Attention GMAT Takers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (very important)

Thanks for your feedback BB at least recent test takers are victims to this (including me)
and we need to write again with no specific material in hand
nonetheless
we will wait for mohter's post

Warlock,

Though I d not go with your opinion to an minor extent, I should say its because of your post , we all were made aware of the fact ! Kudos for spreading the first preview and enlightening us

your welcome
my post might be scary (the way it is written)
but for those who appeared in the meantime it should sound exactly what they must be feeling right after the test

Guys pls do not panic. When we are playing the game we have to follow the rules. If we continue on beating the bush, the result will be zero.
Lets wait for the report of Mohater and Mgmat. The report of Mgmat is expected to be released on Monday.

I gave my Gmat last year and I still remember there were at least 2 questions where I had to chose between the 2 options that involved the IDIOMS, which I had never heard. So I really welcome the omission of Idioms.
Idioms always help the Native speakers, so the omission is definitely the welcome move for the Non natives.
check out the reply of recent Gmat taker from Pakistan.
from-530-to-710-my-debrief-120774.html#p976448

Moreover, the meaning issue if over rated in this post, though I highly appreciate his efforts to share the news and I sincerely wish him good luck for the next exam. I had score of 51 in all my practice tests( except 1 gmat) including the monster tests of Mgmat, still I got 49 in the real exam. So you never know what will happen. It is all god's grace.

I m coming back to the meaning issue. Half of the things that we have learnt about SC includes the meaning issue, even though we always consider it to be grammatical.
The first rule that every gmat taker learns is the difference between the use of that/which. This difference is not grammatical issue, it is an meaning issue.
Major portion of modifier/pronoun issue touches the meaning issue.

But the originator the post does have one important concern - how the prep companies are going to combat these changes and how soon.

I wish you all good. Let's meet in the battle field of GMAT.

you got 49 in the verbal?????????????????? as we are talking about SC here

for all those who want to appear in next 1-2 months this is an area of concern
there are two possibilities
1 if this change doesn't bother you at all then please go ahead with the GMAT leaving idioms aside
2 if you consider this information useful then please share the counter strategy (thats the real motive of this post)

A quick view of his profile gives you the answer.

Thanks for the warning. I'm taking the test in few days and this helps to be careful with my expectations.

according to what i have seen he got 49 in quant that's why i asked him

the very purpose of this post was for you guys only who are taking rest in a few days
now you will not be surprised at least

the only tip i can give you is that please cross check your answer with the question stem and see if it makes sense

all the best for your test
storm it

Hi
Thanks for sharing.
Even before meaning was important. You have to think k whether the sentence is logical. This info is useful for us to pay more attention to meaning that to idioms.
But i would not exclude the possibility that on test will completely remove idioms.
Waiting for mohater's post.

Let's not rush into feeling uncomfortable yet. We will see the changes based on Mohater's report. Let's wait and don't get discourage. We are going to find a solution together, we are all trying to battle the gmat. If meaning in SC correction has become more important, then a good place to start practicing is the CR forum, where the meaning is essential to respond the questions correctly.

Hi all,

these are examples of SC related to recent changes in SC. Posted from e-GMAT.https://e-gmat.com/blogs/?p=745&utm_sour ... dium=email

G12 # 84
Correct choice – B
Incorrect But Grammatically Correct choice – C
Analysis:
Per original sentence (choice A) – Ozone is formed in the atmosphere when A and B react with sunlight.
Per Incorrect Choice C – Ozone is formed in two ways: 1) in the atmosphere and 2) when A and B react with sunlight.


OG12#115
Correct choice – C
Incorrect but Grammatically Correct choice – B
Analysis:
Per original sentence (choice A) – Gall’s hypothesis is stated – different mental functions are localized in different parts of the brain. This hypothesis is widely accepted today.
Per Incorrect Choice B – Gall has certain hypothesis about different mental functions. This hypothesis is widely accepted today. The different mental functions – about which the hypothesis is – are localized in different parts of the brains.

OG Verbal Review 2 # 52
Correct choice – B
Incorrect but Grammatically Correct choice – C
Analysis:
Per original sentence (choice A) – Certain specific mammals – Australian egg-laying mammals – are a branch of the main stem of evolution. They were not developed independently from a common ancestor.
Per Incorrect Choice C – Certain specific mammals – Australian egg-laying mammals – are a branch of the main stem of evolution. Their development was not independent of a common ancestor.

GMATPrep Question
Rejecting the apprenticeship model of training social workers in philanthropic agencies, twentieth-century reformer Edith Abbott was convinced of social work education belonging in the university so that students could be offered a broad range of courses dealing with social issues.
Correct choice – D
Incorrect but Grammatically Correct choice – B
Analysis:
Per original sentence (choice A) - Edith Abbott rejected the apprenticeship model of training social workers. He believed in the idea of teaching social work in universities. This will enable offering to the students a broad range of courses dealing with social issues.
Per Incorrect Choice B – This sentence presents two independent things that Edith Abbott was convinced of. 1) That social work education should be in the university. 2) That students could be offered a broad range of courses. These two ideas are no longer connected as they were in the original sentence.

Here is some more info and background: https://www.knewton.com/blog/gmat/2011/0 ... ep-summit/


It is not focusing as much on the SC and idioms however. What I heard from Mohater is that the SC idiom impact may have been incorrectly interpreted by the first feedback received from the conference (including MGMAT blog post) but let's see what else surfaces.

Hey Guys!

Glad to see so much feedback on our blog article! I wanted to give you all a head's up that the second article has now been posted: https://www.manhattangmat.com/blog/index ... -the-gmac/

Looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts.

Best,
Caitlin

Hi, guys

As you can see, Caitlin just posted the link to our longer article.

Re: the meaning stuff, there are already examples of this in OG; meaning has always been one of the major issues. They've been changing the proportion of questions that test this, that's all. Someone who has focused 90% on grammar and only 10% on meaning is going to find the official test a lot tougher because that person hasn't focused enough on the meaning issue - and that issue is more prevalent on the real test now.

Re: the idiom stuff, I spoke directly with Larry* myself and he specifically said that (a) they want to get rid of idioms entirely, and (b) he "hopes" they're gone already, though he doesn't know whether that's actually the case, because it takes time to "scrub" all of the existing questions. This conversation occurred after the conference at the reception; two of my colleagues were with me, but I'm not sure who else from other companies was still around to hear. I can imagine that any attendees who weren't still there are now thinking, "Wait, he didn't say all of that during the conference!" That's true... he said it that evening at the reception.

My guess is that there probably are still some idiom Qs in the pool - and I also distinguish between two kinds of idioms in my longer blog post (see link from Caitlin above). The types of idioms that can still interfere with meaning... maybe they'll keep those.

*Larry is the VP of R&D and Chief Psychometrician of GMAC. Also, he said that they are getting rid of idioms specifically because they think idioms artificially penalize non-native speakers, and they don't want to do that - it's not fair.

Thanks Stacy and Caitlin.

It has always been a pleasure to read your articles and replies on the questions posted by the users.
I wish to see you more active and helping us here as well.

PS: ( I m a big fan of you and Ron )


I request all the Gmat takers to consider this a welcome move and to continue with their studies with full passion.
Good luck.

We've been getting a lot of panicked messages about this new development and we urge that don't stress out too much. Just be aware of the announcement but also recognize that much of this could be to your benefit.

5 New Changes to GMAT Exam You Need To Know
https://www.gmatpill.com/about/5-gmat-exam/

Most of the changes were in the SC section--but they weren't really anything drastically different.

With SC - there could be multiple answer choices that are grammatically correct--but only one that does not alter the meaning of the original sentence.

Well, we've always been advising students to look at SC questions from 2 angles:
1) STRUCTURE
2) MEANING

Both must work.

For those who only look at STRUCTURE and fail to consider MEANING--well, you guys better start changing your approach. But for us here at GMATPill, it doesn't really change too much.

As for the phasing out of idioms--this is actually a GOOD thing---especially for non-native English speakers. Cultural references are unfair and I'm glad to hear about this. I actually saw this was already happening for many years so the announcement was not too much of a change--just further awareness about this development.

So before you get too panicked about this---look at the positives. The new approach is more realistic in many ways since it mimicks the process that a journalistic editor would go through when editing a sentence but not changing its original meaning.

The bigger changes come in June 2012 when the Integrated Reasoning section comes out and the new OG13 comes out in April 2012.

So be aware of the announcement and recognize how it can be beneficial for you. Hope that helps.

It was interesting to read the comments in the discussion. I just want to add my 2 cents .

I feel when GMAC says it is getting away with idioms, it refers to pure idioms such as "making do", "even as", "divided over" etc. I doubt there would be changes with respect to correct prepositional usage. (forbid to vs forbid from ; mistook for vs mistook with). I think we still need to know these things.

With regards to meaning, well i try to remember the rule outlined in MGMAT SC guide : First Grammar, then Meaning, then Concision.

I hope some of the test training companies come up with a set of sample questions as a practice for the SC questions based on meaning.

Crick

I have just posted 27 questions from the OG10 that deal with changes in meaning.

27-og10-question-on-altered-intent-changes-in-meaning-120871.html