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To whom it may concern,

I m not ashamed to declare that I m quite weak in verbal and as you all know without improving verbal we cannot score well on Gmat even if we get Q51. That's why I have created this thread to share verbal strategy.
I cannot let my dream go away just because I don't know basic grammar rules and cannot master reading skills.

I believe anyone can conquer gmat, anyone can get 750+ its all about fundamentals.
Some people are good at quant and some at verbal, and those lucky kids who are good at both they don't need much time to conquer Gmat. Ultimately we have to build strong fundamentals for either of them to get good score.
Some worked hard during high school and some like me have to do NOW. The reason why few of us score below 700 or 600 is lack of fundamentals and confidence. They ask for just simple english SC and reading skills with high school level quant. Can't we tackle that simple thing? Yes we can but we need to know where we stand and what we want and do the Gap analysis. Be honest with your preparation. Hard work done now will bring fruitful result later just like working out at gym.

One golden advice : Do not practice questions unless you have built strong base of fundamentals, that will be wastage of time and might affect confidence. If you don't believe me just go to "share my gmat experience " section and see how people have improved from even 400 to 700+.

I would like to invite all those who are weak in verbal to share their issues and those who are strong & can help us keep going.

I m coming to the point now.
Verbal has three parts SC, RC , CR.
As per experts SC is very scoring and very easy to improve if we learn the basic rules and practice.
But we cannot neglect the portion of CR and RC. If we can master reading text from the screen I m sure this will improve other two sections as well.

I have read Mgmat SC once though very quickly with no practice. I m going to read it again until I grasp it completely( With help from wren and martin grammar book). Side by side reading fiction books as suggested by BB will be part of my daily routine. Reading those books will not only improve RC skill but also SC section as well.We will get quite familiar with the sentence creation and our ear will detect 50% of the errors. This study of books should not cut the daily study schedule. I will be following 30-70 % rule for quant and verbal. 30% of the time will be spent on gmatclub forum posts and weekend club tests. 70% of the time for Manhattan SC book for SC and powerscore CR bible for CR. For verbal I will follow the slow down strategy given by many experts. In the beginning we should not look for solving the question in 2 minutes, we really cannot do and this will decrease the confidence and we will ruin our preparation.

As per the expert advice creating your notes is very important, if possible on paper. Make proper notes and please don't mind investing some time on it as it will bring fruitful results in future. Next day for 10-15 minutes review the notes and try to remember the things and mark those which are forgotten. Third day again review it and try to remember especially highlighted notes which was difficult to remember.

I m going to follow this strategy blindly and if any one want to join for the improvement of verbal , he is most welcome. I m going to follow manhattan SC and powerscore CR only for SC and CR section.
For RC: Fiction books + daily 1 RC passage.
I apologize for weak grammer and vocab used above.
I hope one day my debrief will have no Grammar mistake.

Suggestions and criticism are must. Please spare a minute for it.

PS: Everyone is different and we have to find our own shortcomings. Try to find it and give it a good fight and those who have similar issues like me can follow this. I m an Indian and ENGLISH is not my mother tongue.

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Wou!
I would like to highlight the importance of golden rule, I have commited this mistake during my prepartion, trying to solve difficult CR and RC questions in less than 2 minutes. DO NOT REPEAT MY MISTAKE! learn fundamentals first and than practice, practice, practice and practice!

joluwarrior wrote:
But 1 thing I will tell you mate --> in this entire phase, do not get bogged down. 17 to 44 is a smooth ride.....it's just that our minds have to be controlled to make that ride smooth...and that's what all of us are aiming at through this forum...It's better to think that "You Can Know" rather than disturbing thoughts that "You Don't Know".

bmillan01 wrote:
Also make sure to read every OG explanation, including why the other options are incorrect. This helped me quite a bit. But, as already mentioned, you first must build up your language skills before you tackle the problems.

PS: bmillan01 scored 730 Q48 V44

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Great initiative - I hope you keep up with the plans. There is a GMAT Calendar hanging around somewhere -take a look.
I would set 1 or 2 days as days off from GMAT to give you mental rest and also so that you would not feel guilty not to study.

Other than that, take one step at a time - get good in something and then move on instead of just moving on to move on. If you are not good/comfortable - go back.

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Hi,

Those who want to try online tests based on OG10, OG12 and other good verbal scources, then visit the following link:

http://www.litesee.com/gmat.htm

A great array of questions.
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It sounds like this group is pretty determined! But for those prospective examinees who struggle with verbal, I recommend (as always):

BOOKS:
1. Manhattan SC - Quite simply the best out there. Read this at least twice, preferably three times.
2 (a). Powerscore CR - Fantatstic product. Easy to read, informative, and extremely helpful.
2 (b). Powerscore LR - If you truly need to toughen yourself up, or simply enjoy pain, then opt for the LSAT LR guide instead.
3. Powerscore RC guide - Better than the Manhattan RC book. It contains over 100 RC questions and some practice exercises.
4. LSAT Superprep - This book has 100 RC questions and 150 LR questions. If you have time and need extra practice, then this is a decent source.

QUESTIONS:
1. OG Verbal
2. Brutal SC series
3. Manhattan online tests and questions banks
4. GMATClub forums

READING PRACTICE:
1. GMAT Fiction - Read at least 500 - 1000 pages worth. This should be seen as a nice way to wind down your day and still sharpen your RC and SC skills.
2. The Economist - Try to read an article every day. Very good practice for the GMAT and business school.

For Powerscore, make sure to pick only ONE guide: LR or CR. Studying both is not a wise investment of time, energy, or money. In my opinion, the CR guide should be enough. Also, GMATClub forums are a treasure trove of questions. Use this to your advantage!

My list may be unrealist in its entirety for some with hectic schedules, familial and job obligations, and so forth. Still, try to squeeze in as much as possible. For instance, avoid TV, and never go to the bathroom without a book in your hand to pass the time.

Good luck!
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I m in.

I am also working on my CR improvement by CR Bible and I am posting my learnings and steps to conquer CR topics step-by-step.

You can refer my link below and can add some more insights to solve CR questions.
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I must say a Great Post...Thanks Dude...I am In..
I have to score..and I will score..
I recently gave Gmat and score 640.(Q 50, V 27)..prepared for 1 months..daily 14-15 hrs...
and got lowest score in verbal in the main test itself...

Anyways...failure gives us learnings..and one more chance of improvement..

Again energised myself...and planning to target RC as my performance in RC was fluctuating.
Going to read books suggested by BB...

Plan is like read lots of stuff...and everyweekend..give one test..
Anyhow...somehow...manage office..and get atleast 3 hours of dedicated study..

Thanks Once Again Dude...
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I see it as a reasonable approach!
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ykaiim wrote:
gurpreetsingh,

Long time, no updates?
Well, I have started working on my plan to give GMAT on 24th June 2010.

I am working on Verbal (30 SC, 20 CR and 3 RC) and Maths(20) questions daily + 1 hr reading.

Got busy at work so couldn't spend much time here.

Currently I m revising powerscore CR and I m quite happy I have improved a lot.
I was practicing untimely on Kaplan book( 50 questions) and got accuracy around 75-80%.
I know its not at par but I was even below 50.

I m done with 50 questions of RC ( 50 questions not passages) from kaplan , and its quite fluctuating.
Side by side I m reading one Indian novel and once its done I will start again with SC Mgmat.

One very important thing which was told to me by Bb and even I have observed while revising Cr bible is, when we do the same thing again we are more likely to remember as well as able to implement on the questions. So for me the key to success is revision lol....

Though literary I m not successful but for me success is continuous improvement.
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Just want to know, how you study from the forum posts..Asked similar question my earlier post too.
Do you pick any question from SC forum and then read the solution to it? or you first try to solve it?

See I attempt the question from the all the 1000SC, Brutal SC and any question that is marked as tough, tricky or 700 plus Question in this forum and attempt first on my own and than compare it with the other users solution.

If I don't find the solution helpful on one forum, I try to search them on other forums and see there solution just for ur help
U can go to following site after attempting the 1000SC question
http://thousandsc.blogspot.com/
http://gmatsentencecorrection.blogspot.com

and see the solution from both
but do this only after you have completed og10,12 and verbal.

I hope this helps

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hey dude ... im with u .. lets rock and roll ... i guess i will also follow the same approach for verbal
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You already have done OG12 right so why not start with question that you did wrong since you got only 60% right.
you can pick up OG 10 as well attempt them and search for there solution if you are confused with the explanation given in OG itself.
you can pick Verbal O.G Review, 1000SC Questions and also Brutal SC questions which are already available here in the Gmat Club with solution.
It is upto you to decide what is best for you.....
Another thing if you want to search for any question, search that question in Google and you will get links related to the question for all the forums......

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I more thing you can do is Make a list which includes all the words that you think can create problem in sentence correction question For ex: the fact is ,being,have ,has ,had ,ing, that , will ,would , if , and so on whatever you remember and when you face a problem and that word to this list.
that will also help in pin pointing the area where the problem may appear...

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Hi amneetpadda,

Thanks for your detailed reply. I will try to do the wrong questions again.
Great tip of making list. Will follow that.

Just want to know, how you study from the forum posts..Asked similar question my earlier post too.
Do you pick any question from SC forum and then read the solution to it? or you first try to solve it?

Yes Pavle, I have used CR Bible and that has improved my accuracy n CR.
Thanks for all your support and suggestions.
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Hi all

Am new to this Forum.

I plan to take GMAT by this year end.

I was going through another forum where people were discussing about e-gmat,an online course on SC.

DOes anybody have any idea about this?

Few people were very happy with their online material.

According to them they were able to improve their performance in SC from 60% to 80+
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Hi anirudhsaraf7

I am no genius but i can advice you onething try to do OG12 and OG10 first for verbal and give GMAT Prep test.
and you may find your accuracy more than 80% in that case i don't think you will require any other course or material.

First Complete OG if you find that you are still not performing as you desire than you can think of going for other material.

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Have you tried 1000 SC, CR & RC? I think they have some great questions. If you have time to spare, try them.
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shilps wrote:
Thanks gurpreetsingh for creating this dedicated thread.

I am preparing for SC along with you guys. I tried a lot for RC but I do not think that RC can be improved beyond a certain limit. It all depends upon the passage you encounter.

I am going to start reading newspapers/books to improve RC.

Any recommendations for newspapers ?? specially for finance / worker/policies related passages.

here you go : improve-verbal-using-free-resources-101626.html

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Hello Friends,

I am done with OGs and Verbal Review for RC passages. Still I struggle few types of RC questions, specially inference/suggests questions.

I want to practice more questions, and I hope that it will increase my accuracy.
Please correct me if I am wrong and please suggest what should be solved for RC after OGs ?

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You just need to make sure that you're reading and absorbing the key content and message of the passage without wasting time on it too much. I've heard conflicting opinions, but I feel like the RC part is the one where you can actually get away with a lot of right answers without knowing too much of preparation as long as you ask yourself the following when you look at the passage:

1. What is the overall message?
2. What is the first para trying to convey? The second? The third?
3. What is the conclusion?

The third question is especially important in your case, since framing the conclusion is a crucial step in both CR and RC. And the key thing is not to frame your OWN conclusions, but to identify the conclusion laid out in the paragraph. The one common mistake a lot of people make is to make their own conclusions from what's given in the passage. Be warned that the conclusion stated in the passage might not be the most appropriate one, or it might be against your general knowledge of the subject matter, but for the GMAT you need to keep an open mind to everything that's said and treat it strictly as an academic passage.

As for the guide, you can find it in my signature.

I would also recommend looking at the RC Strategy Guide and Rhyme's Guide to Destroying RC (which I found amusing and useful at the same time)
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Log into MGMAT forum, find GMATPrep-Verbal question topics and smoke through all Ron's explanations.
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