Is a > |b|? (1) 2^(a - b) > 16 (2) |a b| < b

C
statement 1, depending on whether a is positive or negative
statement 2, tell us that a is negative
so both together are sufficient.

Im having troubles with absolute value, im never sure if I considered all the options. Let me try:

Statement 1:
\(2^{a-b} > 16\) can be rewritten as \(2^{a-b} > 2^4\). This means a-b must be > 4 in order to be true. Therefore a > 4 + b. However if B is negative, e.g. -10 and a is 3, the statement 1 is still true but it changes the answer to the question. Statement 1 = Insufficient.

Statement 2
Shows us that a-b<b and a+b<b because of the absolute values. Change the latter and you arrive at a<0. All this on it's own doesn't help. Insufficient.

Combined:
a > 4 + b
a<0

Plug in: a = -10 and b -15 > Is \(a > |b|?\) > NO


Sufficient if you combine it.

Dear katzzzz

Please elaborate how you inferred from Statement 2 that a is negative.

Best Regards

Japinder

Dear reto

The key to getting comfortable with Absolute Value questions is:

1. Understanding what Absolute Value means in the first place. We should not try to solve questions just by applying formulae without understanding why we are doing what we are doing. For example, in an expression |something| < c, why do we FLIP the sign of inequality and put a - sign before c when the 'something' is negative? You should feel confident about the logic behind this.

2. When you practice Absolute Value questions, do them step-by-step. DO NOT try to skip steps or do calculations in the air. This leads to mistakes that could have been easily avoided if we were writing each step down. Keeping this in mind, would you want to give the red part in your solution another try?

Hope you found this discussion useful!

Best Regards

Japinder

one correction katzzzz,
if statement 2, tells you that a is negative ; then a > |b| should be sufficient ? absolute value of any |xyz| is non-negative (can be 0 or >0 )

BTW, there is one more piece of information in stmt 2 (not much useful in this context , maybe) but good to know

\(|a–b|<b\)
it tells us that b is non negative \(b > |absolute|\)

Hello Japinder

Thanks for your comments. It's always nice to experience this spirit here on gmatclub.com (people helping each other). Im honest, yesterday I had to reread some theory about absolut value before I could start to solve your questions. Im still in the early stages of my preperation.

Okay, the red part:

a-b<b This is correct, rewrite as a<2b
a+b<b Wow that's ugly, for the negative scenario the term needs to look like this with flipped sign: a-b > -b, which then translates into a>0

All in all Statement 2 tells us:
b > |a-b| this means, that b is 0 or positive right? That's what I should have discovered at first!
a<2b
a>0

Is it that what you were missing in my remarks? If I now combine everything:

From Statement 1
a>4+b

From Statement 2
a>0 this is useless in combination with St. 1
a<2b this is useless in combination with St. 1
The most important is to see that b is 0 or positive. Combined with statement 1 then it will be sufficient.

Any Remarks? Thx

Hii
Here is my approach

Statement 1 gives a-b>4
a> b+4. Now putting values of b as +2 we get a=6
In this case ans to thw ques is yes
Now put b= -5 then a= -1.
In this case ans is no.

Statement 1 insufficient


Statement 2 |a-b|<b

We can infer b is positive since b > positive value

|a-b| is always positive

Now on a number line |a-b| means distance between a and b

We inferred b is positive
So following 2 cases are possible on number line
Case1
<----------0--------a------b-------->
In this case ans to the ques is No

Case 2
<---------0-----------b------a------>
In this case ans to the ques is Yes

Hence statement 2 is also insufficient


Combining 1+2
we are left with only the case 2 which I mentioned above on number line as statement 1 gives a>b hence case 1 is eliminated.
From case 2 on number line we get a definite Yes


Hence C

Regards
Abhishek

Hi EGMAT ,

First of all , Thanks for this question ; Solving this helped me realizing the concepts of Inequalities

Please correct me if I am wrong



Is a>|b|?

OPTION A :
2^(a−b)>16
Solving :

2^(a-b) > 2^4

so , (a-b) > 4= a>b+4


So , this can take multiple values and as such is NOT SUFFICIENT

OPTION B :
|a–b|<b

case 1 : (a - b) < b
a < 2b

case 2 : -(a - b) < b
-a < 0


Clearly NOT SUFFICIENT
Also we have b as non-negative as b > |some absolute value|


combining both 1 & 2

a >b+4 ;
b>=0


Ans C

We can solve using both the options together

Here I guess it does not make much difference but still want to put up that we cannot say b is non negative in statement 2.

B has to be positive
I agree |a-b| can be equal to zero when a is equal to b
But we are given that b>|a-b| so even if RHS here is zero, b has to be greater than zero which follows b cannot be equal to zero and hence b cannot be inferred as non negative as this will include b=0.

Dear UJs

Yes, when we multiply both sides of an inequality with a negative number (like -1 here), the sign of inequality always flips.

So, in Case 2,
The inequality -a < 0 becomes a > 0 . . . (1)

Now, what was the defining condition of Case 2? That a - b < 0 (that is why you wrote |a-b| = -(a-b) in this case)
That is, a < b . . . (2)

By combining Inequalities 1 and 2, you get that in Case 2,

0 < a < b

Since from this inequality, it is clear that b is positive, |b| = b.

So, the answer to the question 'is a > |b|' will be NO in this case.

In Case 1,
The defining condition was a - b >= 0 (that is why you wrote |a-b| = a-b in Case 1)

That is, a > = b . . . (1')

Then, by processing the inequality |a-b| < b for this case, you got a < 2b . . . (2')

By combining inequalities 1' and 2' we get:

b =< a < 2b

Again, since b is positive, |b| = b

So, in this case, the answer to the question 'is a > |b|' will be YES (if a ≠ b) or NO (if a = b).

Since we're not able to get a unique YES/NO answer from St. 2, this statement is not sufficient.

Hope this helped!

Best Regards

Japinder

Dear reto

2 remarks, both pertaining to Statement 2 analysis:

1. Please look at the highlighted part. The correct statement would be:

|a-b| can be positive or 0.

Since b > |a-b|, this means b will be strictly greater than 0.


2. When you are considering different cases, always remember to also consider the defining conditions of those cases.

Let me explain what I mean:

Look at the pink line in the quote above. This is your case 1. What is the defining condition of Case 1? That a - b ≥ 0 (this is why you wrote |a-b| = a - b)

So, a ≥ b

So, you should combine the inequality you obtained from the pink line with this inequality to get:

b ≤ a < 2b

This can also be written as |b| ≤ a < 2b (|b| = b since b is positive)

Looking at this inequality, you can say that the answer to 'Is a > |b|' is YES (if a ≠ b) or NO (if a = b)

Now, look at the orange line in the quote above.

You are absolutely right in the way you processed the negative scenario, but remember to also consider that the defining condition of this case is that a - b < 0, that is, a < b

Therefore, the overall inequality that will result in this case will be:

0 < a < b.

This can also be written as 0 < a < |b| (|b| = b since b is positive)

Looking at this inequality, you can say that the answer to 'Is a > |b|' is NO

Since we do not get a unique YES/NO answer from St. 2, it is not sufficient.

Look at the blue part in the quote above. I hope that you are now able to see that the 2 cases of St. 2 felt useless in combination with St. 1 only because you did not take the defining conditions of the 2 cases into consideration.

Best Regards

Japinder

If we will put the value of a as 7 and b as 5 then also it satisfies the equation. so how we determine a as negative.

How does -2 and -6 satisfy the inequality? -2 - (-6) =4, 4 is not > 4.

Could someone please elaborate why my chain of thoughts is incorrect for statement 2?

I was able to eliminate statement 1 as Insuffcieint. but I marked statement 2 as Sufficient for the following reasons

l a - b l < b

Hence
- b < a - b < b
Add b to all parts
0 < a < 2b

Hence, A and B are both positives. and
2b > b > a
Since B and A are both positives, the statement will always be No, a is not bigger than lbl

Absolute Value of any number means, the distance of that number from zero without the sign => The value is positive.
=> |b| means the value will be positive.

a > |b|
=> We need to be see if a > 0 and it's also greater than b.



1) \(2^{a-b}\) > 16
=> a > b + 4
b = 1, a = 5 => a > |b|
b = -3, a = 1 => a < |b|

Insufficient.

2) |a-b| < b
|a - b| means the value will be positive.
This means that b > 0 but we have no information about a.

Insufficient.



From S1 -> a > b + 4
From S2 -> b > 0

=> a > |b|

Sufficient. C is the answer.

hi Harshani

can you explain how you arrived at the highlighted part? As per your working you only got 0<a<2b but this statement does not provide relation between a & b

so if a=3 and b=2 then 3<4 but 3>2 i.e a<2b but a>b

and if a=1 b=2 then a<b<2b

Here's my reasoning. If I made a mistake please let me know.

The stem is asking if 1) a is positive and 2) a is greater than b.

Statement 1) 16 = \(2^4\). we can then set \(a-b > 4\). This is sadly inconclusive because a can be negative in this case and b can be a large positive number. A can also be positive and larger than b.

For example: a = -2, b = -100. This gives us -2 - (-100) = 98 > 4. Here -2 < 100. However if we did a = 50 and b = 10. We get 50 > 10 -> a>b.

Statement 2) You can create two equations here or you can plug in values. Let's take a = 50 and b = 100. 50-100 = 50 < 100 in this case a < b.

However we can do a = 5 and b = 4 to get 1 < 4. In this case a > b.

Combing both statements we can add the inequalities together.

a-b>4 + b>a-b = a > 4 + a - b = b > 4.

If b > 4 that means b MUST be positive. Going back to our original equation from statement 1 -> a-b > 4. If b is positive then that means a must be also positive and greater than b by a value of 4. If a = 5 then 5 -4 is not greater then 4. However, 9 - 4 > 4, so 9 > 4.

Conclusion:

A is always greater than B