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Legend has it that when the Mohawk Joseph Brnat was presented to George III in 1776, he proudly refused to kiss the king's hand, inasmuch as he regarded himself an ally, not a subject.

(A) as he regarded himself an ally, not
(B) that he regarded himself to be an ally rather than
(C) as he considered himself to be ally instead of
(D) that he considered himself to be ally instead of
(E) as he considered himself as an ally rather than
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 [#permalink] New post 01 Jul 2003, 22:54
One must regard oneself to be something (this is an idiom).
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 [#permalink] New post 01 Jul 2003, 23:02
but TO REGARD AS... is also correct

Moreover, C omits an article "a"
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 [#permalink] New post 02 Jul 2003, 06:40
JP wrote:
One must regard oneself to be something (this is an idiom).


Well, as far as i know, i havent come across "regarded to be" as a correct answer.

I know the idiom as "regarded as" and "consider + noun".

In this example above,

I selected "A", reason being, C sounded a little odd from "instead of" point of view. In GMAT SC, more than often i have found sentences with "instead of" wrong. "Rather than" or "not" is more preferred.

Since "rather than" options didnt sound good. I chose "A".

But on second look now, i do feel "C" can be the asnwer, since it satisfies the idiom "consider + noun".

Hope, my reasoning is correct.....
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 [#permalink] New post 02 Jul 2003, 20:38
Your reasoning is pretty good - but this question could not appear on a test because if (C) is correct, the test makers are in for a problem. Without "an" in front of ally, the sentence isn't right.
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 [#permalink] New post 02 Jul 2003, 21:33
So, in these conditions, A is the best one of the present.
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 [#permalink] New post 07 Jul 2003, 02:10
The correct idioms are:

1) consider X Y (I consider you a friend).
2) consider X as Y (I regard you as a friend)..

"To be" is extraneous in all usages.

Hence, the correct answer is "A".
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AkamaiBrah wrote:
The correct idioms are:

1) consider X Y (I consider you a friend).
2) consider X as Y (I regard you as a friend)..

"To be" is extraneous in all usages.

Hence, the correct answer is "A".



Kaplan says that to consider X as Y is redundant and so wrong.
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 [#permalink] New post 07 Jul 2003, 03:10
my bad. I meant to say "regard X as Y" (note my example uses "regard").
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 [#permalink] New post 07 Jul 2003, 19:36
AkamaiBrah wrote:
The correct idioms are:

1) consider X Y (I consider you a friend).
2) consider X as Y (I regard you as a friend)..

"To be" is extraneous in all usages.

Hence, the correct answer is "A".


If the correct idiom is "consider X as Y" (and I agree) then answer A can't be correct: "...he regarded himself an ally..."

What is the answer then???
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 [#permalink] New post 07 Jul 2003, 20:33
Consider X as Y is NOT correct.

The correct idioms are:

Consider X Y
Regard X as Y
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Jul 2003, 20:10
A. Inasmuch that is unidiomatic. So again, B & D are out. Further, the meaning of inasmuch as is Considering that / Seeing that/In like degree, repeating consider again is redundant. So C,D, E are out. This leaves us with A. Just observe the following few interesting things -
Consider +ing form ( = think seriously about/of),
Consider + object (+ as) (= think of somebody or something as…), Consider + object (+ to be ) (=have the opinion that somebody or something is …).

So if we try to rephrase C, & D, they’ll look like – Considering that (= inasmuch as ) he have opinion that himself is ally instead of - which sound awkward. Now look at E, - Considering that he thinks of himself as an ally …which is also awkward. So A is the best answer.

So key here is to identify "Inasmuch as" and unidiomatic "Inasmuch that".

Of course, as pointed out C & D has a problem of missing "an".

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 [#permalink] New post 17 Jul 2003, 23:28
After looking at the this with fresh eyes, I think it is C, regardless of the missing "an".

A) is unidiomatic "regard X Y" is wrong
B) & D) can't have "isasmuch that"
E) "consider X as Y" is unidiomatic

In C), while "consider X Y" is preferred to "consider X to be Y", the latter is not "wrong." In addition, in some cases you can skip the article, e.g., I consider you friend, not foe. "Ally" could be used in the same way, although it should be parallel to the way subject is used. However, parallelism to the nth degree is NOT required, but preferred.
At the end of the day, C seems to be best of 5 poor choices (I think all of us could rewrite this sentence better) and perhaps ETS purposely did it this way to force us to make a value judgement. (LSAT does that all the time with CR questions).
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