherwise both offer tools and services for introspection, interviews etc
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ????

8. Extra courses after part time program
Info: students who finish their PT programs can take some more courses for free. Kellogg allows 4 free courses and Chicago allows 6 free courses.
Kellogg Score: 4
Chicago Score: 6
Comments: ????

9. Opportunities to make connections while doing PT program
Info: Does kellogg's group study focus inherently help students to know more people and hence have a better network ? Does chicago have other activities to compensate for this ? what opportunities are available for networking
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ????

10. Degree Cert for PT MBA
Info: Rumor is that kellogg MBA identifies that the degree awarded is a PT-MBA degree while chicago does not. Is this true ?
Kellogg Score: ???
Chicago Score: ???
Comments: ????

I think if we have this info ... each person can put in their own weights for each factor and get a total score for each of the schools.
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2009, 11:27
As much as I admire your initiative for putting this together, I would warn that no school can be boiled down to a matrix. Lets be honest here: Kellogg and Booth are both awesome schools (even though Kellogg is slightly more awesome :twisted: ). They have great profs, and no matter which school you go to you will have incredible career options. Yes, Booth has more of a reputation as a finance school and Kellogg as a marketing and GM school, but Kellogg is also strong in finance and plenty of Booth students go on to GM or marketing careers. In my view, the main difference between the two schools comes down to culture, and that's not something you'll be able to score in a matrix. If you're having trouble choosing which of the 2 to apply to, and don't want to apply to both, then my advice would be to visit the schools, talk to students and alumni. I think you'll quickly start to get a sense of the cultural differences between the schools. But I also think there will never be a clear answer as to which school is "better", just which is a better fit for each individual applicant.
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2009, 16:45
Jerz wrote:
As much as I admire your initiative for putting this together, I would warn that no school can be boiled down to a matrix. Lets be honest here: Kellogg and Booth are both awesome schools (even though Kellogg is slightly more awesome :twisted: ). They have great profs, and no matter which school you go to you will have incredible career options. Yes, Booth has more of a reputation as a finance school and Kellogg as a marketing and GM school, but Kellogg is also strong in finance and plenty of Booth students go on to GM or marketing careers. In my view, the main difference between the two schools comes down to culture, and that's not something you'll be able to score in a matrix. If you're having trouble choosing which of the 2 to apply to, and don't want to apply to both, then my advice would be to visit the schools, talk to students and alumni. I think you'll quickly start to get a sense of the cultural differences between the schools. But I also think there will never be a clear answer as to which school is "better", just which is a better fit for each individual applicant.


Thanks Jerz. Yeah ... I understand what you mean ... I've actually sat for classes in both chicago and kellogg ... and have'nt got a warm fuzzy yet.
My intent is to get some level formalism to my thinking ... for me putting something on paper and staring at it kinda helps me make up my mind ... in fact while looking at it I might really choose "my school" based on factors that are not really on paper. I think putting the things that I really care about on paper lets me get over those factors that are tangible and lets me think clearly about the intangibles ... really it is a sounding board for me to be able to make my decision ... i thought there might be some others who feel that way as well
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2009, 05:09
If you're interested in PT, I'd give the edge to Chicago. I'm not particularly biased toward either school, because I'm planning on applying to both for full-time. If I were faced with the fortunate dilemma of being accepted to both schools, that would be a difficult decision to make.

In my opinion, they're both really fantastic schools.
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2009, 10:10
I would probably apply to both and ask this question only if you had option to attend either school (waiting to see the application outcome will usually answer a question like this :-D ) but if you must pick one before applying to either school, I would recommend you to take a look at each school's academic bulletin with list of electives offered at each school. If one school's list of electives appeal more than the other, then go with that school.

Otherwise, you really can't go wrong with Booth or Kellogg.
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 22 Sep 2009, 20:40
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OK ... Applied to Kellogg ... got their response in 2days and I'm IN !!! .... I'm 99% sure I'll go with Kellogg (I probably won't apply to Chicago) and here are MY (only mine ... may not apply to others) reasons why

I wanted to just put this out there so that this would benefit the many others who go through this dilemma

1. Network Strength
Info: Both univs have their strengths. Based on my interaction with current students and alumni from Chicago, I see most of them focused on finance and hence more alumni would tend to be from the finance area as well. I am not really planing to change my career to do anything that finance majors typically do .. so I really seek a network in areas such as marketing or strategic mgt or GM or business dev .... and I feel kellogg is better in that regard due to the nature of the what kind of roles people take up after their MBA at kellogg

2. Strength in potential majors:
My answer is based on just looking at various rankings (USnews, BW, Financial Times etc and talking to both Kellogg alumni/students and Chicago alumni/students)
General Management
Kellogg > Chicago

Strategy
Kellogg > Chicago

Finance
Kellogg < Chicago

3. Calibre of Professors
Too close to call

4. Flexibility of the program - Part time
It is indeed true that Chicago's program is more flexible. Something that I like and will have to give up ...
Chicago have a more established saturday program and it is easier for evening students to take courses in the sat program ... also since the same courses tend to be offered both during evenings and sats by the same profs it is easier for students to take a course on a sat if they have to miss one of the weekday courses due to any work or personal commitments


5. Program Rigor
Depends on what you want. The impression I got was that Kellogg focuses more on applications and on the soft skills development whereas Chicago focuses a little more on theory and depth ...

Another side note: Chicago's tests are tougher than Kellogg's seems like getting a B in a Kellogg course is a given (unless you're super duper slacking ... whereas even above avg students sweat to get B or B+ in chicago ... might be something you want to consider if your company reimburses for a grade of B or above ...


6. Effort Required
Info: How much do you need to spend your time slogging before exams
Chicago students seem to spend a lot more time doing this than Kellogg students ...
Well ... I'm guessing I can use the extra time to participate in a club in kellogg and improve my network and other aspects ... but I can't really comment until I can actually achieve this ...


7. Career Center - Part time
After a lot of talking to different students ... seems like it is all the same w.r.t this ...

8. Extra courses after part time program
Chicago allows 3 extra free courses
Kellogg allows 4 extra free courses

9. Opportunities to make connections while doing PT program
Kellogg shows more promise due to the interactive nature .. but l'll reserve comment until I go through my first course there ... I've taken a course in Chicago through their graduate student at large program. So I think I can actually do a fair comparison.

10. Degree Cert for PT MBA
Info: Rumor is that kellogg MBA identifies that the degree awarded is a PT-MBA degree while chicago does not. Is this true ?
Strictly a rumor Confirmed with Kellogg students that the degree does not identify it as a part time MBA.
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 22 Sep 2009, 21:16
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prude_sb, congrats with your choice!

Being at Booth only 3 weeks, I really love it and each day is a fantastic day for me. Sorry, but I disagree with your approach to assess schools. They are both outstanding and they both give you a lot of opportunities to develop. It is up to you what way to go and how to leverage those opportunities. I think the main difference is culture. How do you fit the school values? It is important as each school is trying to create new classes in agreement with the values. Booth's emphasize on team + leadership + challenge fits the best for me. But again, it is not a set of inequalities.
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 22 Sep 2009, 22:24
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prude_sb, congrats with your choice!

Being at Booth only 3 weeks, I really love it and each day is a fantastic day for me. Sorry, but I disagree with your approach to assess schools. They are both outstanding and they both give you a lot of opportunities to develop. It is up to you what way to go and how to leverage those opportunities. I think the main difference is culture. How do you fit the school values? It is important as each school is trying to create new classes in agreement with the values. Booth's emphasize on team + leadership + challenge fits the best for me. But again, it is not a set of inequalities.


Thank you Walker ! Chicago is a great school and I absolutely loved the one course I actually took there, great people, awesome prof ... overall a wonderful experience.

In my opinion every person decides the school of their choice based on some set of criteria ... I have just tried to put down what I felt ... for others, it may be right it may be wrong ... to my knowledge there is really no right way and I intend this as information others can use ...

One of the problems I faced while looking for information between the schools was vague statements from people that "I just felt like I was a better fit at X" ... "Going to X felt like the right thing", "I want finance/mktg so X". To me, this did not give much information. Culture as you say is certainly a big part of one's decision ... how you see yourself fit with this helps you make your choice ... ultimately every person makes a choice based on a specific set of reasons... i have just tried to articulate mine ... my sensitivity level on some aspects may not be the same as others ... the aspects I look at may not be the same as what others might look at ... This may or may not be an approach that others find suitable ... in fact, this is only my way of capturing my thoughts ...
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2009, 04:15
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walker wrote:
prude_sb, congrats with your choice!

Being at Booth only 3 weeks, I really love it and each day is a fantastic day for me. Sorry, but I disagree with your approach to assess schools. They are both outstanding and they both give you a lot of opportunities to develop. It is up to you what way to go and how to leverage those opportunities. I think the main difference is culture. How do you fit the school values? It is important as each school is trying to create new classes in agreement with the values. Booth's emphasize on team + leadership + challenge fits the best for me. But again, it is not a set of inequalities.


Thank you Walker ! Chicago is a great school and I absolutely loved the one course I actually took there, great people, awesome prof ... overall a wonderful experience.

In my opinion every person decides the school of their choice based on some set of criteria ... I have just tried to put down what I felt ... for others, it may be right it may be wrong ... to my knowledge there is really no right way and I intend this as information others can use ...

One of the problems I faced while looking for information between the schools was vague statements from people that "I just felt like I was a better fit at X" ... "Going to X felt like the right thing", "I want finance/mktg so X". To me, this did not give much information. Culture as you say is certainly a big part of one's decision ... how you see yourself fit with this helps you make your choice ... ultimately every person makes a choice based on a specific set of reasons... i have just tried to articulate mine ... my sensitivity level on some aspects may not be the same as others ... the aspects I look at may not be the same as what others might look at ... This may or may not be an approach that others find suitable ... in fact, this is only my way of capturing my thoughts ...


Wait, you already found out you got in???? Did you apply this year for Fall 2010 matriculation?
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2009, 04:51
He applied to the part time MBA ACNGuy :)

Congrats!

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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2009, 04:54
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He applied to the part time MBA ACNGuy :)


I was going to say "I need to get my app in now!" Haha, well congrats on getting in!
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2009, 05:06
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OK ... Applied to Kellogg ... got their response in 2days and I'm IN !!! ....


Kellogg gives PT MBA decisions in 2 days??? :shock:
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2009, 05:52
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in fact, this is only my way of capturing my thoughts ...

You are right. It is very important that it is your decision and you are confident in it!
One more time, congrats on getting in!!!
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2009, 10:59
A quick thought about alumni network - I don't really know which school has a stronger one. I do know that it is very important to have people from your industry in your alumni network. My advice is to look which school sends more people to the industry that interests yuo - you will need those alumni later.
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2009, 17:53
Gil wrote:
A quick thought about alumni network - I don't really know which school has a stronger one. I do know that it is very important to have people from your industry in your alumni network. My advice is to look which school sends more people to the industry that interests yuo - you will need those alumni later.


Gil thats exactly what I meant ... i've edited my post to be more clear
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 04 Jan 2010, 01:39
Gil wrote:
A quick thought about alumni network - I don't really know which school has a stronger one. I do know that it is very important to have people from your industry in your alumni network. My advice is to look which school sends more people to the industry that interests yuo - you will need those alumni later.


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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2010, 17:25
Which school has the better facilities? It seems Gleacher center (Booth) is very high end while the Wieboldt Hall (Kellogg) seems like a 3 star hotel in comparison. But having a regular lunch at the Gleacher center may cost at least $20-$30 while at Wieboldt it will be more like $12. Can anyone confirm this?
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Re: Kellogg or Chicago [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2010, 08:38
After having visited Gleacher center and Wieboldt Hall a few times I would say the meals are comparably priced!


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Which school has the better facilities? It seems Gleacher center (Booth) is very high end while the Wieboldt Hall (Kellogg) seems like a 3 star hotel in comparison. But having a regular lunch at the Gleacher center may cost at least $20-$30 while at Wieboldt it will be more like $12. Can anyone confirm this?

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