Last visit was: 25 Apr 2024, 23:30 It is currently 25 Apr 2024, 23:30

Close
GMAT Club Daily Prep
Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History
Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.
Close
Request Expert Reply
Confirm Cancel
SORT BY:
Date
User avatar
Intern
Intern
Joined: 07 Feb 2009
Posts: 12
Own Kudos [?]: 90 [15]
Given Kudos: 13
Send PM
Math Expert
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 92915
Own Kudos [?]: 619074 [3]
Given Kudos: 81595
Send PM
User avatar
Intern
Intern
Joined: 07 Feb 2009
Posts: 12
Own Kudos [?]: 90 [0]
Given Kudos: 13
Send PM
User avatar
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
Joined: 23 Apr 2010
Posts: 476
Own Kudos [?]: 352 [0]
Given Kudos: 7
Send PM
Re: Square Diagonal versus Perimeter [#permalink]
Could someone please explain to me the wording of the problem? I thought that the phrase:

Quote:
... by which the distance from A to C along a diagonal of square ABCD reduces ...


means 1.4a/2a = 70%

I am a little bit confused here. Thank you.
avatar
Manager
Manager
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Posts: 81
Own Kudos [?]: 218 [0]
Given Kudos: 7
Send PM
Re: Square Diagonal versus Perimeter [#permalink]
Please read the question carefully, the question says - "..the percent by which the distance from A to C along a diagonal of square ABCD reduces the distance from A to C around the edge of square ABCD?"

So its not asking what percent the diagonal is of the distance around the edge but rather the percent of the difference between the two distances.

Hope this was helpful.
User avatar
Manager
Manager
Joined: 01 Nov 2010
Posts: 81
Own Kudos [?]: 209 [0]
Given Kudos: 20
Location: Zürich, Switzerland
Send PM
Re: Square Diagonal versus Perimeter [#permalink]
Using formula for 45-45-90 triangle, diagonal = sqrt(2) of the each side.

Answer:- A
Veritas Prep Representative
Joined: 26 Jul 2010
Posts: 416
Own Kudos [?]: 2946 [0]
Given Kudos: 63
Send PM
Re: Square Diagonal versus Perimeter [#permalink]
Expert Reply
Great discussion, everyone - I just want to point out that (fittingly), gettinit gets it! One of the easiest things for the GMAT to do to make a pretty hard problem very hard is to bait you toward answering the wrong question. I've seen them do this a lot with Geometry problems that involve percents - there's a significant but subtle difference between:

Percent OF
and Percent GREATER THAN or LESS THAN

When you see a percentage problem, make sure you pause to answer the right question because pretty much any percent problem could be asked in either way.

For another example that also includes squares and diagonals, you may want to check out: https://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2010/11/gmat-challenge-question-the-squared-circle/
User avatar
Manager
Manager
Joined: 17 Sep 2010
Posts: 147
Own Kudos [?]: 23 [1]
Given Kudos: 33
Concentration: General Management, Finance
GPA: 3.59
WE:Corporate Finance (Entertainment and Sports)
Send PM
Re: Square Diagonal versus Perimeter [#permalink]
1
Kudos
You could use pythagorean theorem to solve this.

x^2+x^2=y^2

All sides of a square are equal, hence the two x^2. Plug in any number and solve.

vivaslluis wrote:
Hello,

I've seen the following example that I have doubts to solve:

Which of the following best approximates the percent by which the distance from A to C along a diagonal of square ABCD reduces the distance from A to C around the edge of square ABCD?
a. 30%
b. 43%
c. 45%
d. 50%
e. 70%

Thank you
Veritas Prep Representative
Joined: 26 Jul 2010
Posts: 416
Own Kudos [?]: 2946 [0]
Given Kudos: 63
Send PM
Re: Square Diagonal versus Perimeter [#permalink]
Expert Reply
Hey Trojan,

Great call on that - even if you have the x-x-x*sqrt 2 ratio memorized, I think it's important to know where it comes from. In the a^2 + b^2 = c^2 Pythagorean Theorem, if we know that a = b then it's really 2a^2 = c^2.

And deriving that for yourself once or twice means there's very little chance you ever forget it (and you know you can always go back and prove it if you do forget).

Thanks for bringing that up - I'm a huge fan of knowledge over memorization!
avatar
Manager
Manager
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Posts: 81
Own Kudos [?]: 218 [0]
Given Kudos: 7
Send PM
Re: Square Diagonal versus Perimeter [#permalink]
Brian great challenge question post -it fits this question perfectly!

VeritasPrepBrian wrote:
Great discussion, everyone - I just want to point out that (fittingly), gettinit gets it! One of the easiest things for the GMAT to do to make a pretty hard problem very hard is to bait you toward answering the wrong question. I've seen them do this a lot with Geometry problems that involve percents - there's a significant but subtle difference between:

Percent OF
and Percent GREATER THAN or LESS THAN

When you see a percentage problem, make sure you pause to answer the right question because pretty much any percent problem could be asked in either way.

For another example that also includes squares and diagonals, you may want to check out: https://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2010/11/gmat-challenge-question-the-squared-circle/
User avatar
Intern
Intern
Joined: 06 Dec 2012
Posts: 20
Own Kudos [?]: 210 [0]
Given Kudos: 18
Concentration: Finance, International Business
GMAT 1: 510 Q46 V21
GPA: 3.5
Send PM
Re: Square Diagonal versus Perimeter [#permalink]
Bunuel wrote:
vivaslluis wrote:
Hello,

I've seen the following example that I have doubts to solve:

Which of the following best approximates the percent by which the distance from A to C along a diagonal of square ABCD reduces the distance from A to C around the edge of square ABCD?
a. 30%
b. 43%
c. 45%
d. 50%
e. 70%

Thank you


Le the side of a square be \(a\).

Route from A to C along a diagonal AC is \(\sqrt{2}a\approx{1.4a}\);
Route from A to C around the edge ABC is \(2a\);

Difference is \(2a-1.4a=0.6a\) --> \(\frac{0.6a}{2a}=0.3=30%\).

Answer: A.




Hi ,
i am confused about the denominator in the equation.

if the equation is (2a-1.4a) then the denominator should be 1.4a ???
how it is 2a??? not geeting...
Math Expert
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 92915
Own Kudos [?]: 619074 [1]
Given Kudos: 81595
Send PM
Re: Square Diagonal versus Perimeter [#permalink]
1
Bookmarks
Expert Reply
sunny3011 wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
vivaslluis wrote:
Hello,

I've seen the following example that I have doubts to solve:

Which of the following best approximates the percent by which the distance from A to C along a diagonal of square ABCD reduces the distance from A to C around the edge of square ABCD?
a. 30%
b. 43%
c. 45%
d. 50%
e. 70%

Thank you


Le the side of a square be \(a\).

Route from A to C along a diagonal AC is \(\sqrt{2}a\approx{1.4a}\);
Route from A to C around the edge ABC is \(2a\);

Difference is \(2a-1.4a=0.6a\) --> \(\frac{0.6a}{2a}=0.3=30%\).

Answer: A.




Hi ,
i am confused about the denominator in the equation.

if the equation is (2a-1.4a) then the denominator should be 1.4a ???
how it is 2a??? not geeting...


We are comparing to the route from A to C around the edge, which is 2a, so 2a must be in the denominator.
Director
Director
Joined: 05 Mar 2015
Posts: 852
Own Kudos [?]: 861 [0]
Given Kudos: 45
Send PM
Re: Which of the following best approximates the percent by [#permalink]
vivaslluis wrote:
Which of the following best approximates the percent by which the distance from A to C along a diagonal of square ABCD reduces the distance from A to C around the edge of square ABCD?

A. 30%
B. 43%
C. 45%
D. 50%
E. 70%

let the sides be 2 units.
original distance=2+2=4units
changed distance=2sq.root2
%change=change dist.-original dist./original dist.
=(2sq.root2-4)/4==-.2955
reduced by ~30%
Ans A
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
Joined: 14 Dec 2017
Posts: 426
Own Kudos [?]: 459 [0]
Given Kudos: 173
Location: India
Send PM
Re: Which of the following best approximates the percent by [#permalink]
vivaslluis wrote:
Which of the following best approximates the percent by which the distance from A to C along a diagonal of square ABCD reduces the distance from A to C around the edge of square ABCD?

A. 30%
B. 43%
C. 45%
D. 50%
E. 70%



Let \(a\) be the length of the side of the square, hence the diagonal is \(\sqrt{2}a\) = \(1.4 a\)

Length along the edge of the square = \(2a\)

Hence the % by which the distance is reduced along the diagonal = \(\frac{(2a - 1.4a)}{2a}\) = \(\frac{0.7}{2}\) =~ \(0.3\) = 30%

Answer A.


Thanks,
GyM
User avatar
Non-Human User
Joined: 09 Sep 2013
Posts: 32679
Own Kudos [?]: 822 [0]
Given Kudos: 0
Send PM
Re: Which of the following best approximates the percent by [#permalink]
Hello from the GMAT Club BumpBot!

Thanks to another GMAT Club member, I have just discovered this valuable topic, yet it had no discussion for over a year. I am now bumping it up - doing my job. I think you may find it valuable (esp those replies with Kudos).

Want to see all other topics I dig out? Follow me (click follow button on profile). You will receive a summary of all topics I bump in your profile area as well as via email.
GMAT Club Bot
Re: Which of the following best approximates the percent by [#permalink]
Moderators:
Math Expert
92915 posts
Senior Moderator - Masters Forum
3137 posts

Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group | Emoji artwork provided by EmojiOne