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The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it is much more better, or at least as better, as any of the other laptops currently available in the market.

A) is much more better, or at least as better, as any
B) is much better, or at least as better, as any
C) is much better, or at least as better, than any
D) is much better than any
E) is more better than any

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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 23 Apr 2013, 21:54
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The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it is much more better, or at least as better, as any of the other laptops currently available in the market.

A) is much more better, or at least as better, as any
B) is much better, or at least as better, as any
C) is much better, or at least as better, than any
D) is much better than any
E) is more better than any

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Please explain :lol:


We can eliminate A and E because they use "more better".
"is much better, (...), as any" is wrong, the correct idiom is better than: out B.
We have left C and D. My pick is D. In C ",or at least as better," should have a "as" to complete the idiom "as better as".
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The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it is much more better, or at least as better, as any of the other laptops currently available in the market.

A) is much more better, or at least as better, as any
B) is much better, or at least as better, as any
C) is much better, or at least as better, than any
D) is much better than any
E) is more better than any

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Please explain :lol:


We can eliminate A and E because they use "more better".
"is much better, (...), as any" is wrong, the correct idiom is better than: out B.
We have left C and D. My pick is D. In C ",or at least as better," should have a "as" to complete the idiom "as better as".
Waiting for OA...


Good explanation here. I would only add that for C, the construction "as better as" would have to be "as good as". Really, if you wanted to fix C it would need to go as follows: is much better than, or at least as good as, any

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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 23 Apr 2013, 22:20
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The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it is much more better, or at least as better, as any of the other laptops currently available in the market.

A) is much more better, or at least as better, as any
B) is much better, or at least as better, as any
C) is much better, or at least as better, than any
D) is much better than any
E) is more better than any

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I picked D too. My 2 cents is:
A) is much more better, or at least as better, as any
B) is much better, or at least as better, as any
C) is much better, or at least as better, than any
D) is much better than any
E) is more better than any

The use of "much better than" is correct, "much" is intensifier.
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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2013, 14:55
OA is D,

But don't you think that D is changing the intended meaning of the sentence?
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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2013, 23:48
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OA is D,

But don't you think that D is changing the intended meaning of the sentence?


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Nope, D does not change the intended meaning, because the meaning of A is wrong. We can only say "X is as good as, or better than Y". We cannot say "X is MUCH better than Y, or as good as Y". "Much" is intensifier that normally stands alone.
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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2013, 02:05
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The simple way to solve this thread:The expression ‘as better as’ is awful and all those choices A, B and C that say that, befit to be kicked from a mile away.
The second point is that we are talking about quality, which is an abstract singular noun. So we cannot use more better.
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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 26 Apr 2013, 23:51
My two pennies worth..

A, B & C can be easily eliminated - "as better as" is the incorrect usage when comparing only two things, especially following "..much better, if not". Should be "as good as"

E can be eliminated because "more better" is the wrong because more and better are both comparatives. It can be plain simple "better" or "lot better", or "much better", or "considerably better"

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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2013, 12:50
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The simple way to solve this thread:The expression ‘as better as’ is awful and all those choices A, B and C that say that, befit to be kicked from a mile away.
The second point is that we are talking about quality, which is an abstract singular noun. So we cannot use more better.
So, we can be happy with D

hi daagh ,

my question is that whether in option D dont you think meaning is changed.
as per my understanding there is comparison between 2 things in which 1 thing is either much better or of the same quality of the other,whereas in the correct answer it is saying only much better.
please explain where i am wrong.

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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2013, 17:44
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Yes Shlesh; You are indeed right in re: the change of meaning. The text is distinctly changed from the OA. OA is only half the way jumping the well. But (to give a lame excuse), the intention is so badly expressed, that one likes to ignore it and go wih D as a matter of something that is better than nothing.
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A quick note on meaning ( as some have been hesitant to change the meaning of the original on this problem). Your job is to preserve the meaning of the original sentence, unless the meaning is flawed - then you have to fix the meaning flaws of the original sentence.

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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2013, 22:03
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A quick note on meaning ( as some have been hesitant to change the meaning of the original on this problem). Your job is to preserve the meaning of the original sentence, unless the meaning is flawed - then you have to fix the meaning flaws of the original sentence.

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hi KyleWiddison,

it means in this question the meaning is flawed,...if it is so please elaborate what is the actual meaning of the sentence.

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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2013, 22:04
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Yes Shlesh; You are indeed right in re: the change of meaning. The text is distinctly changed from the OA. OA is only half the way jumping the well. But (to give a lame excuse), the intention is so badly expressed, that one likes to ignore it and go wih D as a matter of something that is better than nothing.


HI daagh,

fully agreed and well understood your explanation....

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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2013, 22:17
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A quick note on meaning ( as some have been hesitant to change the meaning of the original on this problem). Your job is to preserve the meaning of the original sentence, unless the meaning is flawed - then you have to fix the meaning flaws of the original sentence.

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hi KyleWiddison,

it means in this question the meaning is flawed,...if it is so please elaborate what is the actual meaning of the sentence.

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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2013, 22:21
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shaileshmishra wrote:
KyleWiddison wrote:
A quick note on meaning ( as some have been hesitant to change the meaning of the original on this problem). Your job is to preserve the meaning of the original sentence, unless the meaning is flawed - then you have to fix the meaning flaws of the original sentence.

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hi KyleWiddison,

it means in this question the meaning is flawed,...if it is so please elaborate what is the actual meaning of the sentence.

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Are you asking about the actual intended meaning (revealed in the correct answer) or the flawed meaning of the original?

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Hi ,

if possible do explain both the flawed and intended meaning....and suggest where i am going wrong...

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The correct meaning states that users of the new Dell laptop find it to be much better than the competition. Very standard, clear comparison here. The flawed meaning incorrectly tries to combine a few of they standard comparisons. In this 'family' of comparisons you would have 'worse than', 'as good as', and 'better than'. These three options are mutually exclusive - you are either worse than, or as good as, or better than. The original tries to combine better than with as good as, something you shouldn't do, and the original even fails in this faulty combination by stating 'as better (as)'.

There could be a case when you could combine 2 of the comparisons - This home-made ice cream is as good as, if not better than, expensive store bought ice cream. In this case, the author isn't sure which of the two comparisons to choose because either could be correct. In the case of our 'Dell' sentence, however, the sentence states that the Dell computer is clearly 'much better' than any other, so there is not logical reason to include both comparisons.

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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2013, 23:09
KyleWiddison wrote:
The correct meaning states that users of the new Dell laptop find it to be much better than the competition. Very standard, clear comparison here. The flawed meaning incorrectly tries to combine a few of they standard comparisons. In this 'family' of comparisons you would have 'worse than', 'as good as', and 'better than'. These three options are mutually exclusive - you are either worse than, or as good as, or better than. The original tries to combine better than with as good as, something you shouldn't do, and the original even fails in this faulty combination by stating 'as better (as)'.

There could be a case when you could combine 2 of the comparisons - This home-made ice cream is as good as, if not better than, expensive store bought ice cream. In this case, the author isn't sure which of the two comparisons to choose because either could be correct. In the case of our 'Dell' sentence, however, the sentence states that the Dell computer is clearly 'much better' than any other, so there is not logical reason to include both comparisons.

Does that help?

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HI ,

thanks for the explanation...now it seems clear..but one more question will this concept is going to hold for all question of this type....?

well great explanation kyle.

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Yes, this logic will apply to other comparison questions where you are dealing with worse than/as good as/better than (also less than/as much as/more than).

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Re: The users of the new Dell Laptop claim that it [u]is much mo [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2013, 23:16
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Yes, this logic will apply to other comparison questions where you are dealing with worse than/as good as/better than (also less than/as much as/more than).

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