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Re: This Weeks MGMAT problem [#permalink]
my bad G, i made an error

Originally posted by Praetorian on 15 Dec 2003, 08:11.
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Re: This Weeks MGMAT problem [#permalink]
praetorian123 wrote:
Geethu wrote:
I am also getting C as answer.
But, I feel each mural will require same amount of paint. I did it in the following way.

Assume AB = a = XY root(pi)
Area of the square = a power 2 = (XY) power 2 * pi

Area of the circle = pi (r) power 2
= (XY) power 2 * pi

Both are equal. :?


Its not a square. analyze both statements again.


Where is it given in the question AB = AC ?
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praetorian123 wrote:
Geethu wrote:
I am also getting C as answer.
But, I feel each mural will require same amount of paint. I did it in the following way.
Assume AB = a = XY root(pi)
Area of the square = a power 2 = (XY) power 2 * pi
Area of the circle = pi (r) power 2
= (XY) power 2 * pi
Both are equal. :?

Its not a square. analyze both statements again.


Where is it given in the question AB = AC ?



you are right, its not given.

Originally posted by Praetorian on 15 Dec 2003, 09:08.
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From 2, can't we determine the areas of both objects in terms of AC?

We can indeed. I vote B.

The circle and the square are both ((AC)^2)/2
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From 2, can't we determine the areas of both objects in terms of AC?

We can indeed. I vote B.

The circle and the square are both ((AC)^2)/2


Stoofi,

You are assuming that the quadrilateral is sqare. That can not be said from 2nd statment alone. Try to draw a quadrilateral with equal diagonals but sucha that it is not square.
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You are assuming that the quadrilateral is sqare


Nope. I am assuming that that it's a parallelogram, or a rhombus, I think...

For which quadrilaterals does the area= D1*D2 *.5 work?
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You are assuming that the quadrilateral is sqare


Nope. I am assuming that that it's a parallelogram, or a rhombus, I think...

For which quadrilaterals does the area= D1*D2 *.5 work?


I believe this formula is for SQUARE only. Assume that x is the side of a square. Theb x^2 + x^2 = D1^2 => 2x^2 = D1^2 => x^2 = D1^2 / 2
=> x^2 = D1* D1 / 2 => Area = D1 * D2 * 0.5
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Yep. I'm wrong. That formula works for squares and rhombuses, but not for all rectangles.
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Re: This Weeks MGMAT problem [#permalink]
Based on all the discussion, is "C" the final answer?
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Re: This Weeks MGMAT problem [#permalink]
vote for C too.
from A: sides are equal. we don't know whether it is a sq. or a rhombus
from B: diagonals are equal. sq. or a rectangle.

combine A and B. it is a square.
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Re: This Weeks MGMAT problem [#permalink]
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vote for C too.
from A: sides are equal. we don't know whether it is a sq. or a rhombus
from B: diagonals are equal. sq. or a rectangle.

combine A and B. it is a square.


dj,

you are right . i am having a bad day.

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Originally posted by Praetorian on 15 Dec 2003, 12:32.
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dj wrote:
vote for C too.
from A: sides are equal. we don't know whether it is a sq. or a rhombus
from B: diagonals are equal. sq. or a rectangle.

combine A and B. it is a square.


you missed it too.
from 1 and 2, we get AB = AC ( both AB and AC are equal to sqrt(PI) *
XY and thus AB and AC equal to each other)
AB is the side of the QUAD and AC is the diagonal of the QUAD.
in a square, side is not equal to the diagonal.
So the QUAD cant be a square.

thanks
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I am not sayin' that side equals diagonal. but, when sides are equal and diagonals are equal, it has to be a square.
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Re: This Weeks MGMAT problem [#permalink]
My guess is D.

(1) If ABCD is a square then we have AreaOfSquare = AreaOfCircle. Same thing even if ABCD is a rhombus.
(2) AC = XY*sqrt(2PI)
AC┬▓ = 2PI(XY┬▓)
AC┬▓/2 = PI*XY┬▓
AreaOfSquare = AreaOfCircle
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Re: This Weeks MGMAT problem [#permalink]
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My guess is D.



Quote:
(1) If ABCD is a square then we have AreaOfSquare = AreaOfCircle. Same thing even if ABCD is a rhombus.


here you assume that the QUAD is a square. that not correct.

We must know either
1. that the diagonals are equal
2. the angles are 90.

as you say, it can be a rhombus too , then what? :?
A = 1/2 d1 d2
how you gonna find d1 d2?


Quote:
(2) AC = XY*sqrt(2PI)
AC┬▓ = 2PI(XY┬▓)
AC┬▓/2 = PI*XY┬▓
AreaOfSquare = AreaOfCircle


:? :?
again, you assume upfront that the QUAD is a square.
just because you get AC^2/2 , that does not mean that the QUAD is a square, does it?


Dj said it right.

from 1 and 2, the QUAD can only be a square.
ok...so we settled the shape issue.


We could stop right here..since we know the question can be answered..And we get C.

but just for giggles.

Now, the area of the QUAD is just AB^2 , which is just the area of a
square.
From 1, we have XY = AB / sqrt(PI)

So the area of circle = PI * AB^2 / PI = AB^2

voila, The answer is yes


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We could stop right here..since we know the question can be answered..And we get C.

Hey you guys can settle with any answer you want... your choice!
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praetorian123 wrote:
We could stop right here..since we know the question can be answered..And we get C.

Hey you guys can settle with any answer you want... your choice!


what do we have here... a stranded square or a rooted answer C ??



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